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post Nov 15 2014, 08:17 PM

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Normally, is that any charge when withdraw our fund?
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post Nov 16 2014, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 15 2014, 10:54 PM)
Usually no.
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post Jan 9 2015, 12:06 PM

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Hows the risk of Index fund compare to Equity fund? Did some reading on the internet but dont really understand
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post Jan 9 2015, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 9 2015, 12:17 PM)
Am guessing only...

Index funds, the fund will buy all the shares that forms the basket of the composite. It attempts to replicate the performance of the index.

Equity fund, practically no restrictions, as long as it is shares and it fits the parameter of the fund. The fund will pick it up. Equity funds normally try and outperform the index.

There's probably more equity funds out there as opposed to index funds.
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so sounds like the level of risk is unpredictable merely depend on the fund management skill hmm.gif

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post Jan 9 2015, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 9 2015, 12:27 PM)
For Malaysian and Asian markets,  index fubds mot worth it. U can easily beat the index
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Recommended to get 1? hmm.gif
Meeting a Hong Leong Bank agent this weekend, she trying to sell me Index Fund.
I already have Small Cap Fund and Equity Fund in CIMB, will adding Index Fund making my portfolio too risky?

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post Jan 9 2015, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 9 2015, 04:39 PM)
Not too risky

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o.. ur previous post typo i thought u mean most haha biggrin.gif
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post Jan 9 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 9 2015, 05:38 PM)
Lol... If not depend on fund management then depend on?

Anyway, it all depends on our risk appetite and investment horizon.

Companies that form part of the basket in the composite r generally matured companies with no room for growth and established in their own areas. Nothing exciting happens. Returns are generally stable or flat.

Non index funds, there's practically no restrictions. The company can be a piece of junk but if the fund manager thinks it has potential for growth and fits the funds OBJ, he will go and invest in it.

Listen to what she say first and then balance it against your expectations , btw do you have a link or materials for me to read up on our fund?
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like those fix income fund with bond, depending on the party who release bond mah as long as they dont bankrupt. Ofcourse dont consider the high risk bond (don't know what's that called).

u means link for the index-fund? i don't have any info about it yet, will meet her this weekend see what she can introduce.
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post Jan 10 2015, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 10 2015, 01:35 AM)
not too sure about the fix income part... anyway lets presume all Fund Manager's do their due diligence to mitigate the risk of default in bonds.

Next before you invest in unit trust fund especially the funds that you don't know... ask from Agent what is the name of the Fund, so you can do some research.

That HLB agent is selling u some funds that belong to other fund house. Coz i check Hong Leong Asset Management website (http://www.hlam.com.my/Retail-Solutions/overview), they don't seem to have any index fund.
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Yeap i checked their website too, din't found any index fund related plan. Will check with her tomolo biggrin.gif
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post Jan 12 2015, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 10 2015, 01:35 AM)
not too sure about the fix income part... anyway lets presume all Fund Manager's do their due diligence to mitigate the risk of default in bonds.

Next before you invest in unit trust fund especially the funds that you don't know... ask from Agent what is the name of the Fund, so you can do some research.

That HLB agent is selling u some funds that belong to other fund house. Coz i check Hong Leong Asset Management website (http://www.hlam.com.my/Retail-Solutions/overview), they don't seem to have any index fund.
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met her today, she is referring to the fund called EverGreen from Hong Leong, which is built up from few diff fund, sounds like balance fund for me.
But that's 2 diff abt this fund, or instead of fund, it sound more like a plan.

1) U need initial amount to open account, for continuously 3 years, min 3k, mean 9k for 3 years, but only 57% of the money goes into the fund unit, others 43% goes into the management fee for following 20 years, mean no further management fee will be charged. U only allowed to top-up to purchase more unit after 1 year. (top up is charge with 5% service fee)
2) If u sell your unit 20 years later, which is when the contract end, Hong Leong will buy it with the highest unit price the fund had ever hit. Let say @years-15 it worth 1.5 per unit, but @year-20 it only worth 1 per unit, but u sell it @ year-20 it will be sell at the highest rate it ever hit which is 1.5.
And, thats insurance protection linked, that's why so much money was deducted when open account.

Ever heard this kind of plan b4? hmm.gif
For me this sound like a really long-term saving plan instead of investment plan. but buy your unit @year-20 with the higher rate it ever reach, abit sound too good to believe. Ofcoz presuming if the fund raise high at some pts.
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post Jan 12 2015, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Jan 11 2015, 12:26 PM)
can share abit abt the index fund? intial amount? return like?
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Just a type of fund. Initial amount? Not sure why u ask so tho but as i know, at-least the fund i encounter so far only require min. amt in your acc which is 1k. Return refer to link below, ofcoz the result is still depending on the management.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/indexfund.asp

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post Jan 12 2015, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 12 2015, 10:03 AM)
(a) I googled, this product is an investment linked fund sold by HLA.
(b) the underlying is an FRNID issued by CIMB, can see from Fund Fact Sheet.

What I don’t like about the product. The fact that I have to pay upfront management fee, the manager already sapu my duit for next 20 years even before he does any work. The duration of commitment is so extensive that by the end of 20 years, a lot of things can happen. What if CIMB or HLB goes bust? Unlikely to happen, that’s what they told me about Lehman.

From the Fund Fact Sheet, I noted this Fund  invest in FRNID issued by CIMB. This suggest that HLA actually purchased a structure product from CIMB, they are effectively on-selling to end Clients. The upfront fee is high, this is probably because HLA may be shifting the cost of purchasing the note to policy holders or perhaps to retain profit sharing ratio. In addition to that, the issue price will be significantly different if there is some form of guarantee involved (example at the end of 20 years, to sell the Fund at highest rate achieved by the Fund) or principally protected until maturity (as noted in the Fund Fact Sheet. Note it doesn’t if its principally protected when there is occurrence of a withdrawal i.e. you may not get dollar to dollar value, you might be penalized on exit.), this features will entail additional cost.

Essentially for a policy holder, you betting within that 20 years there will be a super bull run and the policy will achieve a super peak. Now the question is, if there was a bull run wouldn’t my unit trust or shares perform just as well without the aforementioned restriction? Also, why should I pay so much for so little and for so long!

Also check out an interesting discussion in the following link, I haven’t finished reading it yet…

Start from post #2630
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2722457/+2340

My conclusion…

This product is not worth it. Too many uncertain variables.
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Yea i have the same query too, 20 years, what if it goes bankrupt. Thn i found out it's under protection of PIDM.
She told me the fund was initially owned by CIMB, and Hong Leong took over later on.

http://www.hla.com.my/financial_highlights...axis=D&single=1
If i purchase now, the price is @0.8327 per unit, guarantee sell price is @1.4221
If it was sell @ 20 years later with price @1.4221, mean it's only roughly 2.72% profit per year, which is lower then putting it in 20 years deposit plan. Unless the fund price raise sky high at certain point. But i think u get much surprise since it's index fund? The initial amount is just merely for open account at-least from what i see. The entry fee to open account from investor is just to maintain the unit price because it's locked if im not mistaken.
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