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 Nokia 808 - V03 - [The King of Camera Phones], the legendary 41mp phone cam hidden gem

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post Jan 4 2014, 02:24 AM

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808PV vs 1020 (after Black update)

http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/i..._Nokia_808_.php
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post Mar 9 2014, 09:32 PM

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Based on what I saw on RAW images (L1020) I'd say 808PV full 38mp resolution jpeg shots have no post-processing whatsoever (but I do see some deepen color shots that's why blue became too blue) because it is practically the same as RAW shots by L1020.

With RAW shots, I can see more bokeh than the post-processed images by L1020. In terms of usability, L1020 is the new king because it can handle any sort of light condition shots while 808PV still have problems for purple tint/ISO noises. But I can reassure you Lumia 1020 sound recording is not the best even L920 perform better.

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post Mar 12 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 11 2014, 12:13 PM)
the blue might be due to white balance. With RAW, you can adjust them easily, while JPEG is processed and not much room for adjustment.

From the samples in L1020 thread, can clearly see the colors are too vibrant/punchy leading to unnatural colors, but people tend to like it because it sort of "pops".
L1020 with manual controls alone would already promoted it's usability factors, as a plus, the OIS.
The only issue is the "price", the phone spec isn't really good, there's limited storage available and no external storage options. Having such high megapixel camera and HD video capabilities, which purpose for photos and videos, lacking storage is a big factor, not to mention some limitation of WP in terms of files management.

Hope to see the L1020 replacement soon with most of the things improved, and priced competitively (especially since the Find 7 is now offering 50MP)
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You don't see the true capabilities of L1020 here. What you just saw is a processed jpeg images of L1020. Have you ever see its raw images? I'd say it's better than 808PV could do (even the image sensor is bigger). I'd say 808PV cannot shot well on low light. It still have the ISO problems which isn't pleasant on my eyes while L1020 shots are great. Any conditions. period.

the only thing is that you need to save that RAW format which is sucks for me. I'd rather Nokia didn't apply any of the post-processing like N8 and 808PV then save it to jpeg format would have been nice. Peace tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2014, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 13 2014, 04:39 PM)
Of course RAW is better. I usually shoot RAW because RAW provides a lots of room for adjustment and flexibility.
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but then again RAW is messy and a big burden. Too sizey and kinda slow to process. Heard of a new jpeg scheme that works like RAW but with minimal of filesize and I'm looking forward to it icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 16 2014, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 14 2014, 12:22 PM)
Yes, and it needs to be processed.
Anyway, JPEG with minimal processing is good enough, but it will need some processing for different situations due to the minimal processing done.
That's why for DSLR, there is an advice for settings all adjustment to lowest/zero for JPEG.
JPEG is a processed file, think of it as cooked meat, if over-cook, then you can't really do much, but if mildly cook, then you can cook it further to your preference.

Then again, not everyone wants to always edit a photo, so a default processing has to be good and suits most people. I guess L1020 adopted more vibrant/contrasty processing on the JPEG was due to more people seems to prefer it. They have to follow the market majority, e.g. when people took a photo with the demo unit, "wow, it's so beautiful and colorful".
But as long there is option to adjust the settings and RAW option as a plus, it's very good already. Plus, the manual control is one of the main highlights.

The main issue with L1020 is the price, but then for those can afford or feels it's worth it, then go for it.
Another lacking is the storage options, for the price, if it's 64GB it's more worth it, but it's better to have external storage options; being a camera focus device, the user may use up many of the space.... Actually the external grip should comes with battery + storage.  tongue.gif

Looking forward for the successor for L1020.  thumbup.gif
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agreed much. still, I'd preferred for a non post-processing pictures like the ones on N8 and 808. Nokia should leave it like that forever rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 17 2014, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 17 2014, 01:30 PM)
sifu, too expensive already and only 32GB and no external storage (somemore so expensive). Lumia 1520 cheaper and better spec, just lacking 41MP sensor.
Since already got 808, better wait for L1020 successor. If don't have 808, then maybe will highly consider L1020.

sifu, you also wait for L1020 successor better. Hopefully will have news soon.
Agreed. I guess they "move" towards "consumer choice" to get more people to buy it.
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Noticed that. But I'm pretty sure bringing back the all the manual controls like 808PV has but retain the post-processing for auto mode and that'll be much more nicer. just my 2cents though smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(peter32 @ Aug 15 2014, 06:36 PM)
Price is not a main concern actually.  But storage space has some issue yes. 

What I did was to install Flickr apps that upload images automatically, frequent backup to the desktop, etc..
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PRICE is the main concern, dude. That's why some 808PV owner would rather wait until L1020 price drop (or wait for the next PureView device, but I was concerned it wouldn't appeared this year).
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post Aug 19 2014, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(peter32 @ Aug 18 2014, 01:39 PM)
The reason I said 'price is not a concern' was that it was priced as highend smart phone device, not more than that. Its very unlikely to expect them to price it lower than, say, 930 for now, simply because apart from the usual smart phone features, it comes with higher end camera module. Much higher than the best of iphone 5S or Samsung S5 for instance. 

So for that alone, I think the pricing is justifiable. Of course the lower the price the better it is for us consumer. 

Right now with this 930, it seems that Microsoft no longer interested in 40MPix camera phone.  This is quite obvious. If it were to come out, we will have to wait till the 930 fever to drop a bit. Only then it justify the emergence of lumia 1030 with such camera, with relatively similar price range to 930. 

Waiting for price to drop means the emergence of successor, always the case.
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Good point. Microsoft factor or not, I'm highly interested for the successor of L1020. At least a better processing image would sufficed.

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