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jazzy939
post Jun 20 2006, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Kabadi84 @ Jun 15 2006, 07:43 AM)
hahahahah long live miat ...everybody instrested in joining this exiting job due send ur resume to airasia they are searching for trainess for their tame programme heheheheh their big boss for training is from miat and he is one of the master in avionic huhuhhuhuhuh
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minor correction.
one of MIAT's instructor is now with AirAsia Academy, also as a technical instructor. Not 'bigboss' k.

Yes, AirAsia is looking for trainees now, they advertised awhile back. Anyone interested, better send your application now.
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post Jun 20 2006, 08:51 PM

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[/quote]miat is an approved training org for long time oredi. remember the dinner+disco in the hangar during the handover ceremony? is it 2004? it's written in the guest book that miat is an approved org complete with the dca approval number!:peace:
that's y i dun care what ppl said about miat...they know nothing rolleyes.gif

pls dun flame up this thread, just put up the right info guys.
edited: specially for skylinestar;)
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This is the current situation: for the last three (3)years, MIAT students/graduates are no longer accepted by DCA Malaysia. Their training programme does not satisfy the DCA minimum qualifications. MIAT graduates needs get the proper training/exposure and hands-on experience with other recognised establishment like MAS, APR etc before qualifying to sit for LWTR examinations. But for the earlier batches, they were ok and approved.

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Skylinestar,

For what it's worth, your statement with regards to training and requirements to qualify for DCA license is correct.

Other remarks with regards to MIAT, MAS and LAE job with MAS, I reserve my comments.

Regards.




QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 24 2006, 01:29 PM)
MAS is the last/worst company to work with but it'll be the first company you neeed to start with in the aviation industry involving civil aircraft.

since DCA is going EASA, so i'll talk about the law. EASA Part 66: Licensing.

if you have working experience with live aircraft for minimum of 5 yrs, or:

if you have working experience with live aircraft and proper training from an aviation industry (like MAS) for minimum of 3 yrs, or:

if you have working experience with live aircraft and training under Part 147 (Approved Training School*) for minimum of 2 yrs,.........

*MIAT is NOT an approved school.

..........you can apply for the B1 or B2 license, aka LWTR.


i wish all MIAT students will study hard and get their license. May god be with you.
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post Jun 20 2006, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(ahaw @ Jun 20 2006, 08:51 PM)
apr?.... hmmmm... they are same level like mas trainee huh  ohmy.gif
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APR has agreement with MAS to use MAS facilities for hands-on training which is mandatory.

APR owner is an ex-DCA surveyor. He knows the requirements!


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post Jun 21 2006, 08:35 AM

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I merely quote 2 organisations that have the necessary setup for License Aircraft Engineers training. MAS goes without saying as they are the airline. APR is privately owned. AirAsia is about to start they apprenticeship training. Who else is doing it?


QUOTE(ahaw @ Jun 21 2006, 12:11 AM)
@jazzy939:from your words it seems only mas and apr that know how follow the requirements.... hmmmm..... correct me if i'm wrong

@Lestat: yes... one flur huhuhu got experience with powerplant class with him

get yourself a type rating + 7 years experience than can apply for the position (from what i heard they had man power constraint) .... thats what mr. gan klass q.a said
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post Jun 26 2006, 07:29 PM

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toda,
the whole (engineering) setup in subang and klia are the maintenance centre!
there are base maintenance, line maintenance, ASU ( apron service units) various support workshops etc. you have to be specific. then again there is also the MAA, MAS Academy.

If you do not know who, just call the general number and hopefully the operator can get you connected to the right person/department.

yes, it is true. regardless of what you have (diploma/degree etc) when come to aircraft maintenance, you need to start from beginning as you do not have the necessary skills/hands on training on 'live' aircraft. by now you must be aware that its a mandatory requirement and valid for all regulatory body that issues maintenance license.



QUOTE(toda6866 @ Jun 26 2006, 03:33 PM)
I was searching for contact numbers for MAS repair centre or related departments(mayb engineering/aircraft maintenance) n I stumbled upon this thread....

while reading through, n being an graduated mech. engineer myself feels tempted to join the flight not as a pilot but the aircraft engineer....... Ironically, after i read the part that decribes all the lengthy process n have start all over again, already shut off my steam valve.......

$$$ + respects, I can only blame myself making a wrong decision in the past, now pack that up n life continues.... its Monday again today  whistling.gif
p/s: btw, I need a lil help here, can anyone tell me the contact number or person for aircraft maintenance/repair centre?
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post Jun 27 2006, 09:43 PM

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no worries teddie,

MH academy and MIAT does not use the same syllabus! that's why. MH is using the Section L of the BCAR required by the DCA. While MIAT,after they want to get the acredition from LAN... is using 'other than Section L of the BCAR' . That is why, as mentioned earlier in this thread, MIAT graduates are deemed not qualified to sit for the DCA's LWTR examination until they get their hands on training on real live aircraft....2 years at least.

With MH academy, at the end of that 5 years, you WILL be a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer employed by MAS, with one aircraft type rating minimum.

With MIAT, you'll get the Diploma in Aviation Maintenance ( I think ) and thats about it.


QUOTE(teddie @ Jun 26 2006, 07:52 PM)
sorry for my ignorance, i got some inquiry. well, why MH academy takes 5 years to complete the syllabus meanwhile MIAT does only take 3 years for the course?  How much allowance they paid when your training period(MH).
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post Jun 28 2006, 08:45 PM

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Not at all toda. Glad to be of help.

Understood. Even if you don't get your hands 'dirty' what is required is you to be current with your trade. smile.gif

QUOTE(toda6866 @ Jun 28 2006, 01:04 PM)
tahnks for the helpful reply jazzy & lestat....actually, my current job also requires hands-on in the begining, but now not so much as im working in the exec. lvl already

i really dun mind my hands dirty jz for u to know, coz theres a thing called degreasing soap aka SODA...........heheh
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post Jun 28 2006, 08:54 PM

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Lestat,
Yes, there are a need for graduate engineers in the aviation industry. Not directly with aircraft maintenance but more on the support functions, name Technical Services. Technical services provides support when deviations are required where the specific approved manual does not cover a repair which is out of the normal limits.... Technical Services normally would liase with the manufacturer of the aircraft or vendor of the specific components and also the regulatory bodies to get approval which is outside the normal scope of maintenance.

GA (General Aviation) is another interesting market. A lot of prospects with few qualified people to go around... Big piece of cake with few people to share... whistling.gif

Great.. LWTR is the way to go the next step.. wish you all the best!


QUOTE(Lestat @ Jun 28 2006, 04:46 AM)
i believe mech eng. is valuable in aviation maintenance. say, your kind is needed in modification department. i dont have much experience in airliners coz i involved only in general aviation (heli, private jet) n im still new tongue.gif. just get anywhere within maintenance/engineering side of aviation n get your hand dirty a bit (work with aircraft, not at desk or workshop), then after 5 yrs go for lwtr icon_rolleyes.gif

that's the way i can see it...for now. taiko2 pls add also.. stil cant find any aircraft taiko in here yet..sweat.gif
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post Jun 28 2006, 09:02 PM

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lestat,
from what I heard last, there's about 100 students ex-MIAT whose application to sit for the DCA's LWTR exam where put on hold. This is because the DCA need to relook into their syllabus again. Probably teh DCA has decided that they can accept whatever MIAT is doing right now or these were the earlier batch NOT affected by the change when MIAT get their LAN recognition. I got these info from MIAT's ex-program director himself. I will get the latest update on these and update the forumers here. smile.gif If I am wrong, then I am wrong. My apologies.

QUOTE(Lestat @ Jun 28 2006, 04:31 AM)
may i ADD some more info. i had to repeat this again, early his year, for the first time, MIAT students had sat for LWTR a few months after they grad. so u are wrong, jazzy. why? how? refer AN no 85. you are right tho that MAS and MIAT didnt use the same syllabus. they're almost tongue.gif

there are some difference between maintenance repair organization (MRO) and maintenance training organization(MTO). MAS, AA-> MRO. MIAT->MTO. ordinary people with zero knowledge of aircraft require 5 yrs experience before they can sit for LWTR. ordinary people with zero knowledge on aircraft who goes to MTO approved by DCA can sit after he finish his 3rd year. in miat, lwtr is your choice to take or not. at the end, u stil got dip. with MAS, jazzy has explained.
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If you are applying for AK's apprenticeship programme, I wanna wish you all the best! I don't see anything wrong with that.
The bond I would reckon no less that 5 years. During my time with MAS awhile back, it was 10 years! tongue.gif



QUOTE(teddie @ Jun 27 2006, 11:17 PM)
thanks alot, hope that AK's sponsorship will be a wise choice to me. Wondering how many years bond do they required  smile.gif
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post Jun 29 2006, 08:54 PM

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Guys,
An update on MIAT graduates status.
I wish to confirm that now MIAT graduates are eligible to sit for DCA's LWTR examinations. DCA have conducted an audit to re-evaluate MIAT's syllabus which was found to inline with DCA's minimum requirements.

The previous batch, out of about 100, only about 42 applied and sit for the exams. Some even passed on first sitting, which is GOOD! Congrats guys!. The balance, I have no idea what happened to them. What I heard they were 'afraid' to go through DCA....

If you are one of the guys.. please give it a shot, what have you got to loose? The industry is really short of Licensed Aircraft Engineers. BTW,Licensed Aircraft Engineers are better paid than graduate engineers.... biggrin.gif



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Technical Services or 'some' management position. MAS takes in degree holders in any disiplin for their management trainee positions.



QUOTE(aLthaLus @ Jun 30 2006, 02:26 PM)
guys, if i have a degree in mech,

wat r my options to go into aviation industry, particularly aircraft engineering witout startin rght from the beginnin ?

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post Jun 30 2006, 04:57 PM

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Don't forget Eurocopter! They do employ graduate engineers too!
I am not denying other opportunities for graduate engineers. These are also specialised field and suitable for non-licensed engineers.

As far as worrying the status, I don't. I merely corrected my earlier statements with regards to MIAT graduates after making further enquiries direct to MIAT.

As far as MAS's MSS is concerned, the impact on engineering and flight operations are minimal. These are the heart of any airlines, surely MAS is not dumb enough to chop off staff from here although there are some 'overstaffing' in some departments. It is the support functions (clerical, finance, HR etc)that they are trying to minimised.

Whatever it is, it is your future. You decide which path you want to take. We are here to explain to you what are available and what we have gone through.

Anyway, good luck in your exam.

QUOTE(ahaw @ Jun 29 2006, 11:45 PM)
the balance not afraid... it just some of they already make their decision not to continue as aircraft engineer... but to prove others that what our diploma can do in various field (like NDT area e.g airfoil and avionics wokshop e.g honeywell and the other one, plus some work with airod and bla bla bla)

dont worry about miat status, lets the student and ex student worried about that, for me in this industry when you start is not the main problem, either in young age or late in the middle 30's. dont make it as an excuse not to do it (there are some mas trainee engg. who still not establish as an engg. even though already in the program for more than 5 years!) as jazzy939 wrote... there are some miat students that pass the exam in one sit! thats amazing for un experience claimed student to pass the exam in one sit! hmmmm.... if they can, you also can do it toda6866 ;p

where you start is not a problem... either with airlines trng school or an un approved claimed instituition.... at least one of your foot already in the industry....  but for me one major advantage to go for your diploma first is things like MAS MSS can happen again with no doubt.... at least with ya diploma cert ya can apply to go for others fields (like what i explain before.....) airline industries in m'sia is like pure aluminum, its hard but fragile, alloying it will add it strength!

untill next time- got an exam tomorrow

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No lah dude... but I got friends working there. License and graduate engineers.
I wish I had rotary wing coverage. They pay quite well!

Come to think of it, I got friends everywhere! biggrin.gif How 'small' the aviation world is... hehe.


QUOTE(Lestat @ Jun 30 2006, 08:21 PM)
anybody is welcome to join aviation industry with whatever certification u got. technical services is one of the best way to join if u new to aviation coz u'll learn a lot about rules, process,etc..

jazzy dude, u work with eurocopter?
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yes, screening is done for good reasons too! not hr alone, the departmental head usually have strict requirements when new staff are employed. No headaches later biggrin.gif

on top of having qualified for the job, they also want to find out about your attitude. Your previous employer, friends may be contacted to see if you are the 'right' stuff. Thats why they pay you well...



QUOTE(ahaw @ Jun 30 2006, 08:29 PM)
hmm... eurocopter same like air asia, GE and some others company... their hr really good in screening process..... they dont simply employ new graduates or spm holder as technichal stuff.... but lucky enough some of my juniors already been approached by them (eurocopter) while they working with their practikal.... hmmmm rezki masing2

and yes how 'small' the aviation world is...
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yes I do.
They're still looking to fill up about 12 places for the first intake...

QUOTE(teddie @ Jul 19 2006, 06:21 AM)
do anyone here has the latest information about AK's trainee programme?
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My best guess is, only shortlisted candidates will be called for an interview. I heard A LOT have applied, surely they want the best. Besides good academic qualifications, the candidates must have the right 'attitude'.. this is where most candidates might 'fail'.....

So far they have not called anyone yet.. I think August is their dateline.

Good luck to you and all the best!

QUOTE(teddie @ Jul 21 2006, 02:21 PM)
do they called you for interview? I'm still waiting their letter.

thanks ahaw
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Well, you definitely can! But the problem/decision is with the higher management, in this case, the Director of Engineering and the engineering manager who is in charge of training. If you can get hold of any of this two person, then they may shed some light on this. They started awhile back around May, now its almost august....

QUOTE(teddie @ Jul 21 2006, 08:58 PM)
they only reply me by sending me email at the next day that i sent my application:-
well, should I give them a call for enquiry?
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teddie,
an update on this. I just got word is that they(AA) will be calling the candidates between 5-6 august for an aptitude test. btw, 400 applied! 'passing' the test, you would be called for an interview before being finally shortlisted for final selection!

cross your fingers dude! all the best! biggrin.gif


QUOTE(teddie @ Jul 22 2006, 06:22 AM)
i should be patience i think  smile.gif
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