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Bringitawn
post Nov 27 2012, 02:12 PM

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I wish Blizz allows us to create a group chat. At least our LYN members could join the chat and easier to find parties.

I'm sure this feature will be in place when PvP starts i guess. Just a thought, maybe we should start gearing up for PvP?

Items with % to Stun...% to Slow...any thoughts?

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post Nov 27 2012, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 27 2012, 02:18 PM)
EF+sickle yoyo-fear-stun-drag time FTW!
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Come to think of it, the sickle with stun is a pretty good combo. Anyone had any success with Lashing Tail?

And is anyone using Exploding Palm like me? I think the rune that gives 12% additional damage for 9 seconds is quite comparable to MoC: Overawe.
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post Nov 27 2012, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 03:26 PM)
exploding palm is not that wise.. it consumes 40spirit. cant spam MoC with that

crippling wave is like a permanent debuff.. as long as you are hitting the mob, the mob takes additional 10% dmg.

plus it generates spirit per attack too.

and the calculation for the debuff isn't exactly total up all %. it's lesser than that.
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I beg to differ. I am still able to spam Exploding Palm and MoC at every 9 seconds interval. The Exploding Palm rune allows us to spam MoC in between for 9 seconds. Besides, i'm assuming most monk would have 2.0 attack speed and your spirit regeneration rate would be able to sustain your MoC spamming.

Am I missing something here?

And taking into account my Inna's set giving me additional 0.33 spirit regeneration rate. By the time I spam my 3rd MoC, elites would've been dead by now. This is based on my scenario farming in mp5 and my dps level.
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post Nov 27 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 04:45 PM)
your dps level doesnt have anything got to do with that.
if you're calculating spirit regeneration versus consumption, it's how u manage your skills and rotation. your dps has no relevance. unless you want to place in the subject of killing whites/elites in low MP, where you kill everything in short time frame, then we're talking based on different point of view. im referring to an efficient rotation. which gives constant dps boost with sufficient spirit regeneration.
our spirit pool (150) does not allow us to spam all buffs at one go. it's given that monks spam spirits for dps, sometimes for buffs/serenity.
i not only spam MoC, but also BoH/blinding flash. maybe that's why i feel exploding palm doesnt fit into the picture.

-MoC takes away 50spirit, spam at every 3seconds.
-BoH takes 25spirit - 15% for 45seconds + 16% for 15seconds (spam at every 15seconds)
-blinding flash takes 10spirit - 30% for 3seconds (spam at every 15seconds)

with the 3 above, (take into consideration if monks pop serenity/ sweeping wind once in a while) that takes 10+75spirit away.

spirit management is screwed if were to include exploding palm which consumes 40spirit, in 9seconds.
by allocation exploding palm, meaning you have to take one of these away.

FoT
MoC
Serenity
Sweeping Wind
>BoH
>Blinding Flash

and by calculating that. the dps increase is lesser than what you can get from BoH/Blinding Flash, which consumes lesser spirit, and gives high dps boost.
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I see your point. My build usually surrounds teamplay and the only reason i chose exploding palm was because my allies would also benefit from the +12% damage gained against elites as well with the MoC (12%/24%).

Blinding flash only affects the player casting it and thus making it an individual buff. Nevertheless, it gives some sort of crowd control for that brief period.

But you are right that if you were to incorporate exploding palm in your build would be futile and inappropriate by taking into consideration the spirit regen rate doesn't permit you to. If you have 4/5 Inna's set, your SW would only cost you 5 spirit per cast. On that token, I'm able to save 70 spirit while spamming exploding palm/MoC.

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post Nov 27 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 27 2012, 04:57 PM)
4 innas are too taxing to other stats. head+chest+belt+pants making you almost limited in investing gears elsewhere (lacuni, vile ward) which only left you with boot, rings, ammy & weapons to stack the rest.
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Whilst you are right, I'm not implying any malice in you guys' builds. I found those sets and am making full use of it with the right skills that would help the party. I guess it's my bad for not making things clear at the start with my gears as reference.

Cheers!
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post Nov 27 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 27 2012, 05:03 PM)
how much you invested on your skorn, that was so impressive.
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Bought the skorn at 50 mil. Sold my EF to pay part of the cost. That was like 2-3 months back I think.... smile.gif
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post Nov 27 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 27 2012, 05:17 PM)
yup, nat soul + nat mark is quite common.


Added on November 27, 2012, 5:18 pmand the price also FUUUUUU
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Those 2 are next on my shopping list! Can't wait to take my CC above 50%!
Also planning to switch to dual wielding but of course gold makes the world go round...gotta keep farming!!

Any unwanted socketed 1H weapon with crit damage you guys don't need, please send them my way...


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actually i dont think monks go for 3p inna. the spirit regen rate is so puny. it's either 2p or 4p in most cases. or in the case of all monks ive met.


And I guess i'm in the most cases category as I have 4 of them. I'm saving the boot and ring slot for nats set.



@paranoid: I maintain the fleet footed passive for both solo and coop games. In solo, I get to clear the maps fairly quicker and in coop, i get to kite and resurrect fallen brothers especially in uber runs...smile.gif

Any suggestions to replace that passive?


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post Nov 27 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 05:45 PM)
i use fleet footed in solo. but in coop it's kinda useless. at our level of play, most ppl dont die anymore. or at very low frequency.
since u too use BoH. i always use guiding light. it gives dps boost to all your party members, instead of only healing them and gives only you the short dps boost.

it's good to use that for your SW too. im refering to the bug for SW.
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Guiding light only works if you heal your allies right? And I'm too blinded by what bug that's going on with SW. In what order do I need to spam skills in order to take advantage of the bug? hmm.gif
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post Nov 27 2012, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 06:00 PM)
yes, BoH heals, you dont need MoH for guiding light. BoH can do that. as long as you stand near your allies, in most cases, they are just in range.

about the bug for SW. when you cast SW, the % of the damage on your sweeping wind will be take from your dps at that very moment. it stays as long as your SW is on. unless you lost 3seconds and you have to recast it again.

so actually my biggest part of concern regarding spirit management above is also due to why im sticking to this build.

you cast MoC + BoH first. monitor your dps number. u have to do the next step before BoH cooldown.
wait till you get full pool of spirit. you will cast blinding flash and immediately SW before 3seconds goes off.

in most cases your dps would go beyond 200k at that short moment.
use SW at that moment.

test it.. u melt the white mobs right away.

if you have enough spirit. u can recast SW so it stays. if you lose SW, u need to repeat from start that again.
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And it has to be those skills? Can i replace blinding flash with exploding palm instead? I have no problems re-casting my SW cause it costs me only 5 spirit. wink.gif
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post Nov 27 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 27 2012, 06:05 PM)
Yup..also if you use a skorn.....and switch back to 2 1 h after casting.

I think if the skorn has LS..the LS will continue as as long as SW is up..imagine BoH+Blind and SW up from a skorn...everything just melts..

Its a bug/exploit that Blizzard is monitoring..
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owh my gawd....that sounds really juicy! any of you have got any spare 1H x 2 for me to test out, that would be appreciated!

Imagine my 5.8% LS from my skorn being inherited and just facerolling everything. If that is true, I can very well start farming above mp5!
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post Nov 27 2012, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 06:08 PM)
you need buffs, not debuffs.
it takes a percentage of YOUR damage. additional damage on mobs doesnt apply.
actually i've also realized something..
exploding palm is applied on only 1 target. 40spirit is too expensive to spend lol.
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Well if you kill the intended target, the damage from the resulting explosion is 30% of the target's max life to its surrounding area. Imagine Golgor with 3 mil hp, killing it would generate a 900k damage explosion in its surrounding. I use this particularly alot to get the bonus exp by killing everything in 1 shot.

Blinding flash costs of 10 spirit is nice as well but I kinda hate to keep pressing too many keys. My micro skills aren't that good to start with...


@paranoid

If both of us use the same skill and passive (e.g BoH + Guiding Light), does the effect stack?

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post Nov 27 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 06:37 PM)
*yes BoH + Guiding Light stacks.. which is why im hooked. as long as you heal an ally, it works.

i have actually tried exploring almost every skill.
exploding palm almost everytime, kills everything around them when they die.

my habit is to spam MoC at every 3seconds, the moment the icon goes off on my screen i jam that button again.
same goes for BoH. the icon cooldown tells you exactly when to spam that again.
when i used exploding palm. it depends on the speed of the party. i have to time my skills so it doesnt take longer than 9seconds for them to kill a specific target i mark. else 40spirit goes to waste. and most of the time when the elite has 9seconds to live, coop players smash their ulti. lol
like 7ss, BBV.. etc.   usually when any champ/elite is dying, i spend less effort in calculating my skill timing. too lazy for that lol.
and the main reason is probably i wont have 40spirit at that very moment.

say.. in an encounter elite, i would probably use 10x BoH in the entire fight. that's constant dps for all party member.
exploding palm only once when they die. the bleeding part is not worth replacing BoH imo.
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I would not replace BoH for exploding palm. The question was is it worth replacing blinding flash with exploding palm? smile.gif

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post Nov 27 2012, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 27 2012, 07:09 PM)
Hey, found an inna belt, work better than my WH with no dex... Damn I still cannot sell that WH


Added on November 27, 2012, 7:11 pm

Pant + radiance > mempo
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Maybe you can pass the WH to me for safekeeping? I am a trustworthy person. Lol
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post Nov 27 2012, 07:36 PM

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Apparently from Blizzard's tweet, only the website services are under maintenance. The game play would not be affected.
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post Nov 27 2012, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 27 2012, 07:57 PM)
for my monk, i dont use BoH unless i use guiding light passive. i dont see the point oh BoH without that passive.

comparing exploding palm with blinding flash, for my monk i would go for blinding flash.
the blind is awesome, the dps is bonus. plus i get to spam that without worrying. only costs 10spirit.
blinding flash is a better skill to aid coop play the way i see it, compared to exploding palm.
my logic is that the skill rocks, but only once in any elite fight. blinding flash is constant.

for me, it's not worth it.
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I think I shall use Blinding Flash again then. Use my flyswatter aka Skorn to smack the elites when they're blinded.
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post Nov 28 2012, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 28 2012, 12:09 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKlottc2Xy4&t=7m25s
(or 7m 25sec on the video)
is how i feel once blind wears off sad.gif
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I like your sense of humour.... biggrin.gif


Added on November 28, 2012, 2:29 amOkay so i tried to exploit the bug but i don't see a drastic change. The dps resets after 3 seconds....what am i supposed to expect anyways? Is the dps supposed to maintain at increased 30% dps after the 3 seconds are over from blinding flash?

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post Nov 28 2012, 01:38 PM

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Hey moba! Join the sacred monk club!

As for the rest, there is no one fixed way of playing any class. Some players tune the way they play according to what they can afford. I for one play according to what i can afford and make the best skill sets out of it.

@paranoid: its good to have your opinions about skills that i use that no one rarely uses. I like to be different and try to stay away from common builds. And i respect your views too.

@quaza: you my friend are too smart for your own good. Sometimes a little simplicity might help you to enjoy other people's opinions. However i do enjoy reading what you have to say when debating on skills and technicality of the game.

All in all, how we play the game in a party is what determines the fun level and keeps people wanting more of the same attitude in game.


Added on November 28, 2012, 1:44 pmOohh and i personally use skype during my coop games with friends. Its always fun to laugh at each other at how we died and coordinate maneuvers.



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post Nov 28 2012, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Nov 28 2012, 01:51 PM)
try skype in HC.
it's sooo much more fun and thrilling
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Can i skype with joo? I'm fed up of listening to my monk mistress saying the same things with pet enchantress. Maybe its time to listen to some genuine female monks? Lol
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post Nov 28 2012, 05:53 PM

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Enough talk...show me your skills!! Rawr
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post Nov 28 2012, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Nov 28 2012, 07:24 PM)
Worth the upgrade? going to cost 150M buyout though..
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ur Skorn makes mine puny....cis...but anyhow not worth the upgrade

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