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qicquser
post Dec 3 2012, 11:48 AM

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Hi,
Need some advice to improve dps without dropping survivability stats. I'm quite lost atm to get gears.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GymKhan...99/hero/4371030
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post Dec 3 2012, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 3 2012, 11:52 AM)
if ur shenlong has sockets.. it'll be awesome.
and you only hv 25% crit chance.
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Switching my mempo to inna will be better?
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post Dec 3 2012, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 3 2012, 12:00 PM)
What you want to achieve? ppl are switching inna for mempo FYI

How's your survivability?
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can solo up to mp6-7 depends on luck (not too many arcane elites).
then i'll keep my mempo for now tongue.gif
i'm trying to achieve higher dps without dropping survivability. swapping for my BT ammy is still in consideration. trying to overcome the the insane hp lost which is quite difficult.
also i'm favouring LoH over LS for pvp reasons.
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post Dec 3 2012, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 3 2012, 01:40 PM)
happy to see a monk with no OWE! you guys make us proud.

only Mempo with 6 crit chance worth considering. i found a few mempo previously, all sold, and still using my cheap Inna Radiance. crti chance gives you more cyclones which is signification contribution to your DPS that is not shown in your inventory DPS. it's so important that i always try to find max crit chance in all my gears. but mempo should not be the first you need to worry about.

upgrade your glove and bracer first, both have really low crit chance.

not sure if you are moving to the right directions on high IAS+LoH...

but personally, i prefer moving towards high Crit Chance+LS.
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will seriously consider the upgrades on glove and bracer...with high requirements on AR...the price is getting out of hand sad.gif
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post Dec 4 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 12:29 PM)
I will be trying the build as follows (for mp9 games tonight);-

Active Skill
Fist of Thunder -Thunderclap
Crippling Wave -Concussion (feels quite weak when confronting OP elites w/o it)
Serenity -Ascension
Mantra of Retribution -Indignation or other rune (using Mantra of Conviction -Overawe currently)
Breath of Heaven -Blazing Wrath (did a better job than Blinding Flash -FitL)
Sweeping Wind -Cyclone

Passive Skill
Combination Strike
One with Everything (using Beacon of Ytar currently)
Seize the Initiative
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Try this
Crippling wave> blinding flash - faith in light

Combination strike > guiding light

with beacon of ytar, serenity, blinding flash, and breath of heaven you can mitigate most of the damage output by OP elites.

Also guiding light provide same dmg increase and benefits other member that you healed.
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post Dec 4 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 01:49 PM)

...will try both build options in mp9 solo games. If fail, then Mantra of Retribution -Indignation can be replaced by Mantra of Healing -ToN.
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Get a barb...dont need ToN tongue.gif
MoC overawe is a must to clear mp9/10 efficiently. +48% dmg for all party is no joke. even if you have overgeared players, MoC still the best to clear mp9/10 fast. nothing beats +48% dmg
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post Dec 4 2012, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 02:03 PM)
Ya, baby monk understands and agreed with master qicquser thoughts ...but I'm talking solo games.
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ahh okay. didnt know you going solo. solo mp9/10 will be tiring and boring. hope you got something to keep you awake.
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post Dec 4 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 4 2012, 02:13 PM)
Next time in any coop games, this baby monk is going to ask the barb ...got WarCry -Impunity ka? If not, MoC is not available, la!,  icon_idea.gif
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correct...you cover me, i'll buff your dmg. or else, i'll cover my own a$$
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post Dec 4 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 4 2012, 03:27 PM)
lol.. okay okay.. im bias  tongue.gif  tongue.gif


Added on December 4, 2012, 3:28 pm

oh yeah, i forgot about skorn!!! now this is not fair already. =P
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Can use skorn + an offhand? hehehe
item wise DH > everyone....
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 4 2012, 04:06 PM)
I can counter that..can a manticore roll 600 Dex???? Or roll above 1450 DPS? Skorn can roll to how much1.6k DPS??
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DML is easily 300 dex + 200 on manticore.
+20% ias, skill dmg bonus, crit chance, and max disc on DML. can you get that much buff on skorn alone? you are talking about skorn vs. 2 items Manticore + DML
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 4 2012, 04:17 PM)
you need to stop smoking pot my friend.

easily 300 dex on DML? where do u get such figures? FYI, >300 DEX rolled DML is very expensive and worst if you have HA, EA or CA on it.

With max disc u don't get double roll on DEX so the dex is <200.

Next, 200 DEX manticore? Sure, 1OS then.
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lol you are smoking pot. i'm sorry about the max disc part, its hatred regen.

http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/17869484 <--- over 300 dex DML, as if a 600 str skorn isn't expensive.
http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/15845993
http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/18907859

http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/17023329 <--- 187 Dex Manti with 11% ias
http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/11050149 <--- 181 Dex Manti with 11% ias

And these are not the best in game. Let me show you the best skorn in game to compare if you still think skorn is broken.

http://www.diabloprogress.com/item/16224605 <--- No.1 itemscore on d3progress.
Manti + DML have combined stats > No.1 skorn. Also Manti(11% ias) + DML (20% ias). Easily overcome the 100 dps deficit on Manti.

Stop smoking pot my friend.
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 4 2012, 04:31 PM)
Ok, apparently u're on crack.

I said a DML can double roll on DEX if it does not roll DISC. You need to learn to read.

I'm sorry but how much does our manti cost again? the first DML you linked, do u know how much is that? probably your entire gear set.

Now the manticore you link, do u know those manticores are not even on the AH because is worth more than 2b?

So yeah, get off the crack.
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Now you are bringing affordability into the equation. Its about the DH weapon system that is broken. And skorn isn't broken. It has to justify being overpowered dps considering it is a 2H. And some do not favour skorn even they give huge dps, simply because the huge dps is not justified being godly enough
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post Dec 4 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 4 2012, 04:43 PM)
So you want to talk about broken eh? Sure. let me tell you what is broken. A paragon level 85 DH quit recently and rolled a barb with less than 50mil, farming like a boss. My friend on the EU rolled barb with 100mil farming MP5 like a boss when previously his 170k DPS DH can't (i blame it on low/terrible AR and that's his fault).

Broken is when 1/5 of my weapon cost lets me roll a barbarian that can't seem to die even on mp10.

Broken is when the passives of monks are so terrible that every monk seem to be using the same passives.

Broken is when the barbs belt with 2.8LS cost peanuts.

Broken is when 90% of the population rolls barb because is CHEAP. Ask any barb here how much they need to farm MP5.

Is not broken when you pay top notch gold for insane weapon. Not everyone should be able to do MP10, it should be something we aim towards, something like an end game.
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I don't know what the plvl85 DH did wrong that he cant farm. I personally know a few DH can farm pretty well themselves.
-Can't seem to die on mp10 is not enough to clear mp10.
-Monk's passives aren't terrible. I beg to differ. I can clear mp10 without OWE.
-Each class got its perks in terms of items. And DH is the one getting broken with 2H + OP'ed DML
-Barb items is not cheap. To be able to clear/farm mp5 is one thing. To be able to clear mp10 is something

This post has been edited by qicquser: Dec 4 2012, 05:02 PM
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post Dec 4 2012, 05:10 PM

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Try to build away from OwE, you get more freedom in choosing passives. I've been avoiding build that point towards OwE when bliz make a hint that they will do something to OwE. Certainly they are not talking about buffing a skill which is now still a MUST have passives for monks.
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post Dec 4 2012, 05:49 PM

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To stay away from OWE, try to gear up with armors with
-High AR 60-80 on all parts (expensive as DH is competing with monks on those)
-High armor (was cheap 1-2 months back, now this prop is getting expensive)
-High life regen (still considered as the undervalued prop)
-Don't go for items which have a bomb price for little vit. For example, an armor with high dex with little vit (30-50) usually cost a lot more expensive than high dex/high str. Ppl generally dont like this because of the messed up stats. but if you convert str to armor, it can boost your ehp more than the petty vit.

That's pretty much it to stay away from OWE. If the nerf is not too hard on OWE, one can still use OWE. but prepare for the worst. STI took a pretty bad punch to monks. from 100% > 50% dex as armor.
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post Dec 4 2012, 06:08 PM

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@yuhhaur
your surcoat, try getting one with insane vit.
i got mine around ~30mils. cant remember well.
70 dex
256 vit
7x AR
2xx armor
3 socks
need to go crazy on BT chest so you can go vitless on other armors.
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post Dec 5 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 5 2012, 09:26 AM)
Hi!, sangtupperware.

Thanks for providing some guidances which I've implemented to improve upon my monk, I appreciate it lots otherwise that char would still be stucked in mp8 so must try to attain at least 118K dps (unbuff). notworthy.gif

I'm really confused as to which is best in slot (BIS) for monk's chest armor as follow;-
1. Inna's Vast Expanse that comes with AR so can reap the set bonus of 130 dex
2. Tal Rasha's Relentless Pursuit that comes with AR and dex so with the attack speed increase attribute hopefully can contribute to higher spirit regeneration since an overpriced mempo with chc is cost prohibitive.
3. Blackthorne's Surcoat that comes with dex and massive amount of vit as I've heard people say nice things about it.
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Blackthorne Chest + Ammy, for insane eHP. can get about 450 Vit and 13-14% life from there
Inna's Pant + Belt, for the dps lost from BT Ammy. IAS + holy dmg + 2% CC + 130 dex from set bonus
Natalya's Boot + Ring, for the set bonus 7% CC. IAS from nat ring helps too but a CC or CD Nat ring would be nice

If you are favouring for more dps, go for a rare dps ammy (9-10% CC and 70%+ CD). Combo with tal rasha for IAS.

I feel that Inna + Natalya combo is too good to let go for dps build.
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post Dec 7 2012, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Dec 7 2012, 09:25 AM)
Trying to get MoC and SW:Firestorm in my build. Thus the need to get 3rd item for Spirit regen. Bought this new CC Xeph amulet to inorporate that 2 skill into the perm TR build

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and i get this for 1M, a very good bargainĀ  rclxms.gif
9CC and above will cost you 100M++ lol
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Get inna 4 piece set then you are good. SW only cost 5 spirit. brows.gif
combo with chant of resonance or exalted soul.
SW: Inner Storm should be able to cover all spirit regen


Added on December 7, 2012, 11:38 am
QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 7 2012, 12:21 AM)
yo yo yo, so i manage to down my dps, and up my EHP, watchu think??

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/klawo-6...nnyMan/21690694
http://d3up.com/b/171080
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you need to up your ehp 4-fold to make it viable for mp5 and above. 20k-ish hp wont be able to mitigate arcane, molten, fire chain

This post has been edited by qicquser: Dec 7 2012, 11:42 AM
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post Dec 7 2012, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 7 2012, 12:15 PM)
Thats was my TR build, gunna go back to DW, now that i know bout ehp, will consider upgrading with vit. Expensiveeee. Will post my dw build later. Btw u guys should try TEmpest rush build, seriOusly fun and fast paragon lvling.
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Cheapest vit bomb upgrade is Blackthorne Chest + Ammy. Total cost under 20m. Depending on how many vit you aiming for.
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post Dec 7 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Dec 7 2012, 03:28 PM)
Wondering when i'm able to join you guys at mp10 without being slain over and over again.. Lol
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Get more AR (600 is good unbuffed) and life recovering stats. 2k LoH + 500 life regen. OR 1k LoH + 3% LS.
You will be fine with those stats. I managed mp10 with 3 pax party with 2.1k LoH + 530 life regen.

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