pre-destination is something that doesn't leave you with any choice.


Ask yourself, are you incapable of making choices?

Definitely not.

God gave everyone freewill, the ability to make choices.

First of all let establish the fact that God wills everyone to know Him n believe in Him.

John 6:40 - For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Secondly while it's true there will be people who find difficulty believing in God, that doesn't mean everyone is incapable of making that choice.

Romans 10: 12-15
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent?


And how can that person make THE choice to believe unless He/She understands the gospel, that God loves that person? It is our duty as Christians to preach that message.

We are all intricately linked in the harvest field of God in the sense we all have this duty to preach this gospel.

Well at least do you understand now why we need to share the gospel?

Whether they accept it or not, that is something we cannot force.

Yes it's true, some people are blinded by the Evil, but that doesn't mean the person has no hope of being saved.
Bcos we CAN pray for "that" door to be open. That they'll be open to the gospel.

In that sense, I don't really believe anyone is predestined for Hell because everyone (after being shared of the gospel) has the power to decide.

What they do with that decision is entirely their own choice.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 13 2014, 09:42 AM

I think your confusion is at Item No.2

you think God predestined people to Heaven or to Hell.

We have tried to explained to you, it's not but your mind still goes back to that.

that why lo, the bible say

be transformed by the renewing of your mind - Romans 12:2

Don't believe what people say or even what your mind says, believe the word of God.

And the word of God confirms this.

2 Corinthians 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.


So based on that, who says God predestine people to hell?

God wants everyone to be saved.

But whether they want to accept that or not, it's really their choice, freewill.




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 13 2014, 04:31 PM

Very true, been experiencing it every time. Witness it happen to other believers every time.

God is Faithful.

There's no doubt about it.

So Sophiera, Do you understand what Pehkay explained?



ps: Thank Pehkay, great revelation there.

Allah is a noun.

It's a common noun.

Back in the days prior to Islam, before Mohammamed was even born, the Arabs already using the word allah to refer to a divine deity.

Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh) is the standard Arabic word for God.

It's a common noun, prior Islam, Christianity came first, the Arabic Christians referred to God as Allah as a common noun.
You cannot change what has happened in history. The only way you can do that is through denial of historical facts, just like how the Koran has recorded Jesus.


http://www.arabicbible.com/for-christians/...-and-islam.html

Here is another proof

http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/03/who...before-islam-1/

And more references


The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 7 2014, 04:13 PM

If you're meant to go, you're meant to go.

But if you're meant to live, God will protect that person.

I'm sure you have heard of incredible stories of how people trap under water for how long and yet managed to live.

People have this wrong misconception that everything that happens in this world is because God is causing it.

Everyday Bible verses with UW

The Lord IS......



Shalom Bro n Sis.

2 words, Present Tense.

Present Tense in "The Lord is my Shepherd..."

I want you to put this into your heart and mind and meditate on it.

The Lord is always my shepherd. Yesterday He was my shepherd, Today He is my Shepherd, Tomorrow, He will still be my shepherd.

He always is our shepherd. He is not just any other Shepherd, the Lord is MY shepherd. YOURS, which also means you are special to Him.

The Lord IS

What does a Shepherd do?
He guards and protects the sheep from enemies like wolves. Shepherds leads the sheep to green pasture for food. IF any sheep stray too far, the shepherd will leave the 99 and bring Him Back.
That is how the Holy Spirit wants you to know how our God is. He is the shepherd who protects you, feed you and lead you.

And the powerful truth is that when God is your shepherd (which He is), you will not lack (I shall not want). Why? Because He is the one who provide.

If you have enemies breathing down your neck, God will protect you, If you are in financial need, God will cause situations to work out to your favor. If you need Healing, God is the one who heals, etc and Psalms 23 promise that.
If anyone tells you God has forgotten you or God has left you, bring out Psalms 23:1 and let the truth sink in.

Our job is to believe by Faith and allow God to work in our lives to fulfil his promises.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 15 2014, 12:39 AM

Everyday Bible verses with UW

He makes me......



1 Word. Rest.

It's important for you to know that God wants you to be at rest.
The Holy Spirit of God operates on the wave length of peace.
The Bible says Be still and know that I am God.

Psalms 23:2 says
He makes me lie down.....And this is the picture of rest. If you are willing to submit yourself to God, the first thing that He does is to rest you.

Time and time again even Jesus says this, Come to me all of you who are burden and heavy laden and I will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28)

Why is rest important? Because that is the time you can hear God. I say you can hear God. and Rest also denotes trust. In the midst of your trouble time,
when you choose to rest in God, you are in essence trusting God to work things out in your life.

The next accompanying verse ...he leads me beside quiet water. Meditate on this. In the presence of God, is peace. Quiet Water.
All your anxiety, your stress, your oppression, frustration, etc come to rest in the presence of God.

This is the life of a Believer of God. While the world may turn in turmoil, we don't have to. Our God rest us in green pasture (providence) and quiet water.
Believe and Trust, your lack will be filled with green pasture and you will rest.

God Bless.

Praise God and I've replied to you in PM.

Why? The researcher himself said this

"It doesn't necessarily mean the stories are fiction or that there is no grain of truth in them. It doesn't mean Abraham wasn't a real figure; he can still be a real figure.

And in the same article:

Naturally, not all are in agreement with the study's conclusions. Alan Millard, a professor of Hebrew and ancient Semitic languages at the University of Liverpool says that while he doesn't doubt the radiocarbon dating, he doesn't believe it disproves that camels existed in the Patriarchal Age.

"The archaeologists were working in a valley south of the Red Sea, but the stories place Abraham in South Iraq in Ur and in Southern Turkey in the area of Harran before coming to Canaan. The fact that there were no camel bones from before 1000 BC in the south of the land doesn't mean there were no camels anywhere else," he says.

I think it was question out of curiosity and not one of contentious intent.

Everyday Bible verses with UW

He restores my soul......




Notice that;
After you consent God to be your shepherd.
After you consent for God to feed you and rest you.
Then here is where 2 more miracles happen.

One. God restores your soul
Two. God leads you in the path of righteousness.

Soul refers to your very "Being", your emotions, your passion, your desire, etc.

We all go through in life with some emotional scars and pain.
Everyone has some sort of scar on their soul.

But here is where God can restore that soul to complete wholeness if only you let Him.

I don't know what is your soul scar but God knows. Look at the divine flow of this restoration below.
It comes one after another, all in the still presence of God.

1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. (Provider)
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures (Providence): he leadeth me beside the still waters. (Rest and Peace)
3 He restoreth my soul: (Healing)

Then there's another aspect where God leads you in the path of righteousness.
There are many believers who strive to do what is right but lack the strength.
Many of us try our best only to fall short sooner or later and we cry out in frustration of the guilt of not being able
to live up to God's Holy Standard.

Perhaps we may have missed out step 1, 2 & 3 as above.
We have not allowed God to be our shepherd, we try to look for our own pasture in our own strength and we don't allocate time to be "quiet" before God.(spending time)

If you look carefully in this verse, it says "he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake"

I believe the reason why we fail to walk in righteousness is because we are not lead, we strive in our strength. And we don't realize that the righteousness here is for "his" name sake. Not yours. We think we do this to be righteous.

When actually He is the one who leads us to be righteous because God is righteous. Not us. The problem is our eye, we tend to look at ourselves rather than look to God for strength and righteousness.

One thing comes after another.

When you consent God to be your shepherd, consent Him to feed you and rest you, consent Him to restore you, You WILL walk in his righteousness effortlessly for "His" Name sake and for "His" Glory. All this comes in sequences of knowing, believing and doing Psalms 23:1-3.

God Bless.

1. Qing Ming is basically a Chinese Tradition. Respecting Ancestors, your great grand pa, grand pa, etc

2. Should be no problem

3. It's your own relative. Better to do it personally. Cleaning the grave is fine. Even Western culture they like their grave neat n tidy.

4. No punishment. What you've said is good enough. As long as you don't pray to the "earth" deity and to your ancestors, you're not disobeying anything. As each has been given but 1 life to live. As you know our God in Heaven is the one who give life and when one die, everybody without Christ will be judged.

5. Up to each person.

I think the wisest thing to do is to keep an open mind.

Don't be too quick to conclude anything because we are always discovering new discovery and sometimes new information overwrites the old one.

After all God is the one who blessed Man with the wisdom & Intelligence to discover how things work.

People without God don't know better and call it Science as if it's a kind of Force to be reckoned with but little do they know,

Everything that Man knows came by the grace imparted from God.

The arrogant ones will deny Him, but the one who acknowledge God will be given more abundance of knowledge, so that Man knows who is the one who created the Heavens and the Earth and in that, God is glorified.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 30 2014, 01:16 PM

you guys should see grace unplugged.

Now that's a real Christian movie.