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post Nov 19 2012, 10:37 AM

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There is no set criteria to market a cow as "Wagyu." As long as the cow has some origin that can be traced back to Japan, an exporter can market it as Wagyu liao, example I take one cow from Japan, cross breed it with local cow and then just let it go roam in the fields like any other cow.

That's why when you go Cold Storage and see the "Wagyu Rib Eye," the marbling hardly looks any different from normal beef.

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... as compared to 'proper' wagyu/kobe:

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More reading here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2...-kobe-beef-lie/
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post Nov 19 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 19 2012, 10:42 AM)
is it? then why there such thing as Australia Wagyu and US Wagyu?
http://www.uidaho.edu/uirp/tenants/americanwagyu
http://wagyu.une.edu.au/

Example the link you gave for American Wagyu, it says "WAGYU Breed History in USA Wagyu cattle were first imported in 1975 when two black and two red bulls were imported Morris Whitney. " i.e. the origins of these beef is from Japan.

What I meant is the lack of any "standards." Importer A can use those "purebreed" Wagyu cows from Japan and raise their cattle (almost) exactly the same way the Japanese do it. Then you get nice meat that could be very similar to what you get in Japan. But Importer B could take one wagyu cow, crossbreed it with ten other local cows, and raise it like any other cow. Then you get a meat that hardly looks/feels/tastes like Japanese Kobe beef. But Importer B can still market this beef as Wagyu.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that because of this lack of standards, some wagyu beef can be wildly inferior to others.
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post Nov 19 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 19 2012, 11:21 AM)
wagyu is wagyu, unless u r saying american wagyu and australian wagyu is lack of standard as japanese ones.

Go and see for yourself lor. Go cold storage or any supermarket that sells 'cheap' wagyu and look at the (lack of) marbling on the meat. Then go to a specialty butcher that sells the expensive stuff (or search for pictures online), look at the difference and then come and tell us whether you still believe that wagyu is wagyu.

Also for your reading pleasure: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2...arifications/2/

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So what do I get when buy Wagyu in the U.S.? Unfortunately, the term has little if any precise definition in this country. Honest to goodness full-blooded cattle from different Japanese or Wagyu breeds have been exported to this country in the past for breeding, before the ban. Some well-intentioned farmers have maintained these bloodlines in 100% pure forms, with the documentation to proceve it, and these would be the ones to seek out. But most have not. Even the term Purebred Wagyu, used by the American Wagyu Association, does not refer to a wholly pure animal. Their term for that is 100% Wagyu. However much of what is sold as Wagyu here is what the AWA calls “percentage Wagyu” meaning it is part Japanese breed after being crossed with other types of cattle. In some cases, the “purity” of the Wagyu line goes back two generations, and the percentage Wagyu is the grandchildren of the Wagyu after cross-breeding. So the products sold under the Wagyu name in the U.S. vary widely. Also, these terms, 100% Wagyu, Purebred Wagyu, and Percentage Wagyu are constructs of the AWA, a trade group, for marketing purposes, not legal definitions. When you see Wagyu, it might be 100% of a Japanese breed, like that used for Kobe beef, or it might be much less. Unless you are in direct contact with the breeder, it can be impossible to ascertain either the breed or the Wagyu content.


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