English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, GATHERING- 13th Jan,7.30pm at Bar Tres
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 Dec 23 2012, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Dec 23 2012, 03:13 PM) Added on December 23, 2012, 2:10 pm he's better than borini with the identical price tag atleast  We also overpayed for Borini as well. Borini should be in the region of 4-5 million. Added on December 23, 2012, 4:02 pmBut, I'll take whoever we can get our hands on at the moment. This post has been edited by lerijiso: Dec 23 2012, 04:02 PM |
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Dec 23 2012, 04:15 PM
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i can see the differences from RH > KD > BR.. look at the players finding space to collect the passes compared to previous season. Even Downing understand now how to find space and pass it asap if its needed. I never missed any match this season all i can see is improvement, just matter of time and we need to get the right players. Not nonsense stats proven. I honestly think BR is building a philosophy so all the young players could follow and get home grown players instead of buying players. Rafa did that but unfortunately he didnt stay long enough but it benefited BR.
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Dec 23 2012, 04:39 PM
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downing was something else in last night game.. hope he keep performing to justify BR faith in him... and his crazy transfer fees.
apart from that, finishing is what makes the difference.. 5 points apart.. we are getting closer.. |
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Dec 23 2012, 04:53 PM
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I mentioned before the game that we needed to field the most attacking line up and credit to br for doing just that.it was exactly the same as I felt we should except downing for sterling.
we have so many pass sideways players.Lucas,Allen and henderson.if everyone is gonna play it safe,then who is going to make the risky but creative passes? isn't that why we suffered after xabi left?we can only have one of lucas,Allen and hendo in the team.having 2 will be redundant.only Lucas should play.the other two midfield slot should go to stevie,sahin,suso and shelvey. to make it clear,I prefer two attacking and one defensive midfielder compared to two defensive and one attacking.especially at home and against "weaker" teams |
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Dec 23 2012, 05:26 PM
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Dec 23 2012, 05:35 PM
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I don't think Allen or anyone else should be slated for not performing. except if they are like Joe Cole where he barely contributes.
Allen is a good player suffering a dip in form. I believe different game needs different players. Not many players can perform consistently forever. Downing is starting to show some form perhaps because he did not complain even when he is asked to play LB. I feel the extra defensive duties given to him previously helped him to be better. Overall, Liverpool played almost as usual but better at the final third compared to other games. Although Fulham was crap for 80 minutes or so.  Good big win to build the confidence. Hope to see more of such win. |
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Dec 23 2012, 06:15 PM
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on the ongoing saga about the transfer target(s) sturridge, Ince..
I find blackpoolfc are really bugger k*nts. Thomas Ince was only there for like a year & a half, a player we developed at the academy. Granted we lost him due to differences/saga thanks to RH brand of football. Now they (blackpoolfc) wants more money, as if they didnt get windfall when we bought adams.  < and don't blame us themselves relegated.  |
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Dec 23 2012, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Dec 23 2012, 06:15 PM) on the ongoing saga about the transfer target(s) sturridge, Ince.. My thoughts exactly. They basically bought the player, repackage and then try to sell back to us with a 1000% mark up. Makes me pissed thinking about it. I find blackpoolfc are really bugger k*nts. Thomas Ince was only there for like a year & a half, a player we developed at the academy. Granted we lost him due to differences/saga thanks to RH brand of football. Now they (blackpoolfc) wants more money, as if they didnt get windfall when we bought adams. < and don't blame us themselves relegated.  |
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Dec 23 2012, 06:43 PM
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A player that can dribble, take on defenders, a bag full of tricks, won't hesitant to take a shot, make timely run into the box, with sufficient pace and acceleration, can smell a opportunity for goal and most important yound and still developing...isnt this type of players we really need to strengthen and inproves the depth of our squad??
As such, it really puzzle me that Dan Sturridge receive such lukewarm response..granted he is not a finished article, or he is still unproven..but myself is really excited - a young and upcoming striker chose Liverpool instead of others - its bound to be a good news... Ydda yaddaaa, we signed too many turkeys, especially brits...they are overrated...but with sturridge, i am actually optimistic - when this guy plays, he have a sense of arrogance, unfaze, and dont care - about other defender attitude, which i really like. He is like Suarez, just wana play and with a touch of flamboyance. Cant recall we have this type of player for a striker for a long time - since keegan, or collymore...probably fowler...And yes, there are similarity btn Suarez and Sturridge...but hey both start with capital S, if it means Score and Score...i'd take it..similar or dissimilar. Now we have our SS army, twin terror, altho i'd be hard press now..where does borini fits in then? Guess only time will tell...Cant wait for Suarez+Sturridge combo..really! |
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Dec 23 2012, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Dec 23 2012, 06:15 PM) on the ongoing saga about the transfer target(s) sturridge, Ince.. I find blackpoolfc are really bugger k*nts. Thomas Ince was only there for like a year & a half, a player we developed at the academy. Granted we lost him due to differences/saga thanks to RH brand of football. Now they (blackpoolfc) wants more money, as if they didnt get windfall when we bought adams. < and don't blame us themselves relegated. QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 23 2012, 06:19 PM) My thoughts exactly. They basically bought the player, repackage and then try to sell back to us with a 1000% mark up. Makes me pissed thinking about it. That's because of few factors:1. They owe us 35% sell on sale for Ince. That's why they want to sell us at higher price so that they get the price they wanted even after the 35% clause 2. They owe a bit to Ian Holloway too... I remembering Ian said in his contract he gets too a % of sell off sale. Like he did get from Adam deal. For player he bought and developed, he get a % from the sale. Granted now he left Blackpool but I guess the clause still in force. Thus, MAYBE he will be getting some $ too.  |
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Dec 23 2012, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Dec 23 2012, 06:15 PM) on the ongoing saga about the transfer target(s) sturridge, Ince.. they can play hardball now..but if we wait & patient, we can get Ince for free in the summer..i think blackpool will bow out to our demands or they will loose big timeI find blackpoolfc are really bugger k*nts. Thomas Ince was only there for like a year & a half, a player we developed at the academy. Granted we lost him due to differences/saga thanks to RH brand of football. Now they (blackpoolfc) wants more money, as if they didnt get windfall when we bought adams. < and don't blame us themselves relegated. |
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Dec 23 2012, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Dec 23 2012, 04:53 PM) I mentioned before the game that we needed to field the most attacking line up and credit to br for doing just that.it was exactly the same as I felt we should except downing for sterling. i agree with..we only can pick one from hendo/lucas/allen..no point play lucas & allen.both almost play the same way. 2 holding midfielder must have two type of play.one is the creater(alonso/gerrard) & another one is destroyer (lucas/macherano)..we have so many pass sideways players.Lucas,Allen and henderson.if everyone is gonna play it safe,then who is going to make the risky but creative passes? isn't that why we suffered after xabi left?we can only have one of lucas,Allen and hendo in the team.having 2 will be redundant.only Lucas should play.the other two midfield slot should go to stevie,sahin,suso and shelvey. to make it clear,I prefer two attacking and one defensive midfielder compared to two defensive and one attacking.especially at home and against "weaker" teams |
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Dec 23 2012, 08:06 PM
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Funny guys, I rate Allen highly. I love to see his simple & tidy football. Who dare to criticize him?
 In b4, I do rate Downing highly too after his first match with Liverpool. After that, he become ayam liao...  |
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Dec 23 2012, 10:22 PM
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That was a very much needed win, after last week's debacle - a great morale booster that serves as an encouragement, and nothing else!
I hope BR won't start talking about moving up the table, catching the top 2 or 3 or whatever...again! Our players should keep their feet firmly on the ground in view of the coming matches through the festive period. If we go into this period level-headed, steeled for very tough games and respecting each and every opponent, then we may have reasons to be cautiously optimistic. No reason to slate Joe Allen. He's a good player for us and just need a little rest. Downing is skilful and his problem is something else. Being dropped from the first team, being warned by the boss and the prospect of having to be sold seemed to have fired him up a little. I feel that the inflated prices paid for Henderson and Downing affected their mentality and performances, whereas Charlie Adams was just not good enough. Hence it was a bad feeling of deja vu when I heard about the 12m price tag for Sturridge..haihzzz ..and how much for Ince?! I'll just pay 8m for both...max! This post has been edited by RedSiglap56: Dec 23 2012, 10:23 PM |
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Dec 23 2012, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Dec 23 2012, 07:31 PM) i agree with..we only can pick one from hendo/lucas/allen..no point play lucas & allen.both almost play the same way. 2 holding midfielder must have two type of play.one is the creater(alonso/gerrard) & another one is destroyer (lucas/macherano).. It really depends on who we are up against. Against stronger opponents I'm sure BR wants us to contain and keep possession as much as possible so he might just go with Allen + Lucas. Think it's unfair to say that yesterday's big win was down to Allen not playing. We did win 5-2 and 3-0 when Allen was playing too, remember? |
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Dec 23 2012, 10:33 PM
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media keep saying sturridge undergoing medical but still no leak pic
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Dec 23 2012, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Dec 23 2012, 01:47 PM) it is normal to medical before sign right? first time seeing this bro/dude/miss? |
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Dec 23 2012, 11:48 PM
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Daniel Sturridge is expected to get the number '9' shirt.
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Dec 23 2012, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Dec 23 2012, 11:48 PM) Daniel Sturridge is expected to get the number '9' shirt. We are doomed !  |
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Dec 23 2012, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(slow_kidz @ Dec 23 2012, 01:13 PM) Allen had played so well in his first few games. He had been outstanding, winning back the ball, tracking opponent midfield players. I love to see him play that time. But when Lucas is back, and BR played both of them together as the holding/def midfileder, plus 1 attacking midfielder which is Stevie, the midfield area look crowded & dull(while there only Suarez at the top alone), if you know what i mean. Finally something more insightful, but then again, it's perception. Nevertheless, appreciate the effort Lucas and Allen play quite the same part in the team, and Lucas look better because he had been playing as def midfield for Liverpool longer although both of them played as AM before they join us. Lucas has better experience in that def area, his positioning skill is better, he tackles better. BR tried to give him(Allen) free midfield role for last few games, but Allen the Welsh Xavi is not that creative so far, that is why he seems clueless, giving the ball away, and doing simple passing not creating any chances for us. It is so different yesterday where Lucas played as DM, Gerrard as AM and Shelvey + Suarez played as CF. Guess who has Allen position? Its Suso. We play more open, all over the field with support of Downing, Enrique, and the creativity of Suso. We create more clear chances. I still hope Allen can show his creativity side like when he play for Swansea, maybe he need some times. -AmmoShaf(my own account has been banned for 7days, using friend acc)   QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 23 2012, 02:14 PM) He isn't everyone's cup of tea and yet he does what Rodgers wants him to do well - keep possession. He shows passion on the pitch and that deserves some respect at least. For a small lad, he has plenty of fire in him. Against Everton, he was often outmuscled, but he never backed down. Like Lucas before him, he has had to play in an unfamiliar role for much of the season, something critics don't often consider. He may pass sideways a lot but how else do you move opposition defenders about the pitch? Doesn't Xavi do the same for Barca? Only about 1/4 of his passes go forward yet people rate him and criticise Allen. Baffles the mind really. I am no pro tactician or what but this is rather insightful.Why is passing sideways and keeping possession important? It's a simple case of putting two and two together. Rodgers says we press when we are without the ball and we rest when we have it. Are we expected to look for incisive passes all the time? Allan's role is to keep possession, move the ball about, let the players have a breather and at the same time, move defenders about. I'm no football manager but I'm certainly no noob to the game either and I see the merit in such a role. He is eager and looks for the ball all the time. Like him or not, attributing a win to the absence of one player not considering the fact that Fulham fielded a really weak midfield with the lazy Berbatov who never pressed our defence even when they were down, used as the fulcrum of their attack, is naive. Can't sugar coat it at all. Downing has been heavily criticised and yet he was in yesterday's squad and we won. Added on December 23, 2012, 2:21 pmHamann on Allen http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012/10/15...-lazy-critiques Added on December 23, 2012, 2:25 pmhttp://bet.unibet.com/football/2012/09/18/wake-shearer-joe-allen-liverpools-brave-pass-master/41 Another article on Allen. I'm implore that everyone reads about his game and understand why he does what he does. What I see in Allen is that, he has done little wrong. Just because he hasn't been making long killer wasteful passes, shooting from a long distance or tackling hard, doesn't mean that he wasn't contributing. I see him as a tempo controller, a person connecting the defence and the attacks. Which is rather essential and if he does play long balls, I'd rather see him getting benched, unless he is that good with his foot. To blame our losses or draws on Allen is like saying Suarez is immuned to blame just because he can make fancy dribbles and not score, or any other players. Suarez did miss quite a few sitters, IIRC. QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 23 2012, 02:28 PM) I really do like Allen. He's a smart player, works extremely hard and can be tenacious when he wants to. He's obviously not a perfect player. His height is an obvious defensive liability and at 22 he's still have much to learn - just like Lucas did 4 years back. Anyways, I think his poor run of form lately is due to him in some sort limbo - combination of being overplayed, being required to play as a makeshift DM and not having the a proper CM to play alongside him. I think its the right decision to drop him for one or two games so he could gather himself again. And if BR is spot on about his mentality, then i think Allen can only get better as the season progress.  |
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