Hi guys,

As u know, i'm the lone wolf on the EU servers running my DH solo on act 3 repeatedly. Farming does get dull at times and i think if i were to roll on the US server, i'll just be a hero to do ubers for fun or helping out starters. Definitely no paragon farming.

So i've started selling items (mostly my monk and wiz items plus a page of legendaries which mostly can fetch u 3GBP on average. I hope) on the RMAH since the GAH in EU is a slow moving one and crap don't really sell well on the GAH anyways.

I think i'm able to raise close to 250GBP if i do sell all of them. Probably gonna take me weeks to do so.

Anyway, 250GBP = approximately 650mil as gold is selling for 0.36 to 0.38GBP per million.

I have no idea how the US market is like and how the prices are on there but one thing i know is US prices are cheaper compared to the EU prices. SO my question now would be what class can i roll with 650mil on the US server that would give me the best or say closest to end game gears.

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 3 2012, 11:53 PM

barb

barb? barb end game gears are expensive. So i don't think i can make it with 650mil. Besides, if u're talking about a 50k dps WW barb that is able to do MP 8 or higher but dragging the entire fight, nah i'm not interested in that.

if barbs remain the way they are, i'd recommend a barb

im a MONK....but if i were not a DH when the game was released?...i definitely go BARB....and u definitely know WHY... ..

p/s: got a feeling im gonna get flame by fellow monks after this...

This post has been edited by sangtupperware: Nov 4 2012, 09:15 AM

650m is plenty for a 120k dps barb

not dex/str characters if price is your concern.

WD gears are the cheapest bar none.

Well, Monk or DH is a huge no for me. I don't wanna deal with DEX classes again.

I'm actually very tempted to play a MC wiz. But i'm not really sure how the gears are like or how much would i need to get them.

WD? Hmm, too messy. And i'm know close to nth about that hero.

I'll probably roll a MC wiz with Tyrael's might.

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 4 2012, 01:52 AM

barb
def: 5 star (best def)
dps: 4 star (dps 3 star but can dont stop hitting =.=)
eq: 5 star (int n dex share by 2 job, but barb ...)

MC wiz? you mean CM wiz as in critical mass wiz?

oh yeah, they sexy aite

650m no really enough for a god barb... The barb gears too expensive.... I have try many class too.. Now wizard LV 30 but I don't like it, WD LV 33 HC but I oso dont like it...barb LV 25 and I like it if enough strong..
Try barb and slowly build it. Barb is the top class in D3...

barb best... I believe a 100k dps barb outshines a 150k dps DH in terms of damaging creeps around the whole screen

but since u wanna do ubers then DH la... as a usefull ally against single targets like bosses

This post has been edited by wlcling: Nov 4 2012, 09:44 AM

go lvling barb..

Well thing is, 650mil DH on the EU server is probably a quite average. Can't do much with 650mil on a DH. DH gears are crazily expensive.

Don't really want to roll a barb cuz i just hate WW barbs.

I guess is down to WIZ and WD.

Can u roll a WD with Tyrael's Might on it? If i were to roll, i don't really want to follow the norm (zuni and stuff)

CM WIZ is expensive, as some of you may know i play one...

barb's the way to go atm if u dont consider future changes

How much needed for CM wiz? My DH gears are around 1 bil and yesterday a 90k DPS WW barb come tell me that i'm weak and i need to get better gears.

oh btw, u using Tyrael?

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 4 2012, 01:16 PM

If u ask people around here (including me) I would suggest a barb too.. but obviously since you already have an idea in mind (a wiz), then I think u might go for it.. most important is that you should enjoy what you're doing, fun is the most important factor after all

and also.. welcome to US server!

Honestly, i'm hoping Blizzard implement region transfers. Spoke to the GM and he was telling me that they are currently considering it as many students are complaining about this issue. Is all down to the developers aka Jay Wilson, Wyatt Chang and Co.

Well, i know barbs are the flavor here among most people but i want to be able to use Tyrael's Might on my next hero. I LOVE THAT ARMOR.

So barbs out there, is IK chest a must? I was thinking to combine Sever, 3spear and Tyrael if i roll a barb.

not sure why do you insist wizard with Tyrael's Might unless you're going for archon build compare to CM.

Cuz i have always wanted to use that armor but never found space for it on my DH. A CM can't use Tyrael?

its possible actually, been thinking about it as well comparing it with Zuni Marrow and Tyrael but it turns about as a CM, attack speed from Tal Rasha Relentless Pursuit boost its effectiveness alot more since upgrading IAS is much more important. However, the temptation is too hard to resist for the AR from Tyrael and also its damage boost against elites and demon.

Unless, you have other items (especially trifecta item, lol) to boost iAS then i think you can give Tyrael's Might a go.

Yeah i get u, the bonus from tyreal is just so tempting. Well, i'm drafting one in my head and hopefully early next month i get to implement it.

Maybe compensate the IAS of Tal Rasha on a mempo? I know most wiz doesn't use mempo.

How much is Slovak Madness with socket and base crit?

you want as much crit and ias for a cm build so you can perma cc the mobs which overall add dps (cold blooded)

and roll a barb i think wizard will get some major changes in the future since they already mention they dont like how wizard current works

This post has been edited by xiaosin: Nov 4 2012, 04:35 PM

The bonus is indeed tempting. Yeah, mempo seems viable (especially if you can get the one with CC )

Not sure about the Slovak madness but i recall there was once i saw a 2 socketed Slovak. Imagine if put 2 RAdiant star emerald. Epic damage.

I'm currently developing a living lightning CM build and try to perfect that build. So far so good. Gonna increase my CC instead of iAS.

I think a intel rolled mempo with CC should be cheap compared to the dex rolled ones. In the EU server, a dex rolled with CC is gonna be billions. So hopefully 200mil can net a intel rolled one. wishful thinking =)

Should be. I will check later for you once i finish with my presentation slide for my boss.

Alright. Thanks bro.

Lol, i'm abit itchy cos im in a state of trance mode right now

I've double check. On average most of them are priced at the level 120 mil-300 mil. The higher the CC, the crazier the price. Mempos are socketed as well.

Barbarian#1 most op class in d3.. With that gold, u can roll a min 130k dps and yes I am pretty good when it comes to barbarian class.. And yes u can use tyrael's might on barb (female class because it looks so stupid in male barb).. As the matter of fact, I am in transition changing my chest armor to tyrael's.. All in all, if u want to get all the end game gears and still dies few times in a run, roll a wiz.. If not, roll the super OP barb that jay Wilson loves so much..

the dps u guys mention if before buff?(without wotb and battle rage)

Unbuffed dps of course.. Without battle rage and wotb..

yeah...curious also... i see good bracer with high AR and 5-6 cc with stats (Str and vit) can go billions..not talking about other armors and 2 good weapons.

actually whats d main stat that buffs the most dmg?

ias or cdmg or ccrit? assume all at max roll.

definitely CD.

Funny thing, CC gives me the most damage followed by IAS. i'm talking 1 percent CC compared to 1 percent CD. haha. TROLLing

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 4 2012, 08:48 PM

thx,

means now i will filter cd priority..

what about crit and ias?which will gives more dmg?

and also, if i have low crit, will cdmg still give the most dmg output?

I dunno how it works on barbs but i was talking to a WW barb the other day. He told me IAS is the most important. Something about being able to crit. Well, don't take my word for it. Do some research and find out.

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Added on November 4, 2012, 11:46 pmI think u told me battle.net balance could be brought forward right when u make a region switch. Well guess what. not possible. So goodbye region switch unless i get to do a 3rd party transfer.

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 4 2012, 11:46 PM

Really depends on your build and skills.

For example, Wicked Wind CM wizard prefers iAS more than CC (given CD is substantial). My build though which is Living Legendary Lightning CM wizard emphasize more on CC compare to iAS cos the way living lightning does its damage is slightly quicker than Wicked Wind, not to mention its quite efficient aiming more enemies nearby compare to living lightning.

Always remember CD is dependable on CC. IF your CC is low, i find it pointless to have high CD, because the focus is to crit often.

barb is first choice if one were to roll anew.
with the same amount of gold, you can hv a very strong barb, and DH/Wizards are normal only.

if you have a >100k dps DH/Wiz it's normal
if you have >100k dps barb, it's godly enough to own at high MP ubers. a lot of ranged class friends which rolls high dps but they die very often too.
not to mention barb gears are cheaper compared to wizard gears/dh gears (last i know, not rly sure how far the market has changed now)

most ppl run ubers, they need barbs, monks for the buffs and shouts. ranged class doesnt really offer much in coop other than dps itself. (disclaimer: although there are realllly good dpsers out there i dont stereotype hehe...)

this one also i'm always confuse, some say unbuff is the damage on your char screen before buffing anything, some say its the damage without everything including passive...

unbuff..to me i think it would be the one on DiabloProgress web page, since that one removes everything rite? just ur pure damage without buff & passive....or am i wrong ?

yup.. not even include your passive.. either refer to diabloprogress, or remove all your active and even passive buff.. such as Ruthless/Weapon Master for barb

The term is supposed to be meant as ...unbuff active skills dps since passive skills which affect dps are always on.

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Nov 7 2012, 02:26 PM

Un-buff means your raw DPS which does not include active or passive.

I prefer to abide by blizz dps in-game standard rather than follow diabloprogress definition.

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Nov 7 2012, 02:44 PM

Well, i know barbs love their ruthless passive. Well, i think i get you in a way that you feel passives are not considered buffs.

Fair enough since you guys have the best passive in the form of ruthless.

We can always come up with another term ...raw dps then your dps definition applies that is minus active and passive skills.

Actually when you put it that way, you're kinda right in a way that passives should not be considered a buff since is something that is there 24/7. But then the D3 community have always went with naked raw DPS as un-buff DPS.

ermm..Fully buffed on char screen damage is what matter to me, as it is what we are dealing most of the time when fighting bosses/mobs. still wondering why some players needs to compared unbuffed dps with char screen dps as the unbuff isn't what the damage u'll be dealing. no offense to anyone though coz when mentioned DPS, most will start to ask...buffet or unbuffet...aiyoo..

Because sometimes DPS is a fake number and false sense of security. For example, a DH with steady aim passive. You need to have no enemies within 10 yards to gain a 20percent bonus damage and we know that that does not happen often in higher MP. So you are actually dealing less damage than the DPS shown.

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Added on November 7, 2012, 3:10 pmand to answer your question on why people ask un-buff or buff. Is because is human's nature to compete. This is why the D2 ladder system was so successful.

Gamers just want to know they are doing better or having a better score and so on. I guess is the sense of satisfaction or thrill. Is nothing personal actually.

This post has been edited by 2890: Nov 7 2012, 03:10 PM

^ fully agree to this. buffed dps is what matter most when it comes to fighting bosses/mobs.

say a 90k dps monk with MoC vs 100k dps monk with MoE (due to lower ehp or poor health regen mechanic in his gear), the 90k monk would produce more damage as compared to the 100k monk. but if compare purely based on dps, people might think 100k dps monk is better.

as for the unbuffed dps (or raw dps, where does not include active and passive skill), it's a reference to see how much amount of dps your GEAR gives you. it removes the class dependency so people can compare who's gear has better dps than others.

take another example from diabloprogress: the top 2 so called unbuffed dps - a dh with 500k dps and wiz with 461k dps. then check their profile:
bam. dh with 664k dps and wiz with 736k dps!!
obviously that dh has better dps gear but due to class it lost to wiz. so what does that mean? dh gear is expensive

This post has been edited by d3dragonslayer: Nov 7 2012, 05:08 PM

Man crazy gears on the Wiz esp the witching hour belt. Perfectly rolled.

Anyway, my aim here is too reach 350k DPS (with SA and Archery la) or 300K DPS (without SA) which one comes first.

uii..700k dps..crazy..uber bosses in sec/min...

very pro... i wonder how he fight siege breaker

i use to think 300-400k would be the limit, now i wonder how far a person can push (with survival gear def/offense, not fully offensive setup)...

700K...btw whats the highest damage output wizard skill ? if that skill do even 200-300% of your damage, would be around millions, if a barb can reach that 700K..imagine rend with 900%...sweet

haha yeah perhaps die in seconds..

anyway i found this today.. crazy wiz doing azmo MP10 in 41 seconds: