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post Mar 10 2006, 11:33 PM, updated 20y ago

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I'm not entirely sure this is the correct place to post it, But can i ask for everyone's opinion:

WHICH IS RECOMMENDED AS THE BEST FIRST PEDAL I SHOULD BUY?

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post Mar 10 2006, 11:53 PM

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hey... u gotta tell us ur budget.. what kind of music u play.. help us.. help you =)
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post Mar 11 2006, 12:23 AM

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Preapre to get Whackerized man...... you should post it on the Pedal Board.....
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post Mar 11 2006, 01:03 AM

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first depend on ur budget, second on ur musical style, and finally what's ur expectation from this pedal...

generally i would recommend Boss Super OverDrive (SD1) as a beginner/first pedal (coz i'm using one tongue.gif) ... coz it produce a more versatile tone compare to other pedal (neither too hard nor too soft) ... or if u are looking for one pedal to rule them all, why not try multi effect like Zoom ... altho it's not really popular in here wink.gif ...

let's see what other got to say ...
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post Mar 11 2006, 01:12 AM

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sorrie, sorrie...
but anywayz, lets say budget under rm500.
what is the best for beginner? OVerdrive, effects, anything. What is your recommendation?
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It sounds as though you're buying a pedal because you need it to qualify for something! What I'm trying to say is that you don't buy a pedal just to have a pedal, you buy a pedal to help your tone. The best first pedal for you is one that does what you want it to. If you want a distortion pedal, go get one. Booster? Can also. Noise Gate? Yep. Chorus? Wah? Reverb? Flanger? They all do different things - you need to decide which one you want before you buy your first one.


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anyway, here is the rule of thumb : the more pedal you'll have, the more talented you are, as a guitarist.
steve vai as 57 fx pedals, so he's the best player so far.
jimi used barely 23 pedals, not even simultaneously : that was the stone age of good guitarists.
angus young uses 0 pedal, and clearly, he sucks big time.
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QUOTE(Reload @ Mar 11 2006, 01:45 AM)
It sounds as though you're buying a pedal because you need it to qualify for something! What I'm trying to say is that you don't buy a pedal just to have a pedal, you buy a pedal  to help your tone. The best first pedal for you is one that does what you want it to. If you want a distortion pedal, go get one. Booster? Can also. Noise Gate? Yep. Chorus? Wah? Reverb? Flanger? They all do different things - you need to decide which one you want before you buy your first one.
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wow.. thanks.
Well, i'd say that i'm going for distortion for now. So wat model/brand do u guys recommend as a first one?
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a talent boost pedal would be great for a 1st
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post Mar 11 2006, 08:49 AM

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How about multi-FX pedals Pix??? One of those thing holds about 30 different kinds of effects.... does that count??
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post Mar 11 2006, 10:32 AM

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[Wah-Wah] Effects Pedals, Opinions/Advice

I think all of us have answered this kind of question like 10 times already .... laugh.gif
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post Mar 11 2006, 12:25 PM

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multifx ??? it's like you're saying you're a great car pilot and all, you're the best in rally, in go-kart, etc... but you're actually driving a truck in everyday's life.
how lame is that.

and yes, thewhacker is right, as usual tongue.gif, this topic has been brought up so many times : hi, i'm a newbie, i don't know ANYTHING about guitar, but i want the best pedal in the world, so i can finally have MY sound, to reflect MY soul.
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post Mar 11 2006, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Pix @ Mar 11 2006, 12:25 PM)
multifx ??? it's like you're saying you're a great car pilot and all, you're the best in rally, in go-kart, etc... but you're actually driving a truck in everyday's life.
how lame is that.

and yes, thewhacker is right, as usual tongue.gif, this topic has been brought up so many times : hi, i'm a newbie, i don't know ANYTHING about guitar, but i want the best pedal in the world, so i can finally have MY sound, to reflect MY soul.
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That's insulting...
I only wanted to ask for opinions, because i really want to buy a pedal to try out some new sounds. I've been using my guitar and the amp's regular distortion for a long while already, so wanna improve. Since people don't know much, at least i asked so i can learn.

Weren't you a newbie once, and how would you feel if people flamed your question? Simple question, give a simple answer. wink.gif


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post Mar 11 2006, 04:40 PM

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learn from ur mistakes.. thewhacker told me off many times before too.. close this thread and just post up in the other existing thread

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post Mar 11 2006, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(hydrogen @ Mar 11 2006, 03:54 PM)
That's insulting...
I only wanted to ask for opinions, because i really want to buy a pedal to try out some new sounds. I've been using my guitar and the amp's regular distortion for a long while already, so wanna improve. Since people don't know much, at least i asked so i can learn.
Weren't you a newbie once, and how would you feel if people flamed your question? Simple question, give a simple answer. wink.gif
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hey hey, no hard feeling dude biggrin.gif ... forgot about Pix, he's the wHacky (no pun intended tongue.gif) moderator here .... that's our way of communicating here .... you may receive some nasty remarks here and there ...but it's all good dude.... cheers
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post Mar 11 2006, 05:53 PM

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no worries. so wat u recommend
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I recommend that you close this thread and post your question on the thread that Whacker recommends.....
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post Mar 11 2006, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(hydrogen @ Mar 11 2006, 03:54 PM)
That's insulting...
I only wanted to ask for opinions, because i really want to buy a pedal to try out some new sounds. I've been using my guitar and the amp's regular distortion for a long while already, so wanna improve. Since people don't know much, at least i asked so i can learn.

Weren't you a newbie once, and how would you feel if people flamed your question? Simple question, give a simple answer. wink.gif
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Newbie or not ... even if you go to a shop and telling them "I want pedal, very cun pedal" ... you think you're going to get an answer ?

You said you have a budget of Rm500 .... that's a good amount to start with.

Now the question at hand. What kind of music are you playing ?

Bluez ? Jazz ? Hip-Hop ? Rock ? Metal ? Ska ? Punk ? classical ? Soul ? Rap ? or you dunno ?

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QUOTE(Pix @ Mar 11 2006, 07:04 AM)
anyway, here is the rule of thumb : the more pedal you'll have, the more talented you are, as a guitarist.
steve vai as 57 fx pedals, so he's the best player so far.
jimi used barely 23 pedals, not even simultaneously : that was the stone age of good guitarists.
angus young uses 0 pedal, and clearly, he sucks big time.
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heh, this is blardy insulting for a person with an empty wallet and an empty pedal board... like me laugh.gif

QUOTE(TheWhacker @ Mar 11 2006, 07:06 PM)
Newbie or not ... even if you go to a shop and telling them "I want pedal, very cun pedal" ... you think you're going to get an answer ?

You said you have a budget of Rm500 .... that's a good amount to start with.

Now the question at hand. What kind of music are you playing ?

Bluez ? Jazz ? Hip-Hop ? Rock ? Metal ? Ska ? Punk ? classical ? Soul ? Rap ? or you dunno ?

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shhh shhh shhhh! don't say it whacker! let me say it...

help us, help you smile.gif

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IMO, i won't rush to get any sort of pedal first, and instead focus on my skills. after all skills are what that reflects a guitarist, not equipment. wink.gif

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post Mar 11 2006, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(TheWhacker @ Mar 11 2006, 07:06 PM)
Newbie or not ... even if you go to a shop and telling them "I want pedal, very cun pedal" ... you think you're going to get an answer ?

You said you have a budget of Rm500 .... that's a good amount to start with.

Now the question at hand. What kind of music are you playing ?

Bluez ? Jazz ? Hip-Hop ? Rock ? Metal ? Ska ? Punk ? classical ? Soul ? Rap ? or you dunno ?

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okok... i get your point.
thanks.
Ermm.. mostly metal and rock, and some punk, i guess. definitely not jazz/classical/soul/rap.
And umm.. sorrie for not being specific. I don wan a 'cun' pedal, just something for me to start out with more sounds within metal/rock/punk genre.

thanks-
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just buy those cheap behringers for starters...cheap and sounds ok...so when u think u wanna go further, invest in some better names...

or go for all those cheap zoom multifx...i'm sure those have all the basic necessary effects you'd ever need all boxed in one...the new model should be just around rm300+...i forgot...




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u shud get this
its called rojak pedal tongue.gif
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u can try the alesis pedal
forgot the model alr tho
RM99!!!!
plenty to play!

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post Mar 11 2006, 09:23 PM

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a great starter is to see what ur fav band plays.. like if u like blink 182.. see wat tom delonge has.. then maybe work ur way up for the single pedal... and i bet u will like it.. if not.. then other pedal lor.. can test in shops rite
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icic.. thats very practical.. That would definitely be the correct pedal i want (based on my fav band, but i doubt i can afford wat they are using.

Cheap Behringers? can giv me some model numbers? so i can research.
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To Me, I think a first pedal should ALWAYS be a multi-FX pedal.... that way, they can experiment with different sounds before they can finally affoard to buy a single effect setup.

I bought a Zoom 505 (Which I still think is a great first Mutli-FX pedal) as my first pedal, and haven't regret it since. Maybe, if I had a bit more budget last time, I would get one with an expression pedal, which I would recommend now.... My a ToneWorks or the new Zoom with the expression pedal.... Then, once you get to know your setup better..... start investing in single pedals and build your own sound..
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Mar 11 2006, 10:15 PM)
To Me, I think a first pedal should ALWAYS be a multi-FX pedal.... that way, they can experiment with different sounds before they can finally affoard to buy a single effect setup.

I bought a Zoom 505 (Which I still think is a great first Mutli-FX pedal) as my first pedal, and haven't regret it since. Maybe, if I had a bit more budget last time, I would get one with an expression pedal, which I would recommend now.... My a ToneWorks or the new Zoom with the expression pedal.... Then, once you get to know your setup better..... start investing in single pedals and build your own sound..
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thumbup.gif Sweet. Wats the price for the Zoom 505 now? and how about one with an expression pedal, what would it cost around? Is it still good, or already obsolete?
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I think it's called the Zoom G2.1u now.......... Not sure how much it costs... I think Zeroelite bought a Zoom 2.1u recently also.... Find out from him...
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the g-serie are modellers, so they might be more expensive and not really suited to what you need. if you want expression pedal, the 606 or 707II is the way to go.
please visit www.zoom.co.jp, you have detailed info about all the products listed above.
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Mar 11 2006, 10:51 PM)
I think it's called the Zoom G2.1u now.......... Not sure how much it costs... I think Zeroelite bought a Zoom 2.1u recently also.... Find out from him...
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i have the zoom g2.1u too.
it cost ard rm500+
great sound in it, but the wah's quite weak IMO
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505II are still around in some small shops. no expression pedal but its good enough. heck, i used a 505II for few gigs before i got picked up to play for other better well known bands(and with that had better excuses to upgrade). point is, even with a 505II u can still get some decent effects and impress people(but you wont hide ur playing). since theyre so outdated u could probably find them for over rm100 or so. drop by jamtank and ask. 2nd hand one would probably be below rm100 by now.

my advice, get a multi efx as your first pedal. u'll learn alot from it.
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waaa! 505II cost less than 100? serious? how come so cheap? Anyway, the G2.1u looks pretty sweet.
I'll check the prices, and definitely test them before making a decision
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The reason why the 505II is cheap, is because I think it's 2 models old already.... infact.... you can probably find a 505 for a cheaper price!!
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QUOTE(silbi @ Mar 11 2006, 08:34 PM)
just buy those cheap behringers for starters...cheap and sounds ok...so when u think u wanna go further, invest in some better names...

or go for all those cheap zoom multifx...i'm sure those have all the basic necessary effects you'd ever need all boxed in one...the new model should be just around rm300+...i forgot...
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behringer retails for about RM100++ and u hav a wide variety of them... overdrive, tube overdrive, chorus, etc..
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QUOTE(dilin @ Mar 12 2006, 08:42 AM)
behringer retails for about RM100++ and u hav a wide variety of them... overdrive, tube overdrive, chorus, etc..
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Behringer pedals are analogue wan right? are they like the Boss ones? Why so far no one recommend Boss pedal - overdrive, distortion, and chorus, etc.
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I'm not sure, but i think behringer is analogue. they reverse engineer pedals from boss, ibanez and dunno who else, and present it as BEHRINGER. Hopefully the vets can offer more info.

BOSS is good (and expensive), can always get them... common knowledge i think, so no one recommend smile.gif ha ha..

rmbr, u get what u pay for..
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Not really..... Boss are actually pretty resonable for pro quality sounds.....
But since we still don't know WHAT KIND OF SOUND/MUSIC THAT YOU WANT TO PLAY... it's hard to recommend single effect pedals......... vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

you get the picture??

Not trying to be mean or anything..... but up until now.... you still haven't said what kind of tone you want, or what kind of band/artist you want to emulate....
you said you want a distortion/overdrive... but didn't say for what kind of music....
There are distortions for Heavy Metal (Boss Metal Zone, Digitech's The Weapon), Metal (Boss SD-1/DS-1, Digitech's Hot Rod), Punk Rock (Digitech's Hot Rod comes to mind)..... and don't forget.. distortions usually is amp dependent as well...... so there are a MILLION combinations for "Distortion".....

So please, again.... help us, help you..... read some previous posts and the rules before making comments like that again!!!

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hahahaha okok.... relax.
umm... i guess i want a more bassy, heavy, and deep sound that sounds like Sum41 (think Crazy Amanda Bunkface) & Blink182 & NewFound glory. something like that.... more rough kind of sound lor
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If you're amp has distortion that you like, but not hard enough, I suggest you get the SD-1 for an overdrive.... remember..... SD-1 is NOT to be used on it's own..... you need to put it infront of your exsisting distortion for some major ball breaker....

If you want something with a bit more crunch or your amp is crap and can be used on it's own.... get the DS-1 instead...

All these are BOSS pedals and should be about 180 a pedal.

Honestly.... punk players are mostly direct from Amp to Guitar and that's it.... only a handful really uses a overdrive pedal in the front....

But like I said..... if you're a Noob.... forget about getting single pedals and get a multi-FX unit first.....
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yup.. recommend a multifx . later when u know what u want, then only go for the stomp box.
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Mar 12 2006, 05:35 PM)
If you're amp has distortion that you like, but not hard enough, I suggest you get the SD-1 for an overdrive.... remember..... SD-1 is NOT to be used on it's own..... you need to put it infront of your exsisting distortion for some major ball breaker....

If you want something with a bit more crunch or your amp is crap and can be used on it's own.... get the DS-1 instead...

All these are BOSS pedals and should be about 180 a pedal.

Honestly.... punk players are mostly direct from Amp to Guitar and that's it.... only a handful really uses a overdrive pedal in the front....

But like I said..... if you're a Noob.... forget about getting single pedals and get a multi-FX unit first.....
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better get a bad monkey
SD-1 kinda sux the low end out from the tone
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what will u choose between the boss mt-2 or distortion pedal.....?


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What distortion pedal are you talking about??
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basically turbo distortion ds-2 or ds-1...
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sigh.... here we go again..... of all persons, Angeling..... you should know that you MUST state what kind of sound or artist you want to emulate!!!!!
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QUOTE(ANGELING @ Mar 12 2006, 07:43 PM)
what will u choose between the boss mt-2 or distortion pedal.....?
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Hey guys, this is my friends' gear. Check it out and please give some comments. I'm really interested to hear..

(Clockwise from left)
BOSS Flanger BF-2
BOSS Chorus CE-2(Made in Japan)
BOSS Chromatic Tuner TU-2
Proco RAT 2 Distortion Pedal
Ibanez Tubescreamer TS-9 Overdrive Pedal
BOSS Phaser PH-1r (Made in Japan)
Electroc Harmonix The Worm Modulator Pedal
Digitech Digidelay X-Series Delay Pedal


I have to bring that up... you have a friend which has some many pedals, since he is your friend, why don't you go to his place and try out his pedals (especially TS9 and Proco Rat) and start from there ? that should give you a good overview of all kinds of sound.
Then you can always get a day-tour in the main music shops of KL and try out the pedals in there...

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so he's going for MXR distortion pedals wink.gif

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Mar 12 2006, 05:35 PM)
If you're amp has distortion that you like, but not hard enough, I suggest you get the SD-1 for an overdrive.... remember..... SD-1 is NOT to be used on it's own..... you need to put it infront of your exsisting distortion for some major ball breaker....

If you want something with a bit more crunch or your amp is crap and can be used on it's own.... get the DS-1 instead...

All these are BOSS pedals and should be about 180 a pedal.

Honestly.... punk players are mostly direct from Amp to Guitar and that's it.... only a handful really uses a overdrive pedal in the front....

But like I said..... if you're a Noob.... forget about getting single pedals and get a multi-FX unit first.....
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yeah.. Thanks. Looks like im headed to buy a multi-fx pedal. Maybe one of the Zooms. Get a general concept of the different kinds of sounds first. Then maybe much later i'll get single pedals. But i've tried the DS-1 and kinda liked it, so... tongue.gif

Pix: yup. I played with him only once, for a Youth Rally Concert, and that time he was using mostly BOSS single pedals and the PROCO rat2, and Digital Delay. I tried only ONE of his pedals, namely the BOSS Distortion (the orange one). Haven't met up with him recently.. so hard to do that. But i think i'm gona take your advice and go on a lil' trip down to the stores to try out some multi-fx pedals in KL. hopefully can get something to help me kick-start.
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sorry...what's the diffrences btw the multi-fx and multi-effect?

isn't that if i buy pod xt live it'll be a part useless for me bcoz i doesn't gig?

thanks..
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useless ? no, the pod xt live will never be useless wink.gif actually it's pretty useful for recording, and gigging as well, and don't forget that if it's just for practise, it's pretty cool too laugh.gif

now, i agree, the "live" thing (layout as a pedal board) is especially designed for live use. So the pod xt itself is always useful, but the "live" part of it is only beneficial if you need easy access to all effects/models at once.. it looks better than the "bean" though wink.gif

multi fx = multi effect...
fx is an abbreviation for effect, my friend.
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like i said, a multi fx would be a good choice if u dont know which sound u really want wink.gif
later when u buy those stomp boxes u want, u can still use the effects that u dont have in the multifx. plus most multifx's have drum machines
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QUOTE(plankton @ Mar 13 2006, 11:49 AM)
like i said, a multi fx would be a good choice if u dont know which sound u really want wink.gif
later when u buy those stomp boxes u want, u can still use the effects that u dont have in the multifx. plus most multifx's have drum machines
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Multi-fx with drum machines? wow Which ones? Can you give me some models, so i can research a bit? These sound like some pretty good ones to help me start off. oh ya, and if possible give me some prices too. thanks-
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This is my other friend's pedal. its a KORG Toneworks AX1500g

Any opinions on this pedal? He considering selling to me second hand for RM400.
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thats a good price.. dunno how much it is new now, maybe other forumers know?? for 400 that would be a really good buy. id say get it but maybe the other guys here think different?

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wonderful ! hydrogen, go for it... really good price, and it's way higher range than zoom 505 or zoom 707. Check it's working fine though.
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QUOTE(Pix @ Mar 13 2006, 11:08 AM)
useless ? no, the pod xt live will never be useless wink.gif actually it's pretty useful for recording, and gigging as well, and don't forget that if it's just for practise, it's pretty cool too laugh.gif

now, i agree, the "live" thing (layout as a pedal board) is especially designed for live use. So the pod xt itself is always useful, but the "live" part of it is only beneficial if you need easy access to all effects/models at once.. it looks better than the "bean" though wink.gif

multi fx = multi effect...
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among the zoom gfx-8, boss gt-8 and pod xt live.....pod get the highest rating and almost good comment from user.....
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QUOTE(Pix @ Mar 13 2006, 02:07 PM)
wonderful ! hydrogen, go for it... really good price, and it's way higher range than zoom 505 or zoom 707. Check it's working fine though.
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its on about the same level as the gfx8 i think.. buy buy! >:)
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hahahaha... most probably will. The only problem is that got another buyer also... wat if that fella want to outbid me by raising the price.
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hydrogen... if you're ready to put 500rm in the Zoom, consider putting at least 500rm for this Korg, if you have too. and a bit more to win the bid wink.gif i'm serious, it's a good buy.
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QUOTE(Pix @ Mar 14 2006, 12:49 AM)
hydrogen... if you're ready to put 500rm in the Zoom, consider putting at least 500rm for this Korg, if you have too. and a bit more to win the bid wink.gif i'm serious, it's a good buy.
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hmmm.... ok. I think i trust your judgement. tongue.gif
I'll tell my friend to hold it for me. Good thing i know him better than the other seller. And i just heard the KORG's wahwah, and it sounds quite decent! thumbup.gif
But that was through a 30watt amp. I'm wondering what the sound will be like through my pathetic little Marshall 10w..... shocking.gif
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QUOTE(hydrogen @ Mar 13 2006, 12:23 PM)
Multi-fx with drum machines? wow Which ones? Can you give me some models, so i can research a bit? These sound like some pretty good ones to help me start off. oh ya, and if possible give me some prices too. thanks-
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try this:
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for sound sample and promotional videos, click here.

and it's available here!!! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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This looks really cool... And really pro.. and really expensive.
Maybe more in the future lar. So gaya wan this pedal.. blink.gif
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if uve got a fren coming back from japan, ask them to buy a multifx for u there smile.gif the second hands usually sell less than half the original price, and the condition is still good.. trust me wink.gif
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QUOTE(hydrogen @ Mar 14 2006, 11:14 AM)
This looks really cool... And really pro.. and really expensive.
Maybe more in the future lar. So gaya wan this pedal.. blink.gif
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i thought these pedals have been around for quite a long time already.
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QUOTE(plankton @ Mar 14 2006, 11:21 AM)
if uve got a fren coming back from japan, ask them to buy a multifx for u there smile.gif the second hands usually sell less than half the original price, and the condition is still good.. trust me wink.gif
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err... no friends coming from Japan. But its ok lar. I'll just buy my friends wan.. now all i have to do is stinge a bit on my expenses and the KORG toneworks is mine.. muahahahahahaa
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referring to your previous concern : plugging any kind of things within a marshall 10W won't produce anything good. So of course, in the future, you'll have to upgrade your amp. However, since you're more attracted to effects than "good" sound AND there is such a good deal on the Korg, you'll have to live with it wink.gif

Interesting fact : One day led_zep plugs his 'noodle' into the input a marshall 10W, and it happens that some sound came out of it. It wasn't so clear (it's just a 10W) but the amplified sound says : "hey, thanks man, there's a hole, finally !!"

hoooooo... just kidding !! laugh.gif
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actually i know that nothing sounds good on a 10w amp lar, but the amp is just my practice only..
usually i play on a 30 watt one. But means that practice time wont be much fun, unless i use good earphones or something..?
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Got RM600 now...
any good multieffects in your list...
play heavy metal stuff...
its my fwen la...
donno what to do...

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actually i know that nothing sounds good on a 10w amp lar, but the amp is just my practice only..
usually i play on a 30 watt one. But means that practice time wont be much fun, unless i use good earphones or something..?
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save up some cash.. get a pure tube amp.. 15Watt at least.. no need any effects
juz my 2 cents =)
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line 6 pod xt live

everthing in one

36 amps- fender twin reverb, marshall jcm 800, mesa boogie and more

lot of effects- chorus, delay, reverbs and more

whammy pedal , wah pedal and volume pedal

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sound the same as your guitar heroes

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Wow....... isn't that Blatant advertising???

RM600 for a Pod XT live??!!! SIGN ME UP SCOTTY!!!!


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What effects should I get if I want thrash/heavy metal sound... like... err.. Megadeth...
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Rocktron Prophesy II rack mount system:

http://www.rocktron.com/site/productreview...rophesy2_1.html

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This is now Dave Mustaine's weapon of choice when it comes to effects.

Yours for only $1000.... USD.....

If you can't fork out that much cash (honestly..... who here in this forum WOULD spend over RM4k on an effects system).....
Would suggest the POD Xt Live or a Digitech Workstation....
if an even lower budget.... I think a Zoom 2.1u or Korg ToneWorks 1500g should be sufficient.
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^ that is if you are going rack. there are other cheaper alternatives for rack setups, second hands or new. ie, T.C. Electronic G Major, Rocktron Replifex, Rocktron Intellifex etc. I'm still in a dilemma. Taking one step at a time.
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Whooooops. Forgot that the title of the thread is "The Best First Pedal to Purchase"...... I think a rack system would be a little far off "first"........

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Boss Metalzone MT-2.
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Just killed off my favourite pedal, the Boss DS-1. Will be getting a modified version (The DS-Ultra by Keeley Electronics) hopefully by year's end. Been hearing a lot of rave reviews about it, so might be worth your while. smile.gif
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Boss MetalZone is quite subjective, not everybody prefer it, i would rather value DeathMetal from Digitech over Boss.

besides, I would like to reconmend ZOOM G2.1U, a very good pedal for newbies to advanced level, because it doesn't sound naturally...but more like digital sounds, not everybody like it.....so better test it before buying, but if you're playing heavy metal, get a Boss DS-1 as booster pedal, it's gain level is more than enough for me.

Thanks.

EDIT: Keelly Modded Boss ds-1 seems very popular at overseas...but never heard somebody owning(maybe) or selling it so far....can find it in Malaysia?

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EDIT: Keelly Modded Boss ds-1 seems very popular at overseas...but never heard somebody owning(maybe) or selling it so far....can find it in Malaysia?
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i have seen many setups not using any distortion pedal at all... is it because the amp already produce sufficient distorted sound through overdrive?

or should a distortion pedal like... err... Metal-Zone a must for playing metal riffs?
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but as i told by few forummers, MetalZone is not necessary actually. If your amp had a distortion channel, just get a booster pedal like Boss DS-1, toooo high gain is really paining the head......
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What you DON'T see, is their racks and racks of effects hidden backstage.

But yes. There are guitarists who doesn't use a distortion pedal in front of their amps. Most amp heads are already powerful enough as it is.....
Take for example Alexi Laiho.... He just passes his signal through a Lee Jackson Perfect Connection Tube Pre-Amp (sometimes uses a Sansamp Preamp), which is then passed to a RSP Hush system (to boost his low end) and splits it into stereo using Rocktron Intellifex system, and then into a VHT Two/Fifty/Two Power amp.


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It's not a necessity, but sometime you just need them.
Many of us doesn't lug around our precious amps... laugh.gif

Guitarer : MetalZone or DS-1 are the usual choice I guess.
Basser : Pre-amp, Overdrive and Chorus. But usually, you won't find the need to use these pedals.

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to me, always found the Metal Zone pedal to be a Noob metal guitarist pedal. When they first plug it in, they think "this is the heaviest thing ever!"
But once they start properly playing..... they'll find the gain like... "Gaaaaaahhhhh!!! Turn it down!"

Would definitely recommend the DS-1 if you want better gain....... or the SD-1 to just dirty your sound.

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Dec 3 2006, 03:01 PM)
to me, always found the Metal Zone pedal to be a Noob metal guitarist pedal. When they first plug it in, they think "this is the heaviest thing ever!"
But once they start properly playing..... they'll find the gain like... "Gaaaaaahhhhh!!! Turn it down!"

Would definitely recommend the DS-1 if you want better gain....... or the SD-1 to just dirty your sound.
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Of course, the subject of sound and tone are as subjective as beauty. laugh.gif

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sampled the sounds of Digitech DF7 on Digitech's website... sounds nice. are Digitech stuffs more expensive compare to Boss?
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depends..... Their individual stomp boxes are almost the same prices..... but their premium stuff such as their artist pedals or their expression factory.... VERY expensive. This is of course Bentley's prices.

I wonder if they will still have discount on their Whammy next year.....
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For me, I think a guitarist should at least have a decent distortion box and a delay pedal. That should be quite sufficient to provide you with satisfactory sound under most circumstances. A chorus pedal would be good to have too for those clean sections.

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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Dec 6 2006, 06:26 PM)
For me, I think a guitarist should at least have a decent distortion box and a delay pedal. That should be quite sufficient to provide you with satisfactory sound under most circumstances. A chorus pedal would  be good to have too for those clean sections.
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agree with what you say, but still it depends on what kind of music you're playing and what tone you're looking for...

i personally think for simple distortion, the digitech hot head and boss ds-1 is a good place to start with...(i went for the hot head though)

but for beginner, i think a distortion pedal, with the amp's built in reverb or delay will be enough for a quick start and also allow them to find the tone they want...

boss metal zone can sound nice if you know how to tweek it, as i saw one of my friend did it...he can get a lot of different sound from the mt-2 alone...
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The DS1 is not a very good distortion pedal. Granted it is cheap but the tone knob has very limited usable range, the gain is not a lot for a 'distortion' pedal and the distortion voicing is overall harsh and thin.

The better distortion pedal to get is the MD2. Despite being marketed as a nu-metal pedal, it is really just a souped up DS1 with more gain, fatter (bottom knob), and more usable tone range. It is however not an easy pedal to use and not the pedal for really super high gain tight heavy stuff.

For a standard versatile distortion, the MD2 is probably the best you can buy for the money.

The MT2 is good for metal and that's about it cause no matter how you tweak the gain and the settings, it still has that annoying metal hiss to the gain but then again, it is called a metal zone for a reason. Probably the easiest pedal to get a decent metal tone, however too many pedal push the gain to the max and scooped the mids too much hence making the pedal less than stellar in a band mix. With the right settings, i.e. less gain, more mids, it can sound really heavy.

For a booster pedal, the OD3 is the best one BOSS has to offer. It is also one of the most expensive overdrive/distortion pedal by BOSS being the same price as a MT2.

It is clearly superior to the SD1 in everyway, except for the price.

The OD3 has more gain (enough for GN'R stuff), sounds a lot more fatter and warm by itself and sounds really fat when boosted (the sd1 tightens up the tone but not really fattens it by much since it cuts bass).

The SD1 by itself sounds quite thin, the gain really pathetic even for an overdrive pedal and not warm at all.

That said, for first distortion pedal that is versatile, go for the MD2.

IF your interest is only in metal and nothing else, get the MT2.

IF you have a tube amp, the OD3 is the natural choice.
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for a starter.. what multifx should i buy... how much is 1 roughly..
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dont forget with pedals, its the sum of all the parts taken together that creates your sound...not just one pedal.

of cos when regular ppl, those who have no nice tube amps, look for pedals, they want something that can give them nice distortion.

but for others...for example the Boss SD-1.
Zakk Wylde and Richie Sambora are just two of them who use/d it as a boost for solo work, cos they already have nice tube amps to handle the main rhythm work.
Zakk also uses a Wah as a boost, he's said that he hates all that wah wah wah sounds.

another case, this time with a fuzz face user on another forum.
he's hated it cos it was very thin sounding, guess like the Boss DS-1...until he stuck a crybaby after it...then the sound immediately fattened up even with the crybaby on bypass.

of cos if the pedal is really bad, no matter what you do it cant be helped.

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That's true....... but sometimes, a sound that's perfect for someone, might be crap to others..... it's all about personal preference really.

Even if we recommend you a kick-ass MXR/Jim Dunlop pedal board, it might not sound right to you.....
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i'm using marshall 15 DFX ... izzit ok?? i'm planning to buy a multi fx.. with wah and everything la.. but not so expensive.. which will you all reccomand..

This post has been edited by ggoo: Jan 12 2007, 11:12 PM

 

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