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Italian Clubs Juventus - Stagione 2014/2015, 15/4 Juventus 1-0 Monaco [UCL]

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post Nov 6 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(uzary @ Nov 6 2012, 01:13 AM)
guys, i know we will have a very very big match tomorrow nite as we must win against nord.. even a draw will be bad or worst we lose.. i hope conte will deployed all of our finest player n no bedner.

put that aside, lets hav a bit of discussion bout our ''scoreless'' strikers... i hv been wondering bout this since after amauri era. then we has boriello also almost be the nex amauri but thankfully he did scored a few crucial goals for us toward the end of las season. but this season, all our strikers becomin more like amauri in term of unable to scored eventho we they hav a lot of good chances in front of goals.

to date our stikers

Fabio Quagliarella - 3 goals
Sebastian Giovinco - 3 goals
Mirko Vucinic - 2 goals
Alessandro Matri - 1 goals
Nicklas Bendtner - no goal yet

this is worrisome guys.. even for a out form ac milan, their striker el sharrawy is leading the serie a top scorer. i compared to all leagues in europe, other than la liga where messi,ronaldo n falcao hav 10 goals or more, other strikers have an average of 6-8 goals by now. but for our strikers, i just dont know what to say anymore. im not saying they r not good, they can create,dribble,pass xcept unable to finish it. is it an amauri curse or something? or are our strikers very lack of world class level? we r the old lady, we r back being a giant again in europe, we r by far the best domestic club in italy, but we hav this weird problem. it is a good thing that all our goals came from any position of players bout strikers shud score a lot more. also iinm all our goals mostly came from set pieces compared to a more direct approach.

im sure our top management has aware of this, they shud have. so this coming january transfer i hope they wil bring in a very good striker to solve this issue. i frustrated we unable to get RVP wit us, i really wish he, or cavanni or falcao could join us but i dun c that will happen. shud we get Giuseppe Rossi this january? coz other than him, i dunno anymore top strikers available n can play ucl for us. he shud already healed by then but ofcoz his injury prone and his performance after his injuries is still in doubt whether he is a right choice for us or not.. so guys, what do u have tosay regarding this matter? i am really worry in the situation is continuous like this. we cant win if we dont score, n we also cant win if we dont score more than our opponent.
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The first 15 to 20 mins against Inter we could have put the game to bed. But instead of our strikers getting into great goal scoring positions, it was our midfielders. And eventhough Vidal and Marchisio are great going forward, they are no strikers in terms of finishing. Thats why football has different position like strikers and midfielders. Vidal and Marchsio choose the wrong options and i not for once blame them becuase they are afterall midfielders.

That is when our toothless strikers come in. Inter not just played well, they had a top striker to trouble us. Milito was a huge difference between us and Inter that night. He probed, he moved into channels, he drew fouls, he confused our backline. Bendtner on the other hand has a nice touch. And thats about it. Full stop. Giovinco can get past players, but when he did, he passed the ball back to the opponents.

A striker with more quality must surely come in now. Or we will stare at the possibility of a one season wonder. We might end up finishing 2nd or 3rd and out of UCL at grp stage.

Get someone. Llorente or Dzeko or whatever la. They are not WC, but hell they are way better than the pathetic bunch we have now. The oonly 2 strikers that can stay is Quag and Vucinic. Vucinic will support the new guy, Quag and giovinco as subs. Then we can start talking about retaining the title and fighting for UCL.
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(theprobe @ Nov 6 2012, 02:25 PM)
The first 15 to 20 mins against Inter we could have put the game to bed. But instead of our strikers getting into great goal scoring positions, it was our midfielders. And eventhough Vidal and Marchisio are great going forward, they are no strikers in terms of finishing. Thats why football has different position like strikers and midfielders. Vidal and Marchsio choose the wrong options and i not for once blame them becuase they are afterall midfielders.

That is when our toothless strikers come in. Inter not just played well, they had a top striker to trouble us. Milito was a huge difference between us and Inter that night. He probed, he moved into channels, he drew fouls, he confused our backline. Bendtner on the other hand has a nice touch. And thats about it. Full stop. Giovinco can get past players, but when he did, he passed the ball back to the opponents.

A striker with more quality must surely come in now. Or we will stare at the possibility of a one season wonder. We might end up finishing 2nd or 3rd and out of UCL at grp stage.

Get someone. Llorente or Dzeko or whatever la. They are not WC, but hell they are way better than the pathetic bunch we have now. The oonly 2 strikers that can stay is Quag and Vucinic. Vucinic will support the new guy, Quag and giovinco as subs. Then we can start talking about retaining the title and fighting for UCL.
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However Vuci, Quag and Gio are not targetman. Our only Targetman are Matri and Bendy, whom both are not performing currently. We got good support / second strikers, now we just need a Vieri to finish up the job.

and I think Llorente and Dzeko are good enough to be WC, if either come in, i think Vidal and Marc can focus more on MF activities.

For goodness sake, let's start Pogba more often! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 6 2012, 03:15 PM

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couldn't agree more

nearly every top team around europe have a talisman @ atleast dependable striker..someone u can always count on up front to finish the chances

all the forward we have can dribble, pass, create chances but poor at finishing, Quag maybe a bit better among em all but inconsistent. Matri never look like his former self since the start of the season


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post Nov 6 2012, 04:39 PM

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agreed wit kuale, me other fav team which barca, tho they have plenty of reliable strikers, they also have a magician - messi who can do wonders in a very crucial moment, especially this season where barca are weak in defense n always have to make a come back victory.

how i wish we hav such wonder boy. for now i saw there is a lot of potential for pogba to be our wonderboy. march also a candidate. but again they r not strikers.. arghhhh how i missed the tym when trez and del piero as our strikers, we hav nedved too..
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QUOTE(uzary @ Nov 6 2012, 04:39 PM)
agreed wit kuale, me other fav team which barca, tho they have plenty of reliable strikers, they also have a magician - messi who can do wonders in a very crucial moment, especially this season where barca are weak in defense n always have to make a come back victory.

how i wish we hav such wonder boy. for now i saw there is a lot of potential for pogba to be our wonderboy. march also a candidate. but again they r not strikers.. arghhhh how i missed the tym when trez and del piero as our strikers, we hav nedved too..
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Well Messi is kinda in the grey area too. Don't forget Barca can operate without a designated striker, as shown by the absence of Villa. Plus their "real" magicians are in Iniesta and Xavi, who start building play from way back, & Messi will reliably follow up and finish it.

We had that in Trez and ADP last time. And even Iaquinta at his prime or Toni! Now the only striker who doesn't seem to miss his Gio, but given his limited size and strength there's little he can do if he gets double-teamed. The best he could do is to earn freekicks for Pirlo outside the box.

Imagine the damage we could have done upfront, even if we manage to sign cassano or super mario tongue.gif

Llorente still has yet to renew his contract. Hope Beppe don't miss this golden opportunity.

Marc could be our wonderboy for now as he's really a box to box MF. Pogba on the other hand, has the advantage of not many people have seen his style, once he played 10-20 games, we have to see of our opponents could find a way to neutralize him. I definitely don't want Pogba to be end up being another Krasic.

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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Nov 6 2012, 05:30 PM)
Well Messi is kinda in the grey area too. Don't forget Barca can operate without a designated striker, as shown by the absence of Villa. Plus their "real" magicians are in Iniesta and Xavi, who start building play from way back, & Messi will reliably follow up and finish it.

We had that in Trez and ADP last time. And even Iaquinta at his prime or Toni! Now the only striker who doesn't seem to miss his Gio, but given his limited size and strength there's little he can do if he gets double-teamed. The best he could do is to earn freekicks for Pirlo outside the box.

Imagine the damage we could have done upfront, even if we manage to sign cassano or super mario tongue.gif

Llorente still has yet to renew his contract. Hope Beppe don't miss this golden opportunity.

Marc could be our wonderboy for now as he's really a box to box MF. Pogba on the other hand, has the advantage of not many people have seen his style, once he played 10-20 games, we have to see of our opponents could find a way to neutralize him. I definitely don't want Pogba to be end up being another Krasic.
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krasic once very very outstanding player for us..but his style is easy to adapt by opponent defender.. iremember last season how we all got mad of him cos he just blown off a very excellent goal scoring opportunity. demm tommow is a very nervous moment for us.. we have and must win against nod.. i just hope we wont be out of ucl b4 conte returns. plez i really hope matri could find his form back. at least he was our top scorer las season tho only 10 goals iinm. sweat.gif he used to bagged an over 20 goals for catania iinm his former club.
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not blaming anyone but how i wish Alessio banned would've stand..bcoz let be honest..i read on every juve page most of juve fans prefer Carrera as the interim manager on the sideline instead of Alessio
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cant agree more, Carrera way better than him when it comes to a game changing decision..he sux. bout less than a month to go b4 the return of the count conte.. ple juve hang on n keep winning till then. our player neds some bites to move forward. i missed his yelling and screaming.

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yes, we missed how the 'energy' he shown when he's on the sideline. Even sitting in the skybox the count was more intimidating than Alessio & Carrera combined biggrin.gif

and yes it would be sux to be juve player who would have to face Conte after the defeat against inter. I hope conte did give em some hairdryer treatment and they would released that anger against Nords
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Seems like a very high chance for Quag-Bendy partnership will be used for the match against the Nords, Vuci is currently injured.

OOT: Does Destro will deserve that 2nd booking for almost removing his shirt? His collar did not even go above his chin shakehead.gif

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from the official site, it seems Vuci's back on the lineup. But whether he gonna get chosen @ not i'm not sure. Only Pepe was absent

1 Buffon
2 Lucio
3 Chiellini
4 Caceres
6 Pogba
8 Marchisio
9 Vucinic
11 De Ceglie
12 Giovinco
15 Barzagli
17 Bendtner
19 Bonucci
20 Padoin
21 Pirlo
22 Asamoah
23 Vidal
24 Giaccherini
26 Lichtsteiner
27 Quagliarella
30 Storari
32 Matri
33 Isla
34 Rubinho
39 Marrone


*as for Destro cases..yes a stupid way for getting sent off but he deserved that

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Removes the jersey or covers the face with a mask or similar device after scoring a goal


yellow card offenses

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Nov 7 2012, 12:03 PM)
from the official site, it seems Vuci's back on the lineup. But whether he gonna get chosen @ not i'm not sure. Only Pepe was absent

1 Buffon
2 Lucio
3 Chiellini
4 Caceres
6 Pogba
8 Marchisio
9 Vucinic
11 De Ceglie
12 Giovinco
15 Barzagli
17 Bendtner
19 Bonucci
20 Padoin
21 Pirlo
22 Asamoah
23 Vidal
24 Giaccherini
26 Lichtsteiner
27 Quagliarella
30 Storari
32 Matri
33 Isla
34 Rubinho
39 Marrone
*as for Destro cases..yes a stupid way for getting sent off but he deserved that
yellow card offenses
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No wonder I saw the horror on Balza's face after Destro did that.... tried to wear it back for him as fast as he can lol
Destro becoming a true roman... "I got booked, I scored, I got sent off" doh.gif

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forza juve.


Added on November 8, 2012, 4:24 amGuys, we r leading 3-0, a very sensational goal from gio.. we r playing outstanding currently, hope we kep it that way til final whistle. Forza juve.

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i hope we score more in the 2nd half, would be nice if the score ended 6-0 or something


Added on November 8, 2012, 5:05 ammatri...unbeliveable...

his form not only poor but he's out of form entirely....zzzzz


Added on November 8, 2012, 5:16 am4-0. Quag header...and nice flick header by Matri.

cmon matri please score atleast one in this match

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4-0 the final score. While chelsea edge shaktar on the final seconds of the match

the match in Turin for Juve-Chelsea would be an explosive
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post Nov 8 2012, 05:42 AM

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Good win, feel bad for matri unable to score any goal.. but good assist from him tho..
Demmit chelsea won so last minute. Now we need to win all the remainin games.


Added on November 8, 2012, 5:42 am
QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Nov 8 2012, 05:41 AM)
4-0 the final score. While chelsea edge shaktar on the final seconds of the match

the match in Turin for Juve-Chelsea would be an explosive
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I hope we will beat chelsea at our home.

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QUOTE(uzary @ Nov 8 2012, 05:42 AM)
Good win, feel bad for matri unable to score any goal.. but good assist from him tho..
Demmit chelsea won so last minute. Now we need to win all the remainin games.


Added on November 8, 2012, 5:42 am

I hope we will beat chelsea at our home.
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well english clubs are very well known for their tenacity.....remember liverpool - ac milan match for UCL finals, as well as the very very final minute of BPL last season where Man City scored the season-winning goal? laugh.gif

They really truly do not giveup until the very last minute, + 1 minute. We must be the same too..


Added on November 8, 2012, 10:42 amWow, after the match against pescara, we got 3 high profile matches back to back to back. Lazio, Chelsea, Milan. OMG.

Congratz to Pepe to being a dad! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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I missed the match..from what i see is the stadium is not full...

Hope for full crowd against chelsea.


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:09 amiimn this is first marchisio goal this season right?


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:13 amBTW next match against pescara will be good chance for matri or bendtner to gain th confidence back..

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QUOTE(Firdaus_Fenriz @ Nov 8 2012, 11:08 AM)


I missed the match..from what i see is the stadium is not full...

Hope for full crowd against chelsea.


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:09 amiimn this is first marchisio goal this season right?


Added on November 8, 2012, 11:13 amBTW next match against pescara will be good chance for matri or bendtner to gain th confidence back..
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Since Pescara does not have Veratti now...we should field as many 2nd stringers as possible as clearly our first team require that precious rest.
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after watching the Celtic-Barca highlights.. OMG, what an atmosphere in the Parkhead stadium. 3 times i got the goosebumps when watching the videos; Wanyama goal, Watt goal, final whistle

Lets hope our stadium can have the atmosphere as close as that atleast during Chelsea visit in the 2 weeks time


Added on November 8, 2012, 12:25 pmand yeah what a 'nice' timing sweat.gif

(11) Pescara vs Juventus
(18) Juventus vs Lazio
(20) Juventus vs Chelsea
(25) AC Milan vs Juventus

Lazio,Chelsea,Milan in space of a week. No disrespect to Pescara but i agree we should use mostly the 2nd choices player against em.
Pirlo esp should be rested bcoz he played almost every matches for 90minutes

and our 2nd lineup is not that bad considering we can fielded; Storari -- Caceres-Marrone-Lucio -- Isla-Pogba-Padoin-Giacc-PDC -- Matri-Bendtner

we can afford losing some points in serie a bcoz its still a long wide race but the match vs Chelsea is a super-crucial.
And we want to avoid losing at all cost in Donetsk. So i hope Conte/Alessio would give the main attention to UCL matches at this time

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