all sifu wana to ask as title is it worth? More in city drive. used avanza oso nid cost for rm32000. Nid sifu giv some consult and advice.budget on rm500/month instalment.... with loan 20000

This post has been edited by kenny79: Dec 1 2012, 02:57 PM

in city drive why need avanza? need to cary goods or children? 1.3 avanza is underpowered.

Not worth. Avanza is super duper boring car anyway.

worth it if u need the space , these car are build solid and long lasting , however dont complain lack about nvh , ride quality , refinement and fuel economy .

go for 1.5

It's not a good car. It is not safe (same level as cheap Chinese knock off cars, if not worse), the ride is said to be very bad, and I didn't like the interior either (of the new one). Vastly overpriced, there are better options out there. Plus you don't have to go to the Toyota SC or cut throat workshops. Contis are so much better And more affordable.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 25 2012, 02:35 PM

power ok
reliability ok
down side - rear very very very bumpy.. jumping like van!

my x-company used to hav 1 up in genting.. used it up/down hill, ferry 9 staff to work in 1 load & now still going strong!!
btw its a 2006 - 1.3A

Agreed..just sold off my 1.5 avanza at rm45k year 2008..no prob with the car but i m
Upgrading..

basic 7 seater with comfort > van.
If TS need the space & bullet proof reliability, good choice

gd choice for reliability, but then the rest suck

fuel economy is not good, everything else is like a proton. The exora even have better NVH, haha

but its built to last and rugged, can carry heavy load but suspension very bumpy and bouncy

So basically a Nissan Vanette for more money.

worth. coz 32k. next time sell also won't lose alot money.

FC not that gooding nia

Why all say avanza FC not good I saw on a magazine avanza is top 5 good FC making about 6-7L per 100km

6-7L per 100km is too low bro, thats like viva/savvy fc

Hm. Why is that of any concern anyway? I mean FC and resale value? I'd rather buy a car that is better and more affordable in the first place. If I save 15k over the Avanza, for a better car, I have lots to cover up for a loss in resale value (which isn't that great anyway because the car was already bought for a very low price... does it matter if an old Saga is from 1990 or 1993? The resale value has hit rock bottom already, there is not much more it can go down). To cover up for higher fuel consumption. To pay for imaginary higher maintenance costs. Plus I get a car that protects me in case of an accident.

6-7 liter? I've driven the Estima sized Ford Galaxy 1.6 TDCI (manual) at 7-8l/100 km, and the VW Touran 1.9 TDI also at 7-8l/100 km. But average speed was around 170 in the Galaxy and 180 in the Touran. The Golf 1.6 TDI can easily do <5 liter/100 km. Diesel ftw

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 25 2012, 09:41 PM

U cannot compare front wheel with rear wheel . FD car need more torq n fuel to move that why u can see avanza carrying full load 7 ppl still can get up genting easily

Any car fully occupied also can go up genting easily la
I've borrowed my brother avanza 1.3 manual last year for 3weeks+ when he go to Mecca
The fc is similar to my 4g18p waja which is around 9.5L/100km

If the test is carried on highway no jam and at 80km/h constantly then can believe la, my 1.3 auto campro also can get 7.8L/100km

In everyday city usage, 6-7L/100km is hard, diesel and hybrid can

This post has been edited by neo1point3: Nov 26 2012, 01:07 AM

how hard? mine can chunk out 450~500km per RM70, that's about 7.3L/100km

u sure u own a car now ? u saying anycar with full load can go genting easily ?? u are f***ing bullshit to others ppl here .. clearly your avanza FC as u claim is either u are driving like crazy .. if a full load car going up genting need to press the pedal all out u also saying easy than i got nothing to say .. u try to take any standard car with same cc with avanza take full load 5 adult compare with avanza 7 adult go up genting than u come back say to me .. which 1 is easy .. i have try 1.5 avanza auto 7 adult + 4 children .. up genting and that avanza is a second hand mpv .. reason got so many people in that mpv is bcos during that trip 1 wira got problem need to park the car at cable car station ..

u are saying your brother 1.3 avanza same fc with ur waja .. and yet u claim fc is not good .. and that avanza is 1.3 compare to ur waja ? and the weight of both ?

with rm500/monthly instalment, is it better to buy brand new alza rather than buy used avanza?

if you can find one with good price, you can go for it. Change the absorber to those good quality ones after you buy. I have changed mine to better quality absorber and the ride is much better.

A kancil with fully loaded also can go up genting la, u think they rev redline all the way up to genting ka?

I was only talking about fc, and you here reply me with performance for what.....

Yea, my waja fc not great why? My daily route to work in pj while using avanza 3 weeks the fc is similar to my waja

I have nothing againts avanza, i just share my fc of using avanza for 3 weeks in PJ city

To answer ts question, if you are on a tight budget, avanza is the best

This post has been edited by neo1point3: Nov 26 2012, 04:14 PM

Kancil full loaded going up Genting better take cable car lo .. From ur statement already show avanza FC is not bad .. But yet u at first told TS the FC is bad .. Is it bcos it a Toyota ? As I say avanza rated top 5 fuel efficiency yet u say cannot be . Than when some owner voice they can achieved 6-7 L per 100km u keep silent . Now u say if TS on tight budget avanza is the best ..

look back at my post, I never say avanza fc is bad maa...just that i cannot achieve like what other owner got

If tight budget and need 7 seater, then avanza lo...i dont want suggest ts old mpv from the 90's or van. Rush is too small for 7 seater. Want to suggest exora cps also scared anti-proton come flame me

Ok lo my wrong to accuse u sorry ah

which abs u changed to?

My MPV is from 2005. A bit of wear and tear, but otherwise no problems. It is also much cheaper (nowadays) than the Avanza, the ride is perfectly fine even for the 3rd row, also when driving over speed bumps. I find it more comfortable than the Alza 3rd row, and much more comfortable than Touran 3rd row (mainly because of space and seating position, also the suspension + tyre combo is too stiff on the Touran). Feels more solid, has a much better safety rating (4 star EuroNCAP vs 3 star CNCAP (China NCAP, they test at lower speeds so that their fake cars don't get horrible ratings ). Great service center and affordable spare parts. Very easy to get into because of low floor, high roof, sliding doors. You would have to pay me to drive an Avanza instead. Pay me a lot. Then again I'm used to driving contis.

So no, I don't think the Avanza is a sensible option if you are on a budget.

Fc? I drive 1.3 manual 2005 model. Rm70 can easily get 500-550km at speed over 80km/h. Am not selling mine.

c all d forumer is giving a nice coment here... mind to share d resell price for avanza 1.3A/m o 1.5A ... im interest to ger a used one also ... by d ways which year of make d car got less problem on d gear box since i got some forumer on cari state d their gearbox on auto spoil already .... thank you

sorry bro ste is 07= 7 year car is 2005 ....

Ermm I'm also looking for used card which year make of d avanza got less gear box auto problem

How is the suspension compared to Rusa? Driven a Rusa today (in the back a few times, super bumpy, feels like the NASA is using the car to train astronauts for zero gravity flights...), surprisingly even for the driver it is like that. Left the seat while slowly going over a speed bump, in my Kangoo I can drive over that one at much higher speeds and not feel much. Even the steering occasionally feels light while driving over bumpy roads. Unbelievable.

i test drive d avanza used car 2005 1.3a ... feel quit ok with d bumpy maybe im always drive a nissan c22.... and my old 1.3 saga 15 year old car .... looking for it since it can be a family car+ sending some product to my customer :>..... any idea which year make of avanza for improvement in gearbox since im googling around d 1.3a got gearbox problem in cari forum

wat brand suspension u change?


m also interested to buy 2nd hand avanza. 1.3liter manual. mayb roughly around 25k + 5k (replacing wear n tear parts + trasnfer n insurance fees).

not interested wit auto.. drove toyota harrier d, although its super comfort n big capacity engine, but d trhottle respon sucks to max..

25000 Wat year of avanza can't get since last time I call d most cheapest agent in my place 7year ava Anza 1.3 manual also rm28000

I'm also in looking for 2nd hand Avanza 1.3 manual.

when looking at the mileage.. at what miles should I be wary of the timing chains?

OK, I see.

There are other, IMHO better options that are more affordable, better designed, engineered and built options.

The Vanette is not particularly good IIRC.

Today I could try the third row in the Alza. Actually acceptable if you are smaller than 1,65 or 1,70. After a while a bit uncomfortable, but better than Touran. Suspension is also OK, not bumpy. I still prefer my Kangoo, but the Alza is also not too bad.

The Avanza was built for the third world by third world engineers. That is not a good sign. That it did poorly in the very lenient Chinese crash test is also a bad sign.

ermm..... seem got lof of bad coment in this ...

... b'cos real owners with right expectation are using their Avz practically and happily. Oso most of them are mature, lazy to argue with keyboard warrior lol.
Another thing is Fast & Furious here ma, of cos no place for cars like Avanza lo.... if u choose to believe those -ve comments, oso up to u lo, Avz owners have nothing to lost anyway...hehe

Only I am critical of the Avanza in this thread.

Why not buy something else? If you want a proper Toyota, get the Alza. Developed and designed by Toyota, for Japan. Avanza is done by some Indonesian engineers, for Indonesia, as a cheap transport, without putting any focus on safety. It should hopefully be reliable, although the handbrake button which seems to fall off after a short while is a bit worrying. But probably not so many affected.

Anyway I am driving a Kangoo. Not exactly a racing car, is it? But direct competitor to the Avanza... sort of. I quickly ruled out the Avanza when I was looking for a MPV. Stability, ride, intended audience (Europeans vs Indonesians... also as a European myself I am quite familiar with seeing Kangoos around, being used as family car. I know that Renault puts a strong focus on safety, that's what they are known for).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 2 2012, 11:01 PM

I'm just shop a used avanza 1.3 m 2007....used for week already quit ok with it.

buy from owner lo. 25-30k is fair value of d car.

year 05-06

hows s spare part for kango?

btw, a rough google in mudah, shows most 2nd hand r from company car. guess d condition r pretty bad since its company car.

n also issit 3 row car or 2 row? coz i see d pic, its 2 row.. d back like for storage?

I forgot what kind of absorber I changed. I am not really car enthusiast. I went to this shop in kepong. Found the contact from online. This guy used to post a lot in this forum selling car parts but nowadays he is less active probably due to business is good. His nick is zendengohzendengoh. The absorber I changes is mid range only. I didn't want to invest too much into cars. I could have changed to better absorber and spring. Then ride would be sweet. But I ops for mid-range solution. Price/performance.

The car itself is okay. I have changes some engine parts...some five ring or something..I forgot the exact name. You know lah..those Ah beng shops and their pronunciation is really off. Also replaced the alternator before. My car is already 7 years old and still okay. If it's proton, I am sure it is already time to change. I owned proton before, so I would know. Sure, it's not great car...it used to be top cheapest SUV where it was once a popular stolen car. Since then a lot of other brands already came out with better offer. However, toyota is known for their reliability. It is not perfect (some parts replaced) but it is a good combination of price, fc (1.3liter only) and service. I can't say the same for p1 or p2. At least for me, I send all my services to Toyota. They will check everything nicely and tell me what's wrong. When parts need to be changed, I do it in Ah beng shop with ori parts. Save me tons. It's a family car and suv/mpv. Definitely not for people who want powerful ride.

yup... d avanza is for a mpv family car used and carry some item... if u wan a very comfort ride and a power hungry car better take other.....

ic. understood. not looking for performance but comfort.

There are a few petrol 1.4 auto that are non commercial. I bought one that was used as a family car, great condition, 5 years old, 25k. Always serviced at the SC, always on time.

The manual 1.5 diesel has better performance and is very economic, but was only sold commercially

Spare parts are ok IF you can get them from Singapore. Then you can chose between original and non-original, and prices are much better than in Malaysia. Also almost everything got stock. If you have to get through TCEAS you may have to wait, to be honest. So ideally you have contacts in SG or can travel there. Otherwise an Avanza may be a wiser choice, not sure.

2 row, with an optional 3rd row bench. Some cars have it, some not. You can remove the bench to make more space, but reinstalling can be difficult if the screw drops (I asked the SC to weld them to the car... ).


The car can lean a bit in corners (if you drive fast), and there is oversteering if you really push it (I do have Michelin XM2, which are rather rubbish for fast driving). But I find the handling to be rather unterrifying and comfortable, even at 140-150. The gearbox is of the "what on earth is it thinking" sort (Renault claims it is intelligent and learns... must be a mentally challenged one), and being a 4 speed performance is... well, it's not a sports car. I drive it pretty hard and get around 10-11l/100km, but I often accelerate full throttle (and usually I'm the fastest). The Kangoo has 75 hp. Don't expect it to be fast... top speed probably 140-150. But it won't scare you at those speeds.

The Alza is quieter, but less comfortable.

It was also designed to be easy to maintain and repair, changing the wing mirror can be done in a minute, with only one screwdriver. Plastics are robust, but feel a bit cheap.

I have heard many positive comments by passengers, and all the critical comments by family uncles and aunties died down once they have been passenger. Even people who drive VW or BMW. Girls also seem to like it... the design. It's cute. (Well, Australian girls anyway). Some passengers consider buying one.

In any case all I am suggesting is finding one and test driving it. Also do the same with the Avanza and whatever other options there are (Fiat Multipla? Well, if you are blind anyway). The Kangoo is very popular in Europe, not just with companies. If you prefer the Avanza, by all means get one. Just don't think the Avanza is the only option on the market.

Hm. I can list what I have changed. Owned it for 2 years now, bought when it was 5 years old (with 80k on the clock, now 105k).

At 80k catalytic converter was replaced by a not so good, not original one. More like a silencer . Original ones are damn expensive. Around 7k Paid way less than that (didn't know I could go to SG back then, maybe otherwise it would have been more affordable.) Auto gearbox btw. around 6k, but I haven't had to change it. The pump for the front windscreen washer was already broken when I bought it, replaced it. Only part I ever bought from the SC (previous owner agreed to pay). At 90k the motor for the central locking in the boot failed, got one for like 30 SGD from a Singaporean chop shop. Also some rubber parts to keep the steering and suspension system clean were replaced. At 100k rear brake cylinder and the thing that presses against the drum were replaced, front brake pads also. Engine mounting and gearbox mounting. Absorbers changed (I think... small parts? Rubber IIRC? Not the big shock absorbers). Power steering switch changed (raises the idle when full lock... not really necessary to change). All changes except for the catalytic converter were done at the SC, they give me the parts number so I can look for parts elsewhere. Sometimes original, sometimes not, they don't mind (and non original can be much cheaper). I also have the private phone number of the service advisor, so whenever there is something I can contact him directly.

I think these things are all rather reasonable, especially since I do make use of the decent suspension. I don't go like a snail over speed bumps for example. There is no need to. In the Rusa I take off at 10 km/h, in my car 20 km/h not even uncomfortable. Up and down, that's all.

Btw. when new the Kangoo was around 70+k, so a bit more than the Avanza at the same time. There are some with a rather nice looking leather. If possible also look for a unit with the 2nd row aircon blower. You'll want it. Really. I do.

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Added on December 3, 2012, 10:25 pmWhat do you mean? You drove an Avanza for a week, and are already fed up with it?

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 3 2012, 10:25 PM

nice info. not really like d kangoo design, but d practical part of it seems awesome.

is there more info on chop shop/service centre / 3rd party workshop/china brand replacement parts for renault around kl area?

m gettin a mpv most probably next year.

d catalysic convertor is really nesscary? cannot direct throw away? i knew some car threw it away. not sure ab kanggo though.

thinkin to swap in carburetor to replace injection since alot prob heard alot sensors problem..lol

yes i do buy a used avanza 1.3m at rm26800 2006 car... quit ok from my friend he is upgrade d car

Sorry for the late reply. Was quite busy.

I know there is a non-official SC in KL that is supposed to be really good. Can't remember which one though (there shouldn't be too many Renault oriented ones...). Maybe they'll also know more about spare parts in KL. Btw. the OEM ones are not necessarily from China, I also have German made non-original parts for example. Well, at least by German brands, where they are actually produced...

Do test drive it, and see how you like it. You can also look at the ads they ran in Europe, some are rather funny.

The car can drive without the catalytic converter, however the exhaust gases will be quite bad for the environment and others. So if possible please do have one. Maybe if I find an affordable one I'll refit it...

I don't have any engine problems. Had more problems with carburetors than with modern engines, and that's despite not even having owned one. I only see downsides to carburetors. If you do want to change the engine... the Waja 1.8X has an engine that was used in the Clio II, and the Kangoo is very much based on that one. If you like speed the 170 hp 2.0 from the Clio Williams will fit. Also possible should be the 1.2 from the Proton Savvy, actually the 1.4 used in the Kangoo in Malaysia was in other countries replaced by the 1.2. My favorite would probably be the 1.5 diesel (apart from the 2.0 of course). Frugal, should be long lasting. My old Renault diesel had 255k on the clock when I sold it, and the engine was still going strong.

@Kenny: Congrats! That price sounds rather low for an Avanza. Manual somemore...

yup d price is really lowwer thenmarket price ..

any ida the new avanza price now for 1.5e n wat offer now

Avanza really can feels the car as bumpy ride all the road. TS you might be reconsider others car.

What I saw and feel sad to the owner.

won't the new avanza already soft it

just change the absorber will solve this problem. No need to feel sorry. Most typical drivers doesn't know or care about this as driver's side doesn't feel this. This is considered minor problem compared to getting a car with gearbox problem or engine not reliable after 5 years and so on. Look at that kangoo..7k for parts not even the original.

I also see old wira/waja when cross bump bounce like crazy. Then again, some changed their absorber to super powderful where they can pass speed bumps at high speed also no problem. So I should feel sorry for the bump for being abused?

This post has been edited by abubin: Jul 10 2013, 11:47 AM

ermm hear sa told got improvement on new avanza

What? 7k for parts? Where? Only the catalytic converter is that expensive, and that is an original part. Aftermarket or from SG I would probably have gotten a much better price. I don't think I spent 7k for parts in 3 years... probably more like 2k or so. Wear and tear lah. I think gearbox they told me was like 3 or 4k... I don't think you'd spend less on other brands.

No problems with engine reliability or the gearbox, and the car is 8 years old now. Why can't the bloody gearbox die?!

let me repeat the wonder prices of UMW here also

RM3k for ONE drive shaft and RM1.5k for ONE shock

And don't forget that awesome handbrake button.

Before getting a new Avanza I would look at the Alza, Exora, Grand Livina, Freed and Eastar first.

oh..ok ok..you just quoting the prices. As long as car reliable then it should be fine. Doesn't matter it's what brand.

and I agree..there are a lot of other better brand than avanza in the market now. Especially for secondhand cars...it really depend a lot on how the owner take care of the car.

Yup. I agree. And TC (like most SC probably) will wring you out when buying parts from them, luckily their workmanship isn't expensive though.

Most important though is the previous owner (and you yourself as an owner). Always service properly on time, always replace parts on time, how they drove, ...

hand brake button broken? no worries, plenty of bricks lying around on the road to stop your beloved avancai from rolling away

ermm ... wan 2 ask if end year 2012 how much discount on avanza ..????since im planing to take end year car ... new house will be ready on sep/oct..

LOL...my avanza's handbrake button also broken. But that is due to my own fault. When I take my bag from left passenger seat, I accidently hit my bag on the button. So the button broke. Luckily not the whole button is broken. I still can use the handbroke without problem.

how much UMW wants you to pay to fix it?

This post has been edited by EP6CDTM: Jul 11 2013, 05:06 PM

Isn't there someone in the handbrake thread offering replacement buttons at a reasonable price?

But I wonder if this is the famous Toyota quality... while this may happen with other cars too, it's probably nowhere near as common as with the Avanza. If it was Proton...

ermm exora my friend 5 also complain..