between this 2 brand of water filter, which is that you prefer. currently considering between this two to use at my house. hope the lowyat friends can give me some advice. thanks

I am using Elken for like 5 years now. So far so good.

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Added on October 14, 2012, 11:42 pmNo major breakdown. Just need to change the filter every year during our CNY clean-up. Hee...

This post has been edited by bb100: Oct 14 2012, 11:42 PM

Using Elken for 11years d. Hmm, macam no problem

panasonic water filter

So many mlm ppl here
I suggest u google nsf.
And then see whther their filter is certified or not.
Nsf is a water quality body.

amway ?
http://www.amway2u.com/miniweb/espring/espring_en_US.jsp

thanks all for the comments guys

Elken is by far the best, but costliest too in terms of maintenance.

ooo..really? the maintainence for elken are costliest? there anybody are using the coway water filter system?

World Health Organization has recommended not to use Reverse Osmosis water for drinking. AFAIK, Elken is R.O.

ooo..really? this is the first time i heard that actually.

amway, cosway, elken... mlm they use R.O. system 1

what about panasonic brand or giant brand

You can read about it here. Distilled and R.O. water are also called dematerialized water.

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...mineralized.pdf

same as cap ayam filter lulz.

inb4 diamond is the best and can pawn all.

Elken

doulton super rm80 filter

http://doultonusa.com/ =>check who use it

and stainless steel casing rm80

+ one USA imported carbon filter RM80

less than rm300 beat all direct sale filter

coway so far so good use it for mah office

Kozisek mentioned that this is a draft document and not for citation. Therefore, this document is subjected to review and further correction/editing. You should give the completed version instead: http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...trientsindw/en/ or http://www.who.int/entity/water_sanitation...trientsindw.pdf

I find that some of Kozisek statements often quoted from research studies which are not conclusive in evidence that drinking RO/demineralised water is bad for health, especially epidemiological studies. Most of the sickness, such as heart disease, osteoporosis and cancer also happens to individuals who doesn't drink RO water. Other factors could have cause these common illnesses.

I encourage you to read this document from WQA: http://www.wqa.org/pdf/Consumer%20Briefs/LowTDS.pdf
This document commented on the research done by Sidorenko and Rachmanin of Russia where the scientific methods used are questionable and the conclusions made are vague or not supported by data. Interestingly, Kozisek's WHO document also quotes the same Sidorenko & Rachmanin report.

In another statement, Kozisek states Nevertheless, severe acute damage, such as hyponatremic shock or delirium, may occur following intense physical efforts and ingestion of several litres of low-mineral water (Basnyat et al.2000). The so-called "water intoxication" (hyponatremic shock) may also occur with rapid ingestion of excessive amounts not only of low-mineral water but also tap water. The "intoxication" risk increases with
decreasing levels of TDS. In the past, acute health problems were reported in mountain climbers who had prepared their beverages with melted snow that was not supplemented with necessary ions. A more severe course of such a condition coupled with brain oedema, convulsions and metabolic acidosis was reported in infants whose drinks had been prepared with distilled or low-mineral bottled water (CDC 1994)."

If you read the original paper ( http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.co...03200707836.pdf ) you will notice that there is no mention of drinking "low-mineral water" by the patient but excessive drinking of water (10 L of water without eating any salt-containing food supplementation for that day and taking part in a rigorous trek in a hot and humid environment, which resulted in profuse sweating) which causes water intoxication.

Kozisek also wrongly intepreted CDC 1994 report ( http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00032470.htm ) as "infants whose drinks had been prepared with distilled or low-mineral bottled water". No such case mentioned in the original CDC 1994 report. Instead, the original report mentioned that the infants were given tap water or bottled water as a substitute for infant formula before hospitalization. Doctors always advise us not to give 0-6 months babies too much water, just a few sip to wash the mouth will do. The reported cases in the CDC 1994 report has nothing to do with distilled or low-mineral bottled water. Even drinking tap water excessively can cause hyponatremic seizures in babies!

I suspect either Kozisek lacks critical thinking in his study of research papers, or has poor mastery of English (he's a Russian) or drunk while writing his WHO document https://www.facebook.com/frantisek.kozisek/...antisek.kozisek

This post has been edited by DanielW: May 13 2013, 03:16 AM

R.O. home water treatment are not cheap. In fact, pretty expensive. So I see no point in using such system when other systems which does not remove minerals exist.

I agree that RO system is not cheap. The cheapest in the Malaysian market that I've seen priced around RM2000.

Usually a non-RO water purifier company will tell you that their system can filter harmful contaminants and retain good minerals in the water. This is only half truth.

Chemicals are generally categorized into organic chemical or inorganic chemical. To know which chemical is organic or inorganic, you can Google the name of the chemical and if the chemical structure has a carbon atom or 'C' in it, then it's an organic chemical.

Good minerals are in the form of inorganic chemical. If a water purifier system allows good minerals to bypass, logically it also allows other inorganic contaminants to bypass. Most of the system in the market I've seen which allow good minerals to bypass are activated carbon filter. Organic contaminants contain carbon molecules which can bond to the activated carbon filter. A well designed activated carbon filter can filter organic chemicals and some inorganic chemical such as chlorine, lead and mercury. The disadvantage of activated carbon filter is it's not effective in removing most inorganic contaminants such as arsenic, nitrate, or heavy metals like chromium and cadmium. RO membrane can filter these inorganic contaminants. Most RO system also have pre- and post-activated carbon filter to filter organic contaminants. So a well designed RO system can filter both organic and inorganic contaminants.

There is no filter in the market which can differentiate between good minerals and bad minerals. This is a marketing gimmick. If the filter can retain good minerals in the water, chances are it also retains other inorganic chemicals in the water.

I do not deny the fact that some minerals in the water are essential to our health such as calcium and magnesium. Individuals who does not maintain a healthy diet can benefit from the calcium and magnesium content in the water to prevent certain illnesses. For those who drink RO water, the lack of minerals in the water can be supplemented from food intake. http://www.iwawaterwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view...les/RO_Minerals

Between a choice of drinking filtered water containing good minerals plus inorganic contaminants, or RO water which doesn't contain organic and inorganic contaminants while lacking good minerals, I personally choose RO water and supplement the minerals from food and nutrient supplement intake. A glass of milk contains more calcium than a glass of water.

The are some precautions on drinking RO water though:
1) Don't fill RO water in plastic bottle because of leaching effect. It's best to fill RO water in glass or stainless steel bottle.
2) It's not recommended to drink RO water immediately after exercise. Better drink 100plus to replenish the salt lost through sweats.
3) Maintain a healthy diet or take nutrient supplements if you're to drink RO water.

Too troublesome. And the fact that you need to take nutrient supplement shows it's not the most healthy of water to take.

Then there is the issue of not knowing when to replace the membrane otherwise the membrane will be a perfect bed for bacteria to grow. I prefer an unit that has some sort of measuring meter to inform me when the filter need changing.

As to what can be filtered, just go check it out at National Sanitation Foundation website to see what could be filtered.

My 2 sen.

I agree that having to fill RO water in glass bottle and taking nutrient supplements daily is too troublesome for some people. But it soon become an acquired habit and 2nd nature to me.

A filtered water containing both good minerals and potentially harmful inorganic contaminants is not the most healthy of water to take either. Anyway there are pros and cons in different types of water filtration system, including RO system. It all comes down to personal preference.

Regarding the measuring meter to inform the consumer on when to change the filter, I know the eSpring has this technology. It's a pretty smart technology. However, I consider this technology to be secondary to the ability of a system to filter contaminants from water.

Both Elken and Coway have after sales service to help remind customer of the need to change the filter. So this is not an issue, unless you buy RO system from other brand or DIY type. Still even if it's DIY type, you can always make a reminder on your smartphone everytime you changed the filters. So not really a big issue for me.

I agree that NSF certification is important, or at least a WQA certification and check the website to see what could be filtered.

How do they do that? AFAIK, filter are certified to filter x litres of water. Sure a family of 10 uses up x litre faster than a family of 2 person. So how do they know how much water had been filtered? Without knowing, there is no way these sales service can know when need changing?

i used to be an elken distributor.... what i understand is the usage of water for our body is purely for detox of our kidney... thats why RO is still the best..... other water filter brands marketing strategy is minerals..... actually until now... we cannot deremine the type of minerals in water whether its absorp by our body or not especially when water has gone thru underground pipes.... do we really know how is the condition of the underground pipes that has been used to pipe water to our homes???

most minerals contained in water are non absorbant to our body..... thats why people have to go back to understanding the basis of water for our body..... its to flush out our kidney........ as for minerals can be taken from food and supplements... not water.... mineral karat je yg byk dlm water....

so far i think elken and coway has the best RO system........

Just to share.. electrolysis is not suitable to test water..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSkJa6IGes

http://www.wqa.org/pdf/Consumer%20Briefs/P...ion%20Tests.pdf

This post has been edited by safwanuar: Aug 15 2013, 05:52 PM

So which water filter system is good and can remove fluoride?

coway
7 years d
i'm still alive..
no problem

Hi everyone!!

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Please contact me at sham159@yahoo.com if you have inquiries and questions.

Thank you.

Hello,

I been using Elken Bio Pure for 1 year. Now I question the health benefits of RO water. If anybody interested to buy my water filter fairly cheap pls PM or drop a note soolgaso@gmail.com.
It's in great condition, 1 year old, will service it before selling.

Hi,

I am an agent of Coway.

I would like to highlight a few benefits on purchasing Coway water filtration system.

Coway allows you to purchase the water filtration system on a hire purchase basis, where you will enjoy the following benefits:-

1) Free service for every two months for five years.

2) Free filter change for every six months for five years.

3) Free spare parts & maintenance for five years.

4) Free installation of the water filtration system.

5) Free re-installation of the water filtration at other place once a year.

6) Direct piping to the water filtration system.

7) Up to four types of water i.e hot, warm, cool and ambience water.

THERE ARE A LOT MORE! Kindly contact me Azhar at kencanaputih@gmail.com for details.

Coway adalah penapis air no 1 malaysia dan paling terbaiknsebab jaminan warranty 5 tahun juga servis 2 bulan sekali secara percuma

Boleh lihat kehebatan Coway di web saya www.rahsiafirdaus.com

Sebarang pertanyaan hubungi Firdaus 016-4650338

Elken, yes. Ro water.
Amway, no. Not ro water.

Siap boleh advertise lagi...

Amway ada counter.

Ini mesti kerja aircond ni.
No kerja hard labour one. Correct?

How about nesh? I used it 20+ years so far.

im using coway

u nak business...pergi garage sales cari

bukan necro tered yg telah berusia 4 tahun

Coway bestest. After sales maintenance service toppest

Coway. So colddd and so hottttt

toppest KEK?

coway mahal gila.....

Compare to amway?

hrmmm they change the system ady?
i'm not sure last time they told me it is RO

so what system they using now?

This post has been edited by junsheng: Nov 29 2015, 12:32 PM

No arhk, from first gen till espring now, all is filtered water. Bacteria killed with UV light. Maintaining the minerals de wor.

Same concept, just getting smaller and smaller design.with water taste improvement.


But imma not going into it so much, later ppl report me as mlm recruiter.

both also overpriced like shiet

use Coway for more than 4 years. thumbs up for their service.

maintaining the minerals, thn it is not effective at removing VOC ady
thn quite useless ady

Use kpop brand coway cuckoo

Any review on cuckoo?

Shaklee ?

Save yourself some money and get a Panasonic water filter. Those MLM filters are not worth the money.

Coway cause best after sale service. Using kangen water, bacfree and coway. Might change my bacfree to coway so that coway agent can do cleaning.

Lu jgn kacau saya punya water scam business ya!
DrMM da cakap Msia mmg bodo.

Me sell water filter & vitamin and other health supplements!

My boss regrets getting a Coway filter. I don't know exactly how much it cost but he bought it because he wanted hot water. That's it. That's the only reason. He could've saved money by getting a kettle.

That and the monthly repayment plan. He was trying to sell it to someone else but no takers. I guess Malaysians have either wisen up or everyone has an overpriced filter already.

Why nobody uses delcol

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Jul 3 2016, 04:48 PM

Actually our pipe water is clean. Boiling will kill bacteria. Filters remove minerals essential for health.

How can!
You no see brown color water ah?
Or body found in water tank?

Msian must get bestest MLM filters!
Filter and make water with extra O2, alkaline, super hydrogen dan lain lain!
And bestest is the water it make can cures everything!

D brown goo is iron hydoxide from the disintergrating electrodes, not d water. Dead body, even filters can't help I guess.

Dun kill my selling points la.

my hse used NESH for 6 year dy.
so far so good with their services.
at least no big health problem since using their filter system

This is a funny statement. Do you know where your water comes from? It doesn't come from the mountain stream, or a nice clean lake. Usually, it comes from a waste water sewage treatment plant.

The "minerals" in there? Fluoride added to slowly poison you. Chlorine added to kill bacteria. Those antibiotics your neighbors took when they were sick? In there. Taking hormone pills? That's in there too. Your neighbor taking shabu-shabu? Well, that's going into your water as well. How about the local mechanic illegally dumping car fluid into the drain? That's going into your water as well. Where are the "essential minerals" here?

You've fallen for a marketing scam. Use your brain and find out where your water is coming from. The only, FILTER, that will clean almost everything is the RO filter. Possibly, also 4-5 stacked nano filters.

You just need to remineralize the water when it comes out of the membrane. This remineralizer comes with most RO water filters except for Elkin, which is overpriced and under featured.

Go to one of the custom water filter places, like Hydro Filters (I'm not associated with them) and tell them what you need, and they will design a custom system for you that's cheaper then Elkin.

This post has been edited by koguma: Mar 10 2017, 12:26 PM

Don't use any marketed brand. All are a scam. Every. Single. One.

Water systems are simple and the technology is cheap and easily available. This is why all these companies try to make custom filters to lock you into their systems. It's like the old PC and Apple ecosystem.

Just go to a water filter place. They usually have cheap, custom assembled RO systems. Tell them what you want an they will quote you. You can buy the filters anywhere. Don't be suckers.

You will regret buying Elken. The worst in the world

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...ientschap12.pdf

i once whack elken agent who use electrolysis to misguide about drinking water quality
mulut dia tak berenti cakap ini mineral manyak jahat jahat jahat

for who like to read about drinking water
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health...st-addendum/en/

Hi. I am looking for parts to DIY my Bacfree stainless steel filter from single out(spout) into 2 outlets to my alkaline water machine and the other to a big water container. Can you recommend a water filter place? TIA.