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 Genneva Malaysia V3, Raided on 1st Oct 2012.

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legiwei
post Oct 31 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(KentPhan @ Oct 31 2012, 05:35 PM)
Human is a complicated living creature. Not everybody has the same ability. Somebody are not that lucky, they were born without sensor of detecting scam.

Similarly, in school, one group of students take 10 seconds to understand a simple math formular, another group needs half day, and another group has no way to understand it no matter how.

BNM is reponsible for public interest protection as their claim. We are not expecting BNM does everything. We just want them to do their best.

If we accept what they have done so far is considered as the best, perhaps either we are too kind or we are too low standard.

Do think this seriously - there are people who really can't detect scam or insensitive to scam. Nothing to do with their greedy attidute.

In fact, most of us, perhaps all of us, are greedy to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Just that we were born with a better verson of natural scam detector.
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Well, I guess if you are a person who are unable to determine what you're going into is a scam or not, then, it's best for that person to stay away from it. Think about it, there are alot of other things out there that will entice you into putting your hard earn $$/precious time in promise for a good return. It could be MLM, direct selling, blindly investing into equity/debt/derivative instrument/structured products/unit trust/insurance, etc. The list just keeps going on. Till he gets it, it will jsut be another painful lesson to go through. Our regulators can only do so much and I must say there have been doing quite a great job so far.

It is indeed sad to see/say that the direction taken by the society of the world today in developing ourselves materially (concentrate gather $$) is probably a digression and is probably an inhibitator to development but this is an entire topic all together. Had we not develop such a social system that places empahsis on $$ so greatly, we might just have people with greater characters and less greedy. I stand to believe that the result of all the greed today is in a way a by product of the system that we've live in. Yes, humans might just be greedy by nature but our created system has definitely greatly amplified that effect.
legiwei
post Nov 2 2012, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Nov 2 2012, 08:23 AM)
Its just Genneva very lucky that Gold Price appreciate. But for the past 1 year, gold price stagnant. So how does Genneva
get money to pay hibah, commission and running cost of company?  rclxms.gif

I would say Genneva at best is gold betting company. Genneva bet the gold rise exponentially. And Genneva customer loan
money to Genneva to make the bet.  rclxms.gif
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Genneva hibah model is at 24% pa + commision to their consultants/agents at around 12% pa. That's a hefty 36% pa and we have yet to also include their overhead cost. So, gold will probably have to rise at about 40-50% pa just for their operation to be viable/profitable. We're also assuming that they will be able to sell their internally minted gold buillion to the open market at a price very close to the spot price (in the very unlikely event that the gold indeed does rise so substantially). Also, in the long run, what are the chances of this suceeding? Finally, this is a very stupid way to raise capital if indeed you do project gold to raise so substantially.

So yeah, Genneva's business is really nothing but a ponzi scheme.
legiwei
post Nov 2 2012, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Nov 2 2012, 09:03 AM)
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As everyone agreed, only 50% increase year over year can make Genneva profitable or else, Genneva become ponzi scheme that depend on new victim to put in money to survive.

But from 2007 until 2012, only 117% increase. If we forget about compounding, for 5 years, Genneva need the gold price to increase 250%.  rclxms.gif
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Something that I've forgotten to add on in my previous post, since the buyback clause is an option to be exercised at the discretion of the customer, if indeed gold do rise by 50% in that ever year, customer will have keep the gold instead selling it back to Genneva. So really, there is really no way Genneva to profit under this scenario either.

 

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