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zeusu
post Jan 3 2008, 09:28 PM

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Christine, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baker_Hughes

EMBO is a method SLB uses to distribute the taxes they operate all around the world. so wherever you go in the world, you only pay EMBO tax. so that's 19% of your salary + bonuses. In US & Europe, it'll be slightly different.
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post Jan 4 2008, 03:28 AM

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Baker Hughes is the mothership... then the people onboard are:

ProductionQuest - intelligent well systems & planning
Petrolite - Refinery chemicals
Drilling Fluids - mud conditioning chemicals
Centrilift - ESP and other devices for assisting reservoir production
INTEQ - Directional drilling, motor, coring and LWD / FE
Baker Atlas - Wireline mostly, perforation and fracturing
Baker Oil Tools - all sorts of tools for solving problems during drilling phase, or well intervention, rework etc.


Added on January 4, 2008, 3:33 am
QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 3 2008, 02:28 PM)
Christine, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baker_Hughes

EMBO is a method SLB uses to distribute the taxes they operate all around the world. so wherever you go in the world, you only pay EMBO tax. so that's 19% of your salary + bonuses. In US & Europe, it'll be slightly different.
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Yup, that's what I heard too. SLB polls together everybody's money to pay for all their employees' tax worldwide. Anyway, Qatar's main incentive is that there's no tax, but again I have no EPF...

Anyway Julie, don't be too bothered with the sun. A bit of shine is healthy, haven't you heard? sweat.gif Occasionally some days, you do have to sweat it out too, which is in fact, another healthy thing to do! All in all, just wish to tell you that being the QUEEN of the rig is a good thing, everyone will be friendly and helpful to you, but there are some places you're off-limit too. KSA (Saudi) is an off-limit place for you to work if you're not married because it is impossible to get a working visa for a non-married female there...


Added on January 4, 2008, 3:37 am
QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 2 2008, 05:00 PM)
wah more activity means no vacations! you guys have fixed rotations over in inteq?
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Yup, the usual deal is about 5-5 but sometimes if unlucky, down to 6-4...


Added on January 4, 2008, 3:42 am
QUOTE(pool @ Jan 3 2008, 08:58 AM)
hello hi,  interesting thread. looks like a lot of young msian are working all over the place. which is good.

for the past 1-2 years, salary of msia oil and gas line has gone up a notch nearing expat pays. it is normal for an office based engineer, with 12-15 yrs experience earning close to rm400-600 k a year, of course taxable. not in the middle of deserts, or exotic place like Libya etc; but at the comfort of of working in klcc twin tower.

you just need to be real good in what you do, whether you are geologists of engineers; remember only the specialized skills pay. that skills not so much of running equipment offshore, or run logs etc etc; but a skill that can identify whether the oils (or remaining oils) are. you need to do what people do not know how to do. and by that, i mean modeling --- either geological or fluid simulation modeling.

for those who work with services companies -- stay there for few years to pick up the skills and earn big bucks. then ask for office-based work. you can't stay out there forever. one day a younger stuff will be able to do what you are doing.
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Wah, sure I wish to get to all that high level stuff like reservoir navigation and modelling; but those are really blessed to be honed and sharpened up in such specialized skill niche. Working on it, yup, working on it...

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post Jan 4 2008, 05:23 AM

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QUOTE(speedfamgirl @ Jan 3 2008, 04:05 PM)
waaah so lama la not lepaking here oredi....
shy la you all so high position one.
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Haha.me too!!lol.shy to all senior engineer here blush.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 07:36 AM

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Nothing to be shy about... experience or not, we all began sometime, somewhere... Most important is to make a leap into the so-called 'inflation-proof' job sector!!! Guys, all agree?
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Haha.me too!!lol.shy to all senior engineer here  blush.gif
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yalah...all senior engineer, im yet to be senior CRO here tongue.gif coming to 3 years working on the frontline....
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post Jan 4 2008, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 3 2008, 04:30 PM)
wah pool, I'm still pretty new to this field (1 year only), and currently I'm still not too sure about the career direction I should take (management, technical (tool development) or petrophysics?). So do you mind telling us more about your job?

My degree deals mainly with fluid dynamics & also structure modelling.
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Zeusu ... let be honest, i do not think you would know your direction as you are just 1 year into the job market. you have to experience different kind of jobs for you to ascertain yr inclination.

but one thing, to be sure, it is always good (and i highly recommend) to join a major oil company like exxon, shell, murphy and the likes. you will get different perspectives and be able to understand the wholeness in the oil and gas industry, i.e from exploration to drilling and that knowledge will be very essential if you like to be in o&g for a long run.

i must emphasize again, the skills that able to locate oil, quantify the field/well production and lifespan will be the most "sellable" skills and will reward you handsomely. The very existence of oil companies is to find oil and these skills are highly sought .. these are the business drivers and drive all other things. Drilling, Logging, Production Operation etc etc are more like the "do-ers" that execute the business opportunities.
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post Jan 4 2008, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(pool @ Jan 4 2008, 09:11 AM)
i must emphasize again, the skills that able to locate oil, quantify the field/well production and lifespan will be the most "sellable" skills and will reward you handsomely. The very existence of oil companies is to find oil and these skills are highly sought .. these are the business drivers and drive all other things. Drilling, Logging, Production Operation etc etc are more like the "do-ers" that execute the business opportunities.
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you must have enough experience/knowledge/personal ability before you can get handsome reward, let say 5 yrs and above~
...and I'm still a noob in these skills.. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 3 2008, 09:28 PM)
Christine, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baker_Hughes

EMBO is a method SLB uses to distribute the taxes they operate all around the world. so wherever you go in the world, you only pay EMBO tax. so that's 19% of your salary + bonuses. In US & Europe, it'll be slightly different.
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thanks Zeusu for the web add... it helps a lot... nod.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(pool @ Jan 4 2008, 09:11 AM)
Zeusu ... let be honest, i do not think you would know your direction as you are just 1 year into the job market. you have to experience different kind of jobs for you to ascertain yr inclination.

but one thing, to be sure, it is always good (and i highly recommend) to join a major oil company like exxon, shell, murphy and the likes. you will get different perspectives and be able to understand the wholeness in the oil and gas industry, i.e from exploration to drilling and that knowledge will be very essential if you like to be in o&g for a long run.

i must emphasize again, the skills that able to locate oil, quantify the field/well production and lifespan will be the most "sellable" skills and will reward you handsomely. The very existence of oil companies is to find oil and these skills are highly sought .. these are the business drivers and drive all other things. Drilling, Logging, Production Operation etc etc are more like the "do-ers" that execute the business opportunities.
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hi pool, thanks for replying. Since I'm in the field most of the time, I only got to know ppl in the operations side, so that's why I am keen to know what's happening behind the scenes. Do you happen to know anyone who's in your field now who used to be in an lwd/wireline engineer? What kind of opportunities in an operator would be open to an lwd/wireline engineer? Is it necessary to have some petroleum engineering/geology background to succeed?

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post Jan 4 2008, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 3 2008, 09:28 PM)
Christine, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baker_Hughes

EMBO is a method SLB uses to distribute the taxes they operate all around the world. so wherever you go in the world, you only pay EMBO tax. so that's 19% of your salary + bonuses. In US & Europe, it'll be slightly different.
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i see..... kslee, thanks for ur reply as well...
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post Jan 4 2008, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 4 2008, 04:48 PM)
hi pool, thanks for replying. Since I'm in the field most of the time, I only got to know ppl in the operations side, so that's why I am keen to know what's happening behind the scenes. Do you happen to know anyone who's in your field now who used to be in an lwd/wireline engineer? What kind of opportunities in an operator would be open to an lwd/wireline engineer? Is it necessary to have some petroleum engineering/geology background to succeed?
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Zeusu .. i didnt read all notes in the thread .. not sure about yr background ... if you are doing LWD/wireline i see you can start building yr skills or expertise in log analysis, or becoming petrophysicist .. it is a skill which is highly sought after and right now there is an acute shortage in this highly specialized area.

no, i hardly (may be none) saw any LWD/wireline engineer turns into subsurface engineer (reservoir or petroleum).


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QUOTE(forrest @ Jan 4 2008, 09:44 AM)
you must have enough experience/knowledge/personal ability before you can get handsome reward, let say 5 yrs and above~ 
...and I'm still a noob in these skills..  biggrin.gif
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5 years? no no, 5 yrs is too short to become a specialist. you need more years than that.

from an E&P company standpoint, one won't be able to contribute INDEPENDENTLY with 5 yrs experience. Only those 5 yrs and above can start to bring money to the company.

talented folks, say in singing or poem writing, can be world class at a very young age. but in petroleum industry, you need to see enough, make a lot of mistakes, learn from mistakes, do a lot of stupid things, take reflections from it -- only then you can say: i have seen enough. each field, each well is so different that sometimes logic does not apply.



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post Jan 4 2008, 11:13 PM

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what about having 5 years duration in FE and promote into sales and marketing for oil and gas industry....? is 5 years enough to achieve that...?
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post Jan 4 2008, 11:51 PM

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all this depends on the segment you'll be assigned to, if anybody noticed the extra work you put in and also the location you'll be in. Some places, you can rise up really fast e.g. VP in 10-12 years! so i guess it might be reasonable to say a sales position might be reachable in say 6-10 years.
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post Jan 5 2008, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(pool @ Jan 4 2008, 08:53 PM)
5 years? no  no, 5 yrs is too short to become a specialist. you need more years than that.

from an E&P company standpoint, one won't be able to contribute INDEPENDENTLY with 5 yrs experience. Only those 5 yrs and above can start to bring money to the company.

talented folks, say in singing or poem writing, can be world class at a very young age. but in petroleum industry, you need to see enough, make a lot of mistakes, learn from mistakes,  do a lot of stupid things, take reflections from it -- only then you can say: i have seen enough. each field, each well is so different that sometimes logic does not apply.
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yup... exactly what i'm thinking.. nod.gif
according to USGS, an E&P guy (geocientist/geologist/geophysicist/FE or whatever...) need at least 7 years experience before can work independently..
The 5 years that I mentioned is the time line for myself to work and learn in my current company before I change to others..
In fact, i did a stupid thing for the passed one month... working non-stop in office included saturday & sunday to fix my mistakes in my seismic interpretation data... sweat.gif doh.gif
a specialist or consultant is vary from discipline to discipline and company too... some of the reservoir engineering consultant that i'd met only have 5-7 years experience.. unsure.gif

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QUOTE(dylansiauw @ Jan 4 2008, 04:13 PM)
what about having 5 years duration in FE and promote into sales and marketing for oil and gas industry....? is 5 years enough to achieve that...?
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I don't think 5 years can get you there yet, more possibly an MWD/LWD operation coordinator, perhaps 6/7 years maybe, but depend on opportunity and the attitude taken towards career advancement as well.
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pool, how about those engineer that work in consultant firm/office based?
eg. pipeline engineer, piping engineer.

as your reply mainly for those offshore engineers.
how about for those office based engineer?
would glad if you can give some input on those.
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gheezz.... I have applied for SLB sth like 2 weeks ago... and I call up their office in KL just now to enquire about my status... and they ask me to wait.... it's kind of make me nervous.... coz I'm fully prepare with the interview process...

so whether I will be HM or IM at the initial stage will be all determine by them right..?
and one more thing, where probably will I be trained if I were hired by SLB...?

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jan 5 2008, 11:47 AM)
pool, how about those engineer that work in consultant firm/office based?
eg. pipeline engineer, piping engineer.

as your reply mainly for those offshore engineers.
how about for those office based engineer?
would glad if you can give some input on those.
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Office based engineer here, formerly from pipeline...
One gripe I have regarding being a pipeline guy is that there is little collaboration with other departments, as it is a very specialised and narrow field in my opinion. Can be a good thing or a downside depending on how u look at it blink.gif
Shoot away if anyone got anymore questions, be glad to help out bros...

BTW, anyone can give me some feedbacks about working as a field engineer with Exx0nM0bil ? Got a call for interview from them last year but (stupidly) rejected it coz just agreed to join my current company. Too naive that time sigh >_<
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QUOTE(dylansiauw @ Jan 8 2008, 09:55 AM)
gheezz.... I have applied for SLB sth like 2 weeks ago... and I call up their office in KL just now to enquire about my status... and they ask me to wait.... it's kind of make me nervous.... coz I'm fully prepare with the interview process...

so whether I will be HM or IM at the initial stage will be all determine by them right..?
and one more thing, where probably will I be trained if I were hired by SLB...?
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they take a while. just be patient. they might offer you HCM at first, but could probably switch to IM depending on business needs. If you're IM, you could be sent to any country which has oil/gas, but for the training school, it'll be in Houston or Abu Dhabi, depending on the location you're sent to, whichever is nearer.

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 8 2008, 12:37 PM)
they take a while. just be patient. they might offer you HCM at first, but could probably switch to IM depending on business needs. If you're IM, you could be sent to any country which has oil/gas, but for the training school, it'll be in Houston or Abu Dhabi, depending on the location you're sent to, whichever is nearer.
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I see... then the Abu Dhabi will be close to my home country then...
For the rest of the company BHI, wheatherford, halliburton... I think it's better to sent my hard copy of resume directly to them right?

What do you all think...? or I should stick back to applying online...?

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