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post Nov 14 2012, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 14 2012, 11:22 PM)
GC cable not nessasary need large diameter. Why nowadays all is called "multi-point grouding cable'?

Those GC cable main purpose is not carry high cuurent only, it actually connect the particular point and make it "fully grouded', AKA 0v. Ori car normally just have 1 or 2 grouding points from battery terminal to car body at the engine bay. Means our car body is actually in ground potential (0v) from +ve point of view. But does it really @ ground for whole chassis if the grouding point is at, let say th front of engine bay? The answer is NO.

Car body is constructed from joining all the panel. So from panel to panel, all are connected by bolt, and panel is not a perfect conductor. So when we connect, let say audio amp, normally shop will connect negative terminal to car body at cabin. However car body @ cabin is not nessasary equal to 0v, due to panel to panel resistance and resstance of the pnel itself. So when current flow from battery +ve to amp and loop back to battery -ve through car body, voltage drop exist across the panel, let say 1 volt voltage drop across the panel, means now from the point of view of amp +ve terminal refer to amp -ve terminal, the effective voltage across the amp is just 11v, as 1v is drop by panel, result? amp is not running at optimum level, therefore performance will drop. Imagine if all the electrical devices in car such as spark plug, lamp etc also use this kind of connection, what will happen is the performance will reduce.

Therefore this is where the GC play its role. By connect all those GC from battery -ve terminal directly to multi points such as engine block, firewall etc, is to make that point directly grounded same as battery -ve to ensure the ground current can loop back to -ve as short as possible, so that voltage drop across ground loop is eliminate and ensure electrical devices to run @ max performance.

So even our stock ground cable is huge ass cable also useless if the grouding point is just at one particular point.

In simple word, the correct way to connect in car electrical device is connect -ve to battery -ve directly by wire rather than connect to car body, this is what assesories shop refuse to do due to extra cable cost, let say if ur amp is located @ boot. laugh.gif
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so from ur point of view, thickness if cable is negligible? the conductive level too? say some use copper, some say platinum coated, so gold plated and whatsoever, some say china steel, or cap ayam metal...consider ok la? janji it is pointing towards the -ve terminal? no matter is 5 - 1 - -ve or 5 - -ve? janji ada connected is ok jor? hmm.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Nov 14 2012, 11:34 PM)
i think we missed out the important point which is purity of the copper
of course if we rich can try use 100% silver? hmm.gif
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purity of material is about conductivity of the cables already.

im curious. GC isit all about getting a perfect screw point and tag it towards the -ve terminal, or there is some must-follow-or-you-will-fail theory behind? hmm.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(noircharacter @ Nov 14 2012, 11:39 PM)
You don't sell armrest ka Siuyi? Or anyone who sell that type? Wanna start asking around brows.gif
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if i sell everything, i should be opening a shop now...

http://www.mudah.my/SAGA+BLM+Genuine+Leath...der-7755526.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Saga+BLM+Carbon+Armrest-18766950.htm

but that hugo kajang, dun even think of going there.they just post for fun, tricking u to their shop and hey, no stock bro. then u walk around get other things..their marketing strategy. and dun bother calling them, as they will pick up ur call, say hello for 5 times, then hung it. so-called busy or no line..i saw them doing that lastime when i visited them. 5 workers sitting around the table, the phone rang, twice, then picked up hello 5 times, "tak boleh dengar", hung up. doh.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(eltonloo84 @ Nov 14 2012, 11:43 PM)
GC point is not connect likely actually. Normally working point will be engine body, alternator body, firewall, gearbox (auto), if there is extra cable can go to left/right/front body. After install those cable, feel the engine very smooth and quiet. If connect to body, sound system will improve so so much. Never try never know, once you try my Edge installed car you will get all your answer you want from the car not me.
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bro u macam tak paham my question leh..tak terjawab my question.i know GC have to connect to the correct part for better input and output. what im asking here is does the thickness, purity, material and direct connection or indirect connection to the -ve terminal a factor of reducing the GC's performance or not.
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 14 2012, 11:46 PM)
My 1st charge, only the VS without the battery. As soon as I disconnect the VS from the charger, it quickly discharge by itself.

My 2nd charge, I attached the VS on my car battery, and charge both together with the static charger. After 2 hours, even I disconnect the static charger, the VS does not quickly discharge as it hold by the power of the car battery.
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so 1st case is, battery makan ur VS power. 2nd case is VS and battery both equilibrium state. then? blink.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 11:55 PM

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ayam sadding..no one answer mah noob quesen.
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(eltonloo84 @ Nov 14 2012, 11:59 PM)
haha,
what im asking here is does the thickness, purity, material and direct connection or indirect connection to the -ve terminal a factor of reducing the GC's performance or not?

this question from coolkwc not you my friend. Read clearly what you write yourself 1st. And read post 261#
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i cannot brain liaw what u are trying to tell me. those are my questions and u quoted them here again.. rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:03 AM)
Then ma story end lo, bcoz both VS and bat3 also will self discharge de ma nod.gif
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then how u can make ur VS become so responsive leh? by charging it inb4 u race?

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post Nov 15 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 15 2012, 12:07 AM)
I use phone to type all this, so i can't draw, u just try to imagine.

1. from +ve batt cable to device +ve, device -ve cable to panel A, grounding cable from panel A to -ve of batt.

so now voltage drop is exist in cable from +ve batt to device, cable from device -ve to panel A, and grouding cable from panel A to -ve of batt. You see, actually ur whole connection about this device involve 3 cable system, grouding cable is just one out of 3 cables from these system. Let say all these 3 cable is same material and lenght, and voltage drop due to resistance of these cable is 0.5v each cable, means effective voltage for device is just 12-(0.5x3) = 10.5v.

Now u try to improve groudin cable, which i told, one out of 3 total cable, u use the highest grade and very thick cable for that, what u do is u successfully reduce until 0v for this cable, means now ur device effective voltage will increase by 0.5v to 11v, therefore performance improved.

So how about left over 2 cables?? Well, u can change to same grade as used in GC too, but the cons is expensive and impractical.

Like what i said just now, eliminate groudin cable, and connect device -ve directly to -ve battery, while upgrade whole cabling sytem using better quality cable also can improve performance significantly.

If u understand what i said, a electrical device connection is just a loop, GC is just a terms to diffentiate it potential is at "ground" from -ve, thats all. laugh.gif

Theory finish, quick answer to ur question.
1. Thickness, material and lenght does affect.
2. 5-(-) batt is way better than 5-1-batt, now u are now bikin extractor wei laugh.gif
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ok. sudah paham. kekeliruan cleared. so ur actually ur statement fits my common understanding. always a direct connection is better than an indirect when it comes to electric till to resistance. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 15 2012, 12:11 AM)
U reminded me why I study IT instead of engineering  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif It's like studying my Basic Electronics textbook again

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and im in the forestry field..u insulted me. vmad.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:14 AM)
I'm at the exact opposite side, my lecturer said I should have gone engineer instead of computer science because I brain in PICTURE. If you know what I mean, you start to draw diagram in your mind from what coolkwc wrote, then its easy to understand sleep.gif
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it is 12midnight..i got quite a small hard time to brain what he is trying to explain actually. hahahahahaha biggrin.gif
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post Nov 15 2012, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 15 2012, 12:17 AM)
How insulted u wor  blink.gif I choose IT because my maths epic fail. If I become an automotive engineer and work in Proton, you car explode dy  doh.gif

You choose your major for different reasons ma  shakehead.gif
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joking only mar..so serious for what.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:18 AM)
I don't know blink.gif I reach magician in the morning, as I told him about sg999 case, he started to explain the VS thingy, then suddenly the "training" program struck my mind. Therefore we train the VS and the result lasted until just now I got home blink.gif

Anyway, if tomolo it become lag again, then my theory of training wouldn't work liao yawn.gif
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then u inform me when it doesnt last after 3 days of driving. il like to see how a responsive VS can be practice out.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 15 2012, 12:41 AM)
The trouble is, I don't drive that car often laugh.gif So, its haily possible by tomolo the VS ady drained/normalized by the battery liao doh.gif
Refer the above, I guess the real effect is the huge ass welding cable that provide stable current that can charge up the VS every day, that's what I have in mind and wanted to make it my priority hmm.gif
1) Last month I draw a diagram, get the electronic shop unker make me a set of delayed key ring light timer+auto off with key switch, I burnt a few strip of LED with that useless board, thats exactly the same day kenjilew come ask me whether my "project" success sleep.gif

2) Last week, I submitted my 2nd draft of diagram to the unker, make me another set of delayed key ring light timer+auto off with key switch, I set the board on fire doh.gif luckily got fire extinguisher sweat.gif

So, you and me both Ipork home boi open a shop, then I go and burn other people's bulbs and set their car on fire whilst you're trying to fix it doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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i LOL on keyring led dimmer. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 16 2012, 05:52 PM)
ECU remap ar rolleyes.gif
Car can go faster ar brows.gif
Save petrol ar shocking.gif

The answer is, we've got it all covered!!!!! Depends what mode you choose. We have 6 different presets that can suite your driving style. Few of these people need our product. It's a NEED!!!

1) When you wanted to rev high up, catching up some bastards that trying to race you, how you wish there's a switch for you to turn your car into sport mode. You need our product!!!
2) Sometimes you're wondering, why in the hell both me and my friend same make/model, same year production, similar mileage car, but he's car consume less petrol? You're trying your best to control your right foot, but then the car just wouldn't go and make you step harder and there goes your petrol. You need our product!!!
3) You've been driving like a numb nut since you got your driving license, but recently AES catching up pretty bad and bored a hole in your wallet. You need something to discipline your driving from aggressive to gentle. Now you wish there's a switch for you to turn the car from sport mode to unker mode. You need our product!!!
4) You're neither a racer nor unker, you just hope the sluggish throttle feeling go off. We all agreed that Plotong did a pissed poor job on the engine response. We have preset just right for this kind of driver. You need our product!!!
5) Last but not least, you wish the car have more bling-bling in the cockpit, so it looks like a fighter jet. The user control interface will project preset information/voltage display in LED that makes your car look exactly like a space shuttle. You need our product!!!

There's 5 type of drivers in the world. Regardless who are you, how old are you. You need our product!!! Quick! While stock last!

Meanwhile! We're doing promotion right now for early birds. First 50 customers only! Buy 1 free 1. icon_idea.gif
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so it is free with every purchase of a recycled plastic bag from tesco?
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post Nov 17 2012, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(daMieNyuZry @ Nov 17 2012, 08:58 PM)
Uncle david said will sagat and the worst part the shop kaki tipu...so, cancel my intention to buy...
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huai u so believe in what unker dabid said? listen to my advice, 55 tyre will sagat.



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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 18 2012, 10:20 AM)
Hey guys....any VS is quite good for saga flx?....is it eric selling will be better?...or  EDGE VS Car Voltage Stabilizer ?^^anyone cna give me some suggestion?
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actually both are relatively good. u buy both, if u tried them and found 1 of it not so good, sell to me 50% price. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 18 2012, 11:29 AM)
haha.....erm.....^^i dont have so much money....^^to buy both...erm..i buy pivot mega raizin..after 2 yrs i use then i give you..^^all cap lifespan is 2 yrs...^^


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haha.....erm.....^^i dont have so much money....^^to buy both...erm..i buy pivot mega raizin..after 2 yrs i use then i give you..^^all cap lifespan is 2 yrs...^^
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all caps life span 2 years? from where u read those? 1st time i heard wor.

QUOTE(dares @ Nov 18 2012, 11:44 AM)
nie confem scammer sleep.gif
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kalau bagi u, u mau tak? brows.gif
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QUOTE(alister88 @ Nov 18 2012, 08:48 PM)
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airbags expired when it explodes out.
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if im not wrong, airbags can only tahan 5 - 8 years, depend on cars. if over that period, the dashboard there will have a flashing/blinking airbag signal, ask u to check ur airbag stuff like that. expired airbags can still pop out during accidents, just that it might not pump up as usual or becomes powderish.
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QUOTE(alister88 @ Nov 18 2012, 10:15 PM)
but in malaysia with such PMS weather, I think its kinda hard to maintain the Airbag. Cold, Hot, Humid... causing the bag gets thinner and thinner i guess...
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seriously u do not maintain the airbags, as it is like a tear and wear part. even if u dun explode it at all, after the expiry date, the airbag will just degrade. if im not wrong, proton cars (i mean common ones) have cheaper airbags when it come to replacing a new airbag. hmm.gif

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