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PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V34, Edisi tikus ~ 过街老鼠 人人喊打 ~
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Nov 5 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 5 2012, 06:35 PM) lol....ABS still function just the ABS dont work well for me...i found out that Saga Blm even can brake easy than us FLX..... Hmm....I don't think that's ABS's fault, then. Side by side comparison between my FLX SE with my sister's prev gen Vios, both are ABS-equipped :Vios - bites later, but emergency braking (without activating ABS) distance is short, . FLX - bites sooner, therefore under normal braking it stops sooner. But when emergency braking without activating ABS, it suddenly becomes spongy and the braking distance is noticably longer. I attribute the FLX's longer braking distance to it's weaker brake pads or brake pump, not the ABS. Furthermore, the Vios is all 4 disc brakes. BUT, compared to Fofi, both loses in terms if bite and braking distance. I have activated my ABS while going over a tiny bump in the parking garage because I came in from the rain and the floor was wet The gist of it is....ABS should not be the culprit of your complaint This post has been edited by dares: Nov 5 2012, 07:49 PM |
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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 5 2012, 08:11 PM) ya....u are right...actually The abs is help us only when a slippery road condition or those dangerous road...the abs u can deactivate?....how o?...actually if we cna control the abs is very useful...if cant...on normal road ABS will lose to those no abs car... Like I said, the culprit is not likely to be the ABS. If you want conclusive results, do an emergency brake with ABS but without engagin the ABS, then remove the ABS fuse and do another emergency brake. See if there are any difference. Added on November 5, 2012, 10:23 pm QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 5 2012, 08:39 PM) just to kacau dares :-), many things need to consider even vehicle dynamic. However, if me, i just change to a better brake oil,pad n tyre. Why, coz major parts warranty still intact, cheapest, n for tyre, not only help to reduce braking distance, but for wet n dry traction during driving. Unless u need more brake power. Abs alone, abs with ba, with ebd, or couple with esp n traction cntrl give diff braking result. But most major part of course the rotor, size, types of disc, pads, all need to count b4 getting better braking power. Vehicle dynamic also contribute in such how the car react, the weight, down force n etc. You are not exactly disagreeing with me, I'd just re-iterate my argument that brake pads, brake pump and rotors are probably more influential to the braking dynamics.Dont get mad dares, just happy to see u in saga thread even u already upgrading :-). Thats truly friendship. Bye. Actually if you are proving me wrong, I would gladly defer to your opinion This post has been edited by dares: Nov 5 2012, 10:29 PM |
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Nov 5 2012, 10:25 PM
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Anyway, just to be clear, I am saying that ABS does not increase braking distance under braking conditions when ABS is not engaged. If you brake hard til ABS is engaged, needless to say the braking dynamics will be different.
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 6 2012, 06:05 AM) no lah dares, i completely agree with u,just add more factors into equation only. I said dont get mad bcoz i used the word 'to kacau dares'. I really afraid that i offended u with the word only :-) coz i never good in making jokes :-). I really happy that u keep in touch with those in saga thread. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 6 2012, 07:29 AM) 1st n foremost, i want to appologize to all if my words here isnt related to this thread. Just sharing my thought only. Original route which saga replacement will surface at 2014, underpinning the same platform with global small car project. Many cars being consider as benchmark such micra, fiesta,polo n etc, but still need futher consideration to proceed. Since drb took over, the direction only being revealed in the future n maybe diff from what had been planned b4 hand. Any insider news on the Proton-Honda collaboration details? Should we be expecting Proton cars with Honda tech or even outright rebadge?On how car was design n develop to comform with all standards n requirements, defer to each other depending on cash available, future sales prediction, man power, time, constraints n etc. Previously, prtn knows it had many adheres to face,in order to achieve its goal. While others enjoying can be consider as unlimited cash, man power n etc, but prtn just a small fry among the giants. While the japs can do better in crashtest development without relying too much on material choosen, with sales of millions per product life cycle, with billions to spend in rnd, they can make the cost lower per product. While prtn knows that they dont have as much as the japs, rectifying the crashtest development too many times is really a cost to consider coz normally, a handbuilt prototype can cost easily 1 million perunit. So, in order to achieve better in that dept, prtn need to consider most effective cost efficient method in development, but it really become a cost in car per unit, by opt for better n stronger material such hpf steel, which is expensive than uhtss, and this hpf also supposed to be in any prtn future cars in order to capitalised all the investment buying the machine. Make an ambitious design is an easy job for most designers, but meeting the engineering aspect plus limited cost is really hard. The best thing to do is to do a design which they know the best that conform with engineering aspect and cost targeted n feasibility to make into production without adding any additional cost that will exceeding original cost target. If cost is no object, then they dont have such limit to rectifying the design so many times after doing crashtest development until the engineering aspect can be blend into such design, not withstanding any design rules n regulations that need to follow. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 6 2012, 08:13 AM) and dares, i really afraid actually in any word i offended anyone, especially u n david, thats why i keep appologising if i use word that i rarely used. I hope to see our friendship blooming overtime. Sincere appology to all. Hopefully to see u all in the future. Regards...it times to depart anyway. Bye n farewell then. Everytime you appear I also Pls come back soon |
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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Nov 6 2012, 09:24 AM) Refer to YAB's Gaga engine below » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Added on November 6, 2012, 9:39 am QUOTE(GP mad man @ Nov 6 2012, 09:27 AM) GTFO NOOB!!!Added on November 6, 2012, 9:39 am QUOTE(GP mad man @ Nov 6 2012, 09:31 AM) Err....This post has been edited by dares: Nov 6 2012, 09:39 AM |
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