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 Bursa Traders Thread V1, Coook cooook cooook !

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post Oct 24 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 24 2012, 03:53 PM)
Well, the market is full of uncertainty.

My personal opinion is trading less ( in term of frequency ) might improve the success rate with better profit margin.

In a way u bring down the failure rate from the market uncertainties.

I simply say only.
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I totally agree with this one, trading less is better. It'll prevent you from become emotionally attached to it. emotional attachment to trading, for me, is the no.1 killer.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 24 2012, 04:52 PM)
Affin suddenly shoots up thumbup.gif
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damn I've been monitoring for the past 2 weeks, but still missed it vmad.gif

busy goreng THHEAVY... brows.gif

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What's up with TAKAFUL? down so much from RM6.50.... now RM4.69

business so bad? hmm.gif

Insurance industry is consolidating. MAA was sold to Zurich, AIA bought ING's unit, and CIMB considering selling their CIMB Aviva.

so, could it be someone pressing down the price, so that they can initiate a takeover on TAKAFUL? is TAKAFUL a good takeover prospect?

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Almost reaching 200D MA, and vol seems increasing, could be someone accumulating it...

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 24 2012, 08:22 PM)
ciahcra: When stocks go down without much reasoning, you are left wondering ...

1. you could play the 'value' game ..
2. you could ask the chart...

If the option is 2, the obvious question all will ask is when and where can buy for a rebound play? tongue.gif
And yeah, for now one could look if a bounce at the ma?

Me?

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Well, the question is, is that a bear, or just bull taking rest? brows.gif

I'm like you, hunting on bulls as well. When in bull market, i'll go long on dip. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 09:43 AM

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damn takaful straight shoot up..... sweat.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 09:46 AM)
Did you become the stock chaser this morning? tongue.gif
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nope....no signal for me, so no entry. I may have missed it, let it be. If really going to reverse, it'll make higher low, so not to worry, still can enter then. icon_idea.gif

I've been monitoring this counter for falling down for quite sometimes already, but I didn't bother to mention it here because vol is pathetic.

I've only brought it up yesterday because I saw sudden vol increased, and it's near the support level, so it might be worth it to start watching

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post Oct 25 2012, 10:17 AM

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actually if I get in the office earlier, i'd probably chase it.

too bad I got in late today, and when i see it, already shoot up, so no point chasing anymore. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 10:20 AM)
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Whatever happen to that 'I don't chase ... skirts' ... statement? tongue.gif

Stay discipline my friend.
Stick to your game plan and fight no unnecessary battles in the market.
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which is why I don't chase it when i saw it already up to 4.90. icon_rolleyes.gif

increase vol, small spread, near support level (there's also fibo 61.8% at yesterday price) suggesting someone is accumulating.

unlike amedia and jcy, drop with big down spread, really big vol. definitely seller is strong, why would you want to catch that?

I'm not advocating 'catching a falling knife'. In fact, i really2 suggest that everyone should avoid from catching a falling knife.









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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 10:48 AM)
It's not that one cannot play the falling stocks.
You can actually.
But lot's of time, I see many doing it haphazardly.
The minute they see the stock fall, they want to buy already and they try to guess where the point where the stock will rebound.
This is risky.

For Takaful, yes, there was an increase in daily volume but it's not a strong conclusive indicator that the stock might turn the corner (today).
Yes, on hand, there are more ppl buying but then it can also be argued that there are more ppl selling.

And like I said, I would rather see the stock form a base first.

There's another good example recently.

UEM Land.
Stock was falling down recently.
One could have guessed where the stock might turn, it was mentioned briefly on this thread but since there wasn't any serious intent to discuss it furthermore, I decided that wind talk was more appropriate.
Anyway, if you look at the chart, you could clearly see that one didn't have to rush to buy this falling stock.
If one knows how to wait, there was opening to trade the stock and the waiting trader could have profited easily money without fighting a reckless battle.
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yeah being patient will give you more profitable trade

in UEMLand, I also didn't enter when it was 1.64. only entered when there's higher low, hammer, and confirmation candle. my entry price was 1.75, which is 10 sens higher. But that's ok coz at least I know my risk is 10 sens. if I try to predict the bottom, and entered at 1.65, i don't even know where the hell to cut....



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 10:59 AM)
Well said.

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I hope silent readers understand the importance of what's said.
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anyway in uemland case, yes vol increase, but the spread on the down bar still wide, so i don't interpret it as people buying. it looked like strong selling to me, which is why I didn't rush to enter


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:09 AM)
UEM is news motivated yesterday, doubt u can spot the news in yr charts earlier
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but chart can gives you earlier entry.... thumbup.gif

I don't even know there was a discussion about the JV until yesterday. but the chart gives me signal to enter when it gives me higher low, hammer, and confirmation candle. so I'll just enter because my conditions were met.

anyway, now that the news are out, i was wondering whether they purposely pressed down the price from 1.90 all the way to 1.64, so that they can accumulate. after all, the discussion to do JV does not suddenly taken place overnight. surely it started months ago. and these people already knows the outcome, and how material the info is, so they'd probably said to each other "hey, why not we make money for ourselves too?" brows.gif

there are lots of hanky panky inside our Bursa anyway. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:15 AM)
I had it marked down as 1.80 as the price to buy in the other day.  smile.gif
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what was your criteria?
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:30 AM)
Do not know, but  I just treat UEM as the entry point for bigger co operation in SEA nations later.

" Companies in the region are also aggressively chasing acquisition targets within Southeast Asia to boost growth."

Looking for companies alone  this line.
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so, any other potential companies? brows.gif
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post Oct 25 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:36 AM)
Wah.. ask until so detail meh?
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lol why not? it is interesting to know what are other people criteria. brows.gif

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 25 2012, 11:43 AM)
Lesson learnt yesterday... So today made some money in the market...

I use PSAR as for trend confirmation.... buy on every pull back...
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congrats rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

looks like you grasp the concept of "trend is your friend" thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 11:57 AM)
Buy on pull back is in line with the up trend  hmm.gif
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well, no? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 12:00 PM)
I thought u say it is a falling knife or parang hmm.gif

Buy I did buy lor.
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pull back and falling knife are 2 different things. in amedia and jcy case, definitely not pull back, when it keep on making new low, and break their uptrend line. when it broke the trend line, the trend not valid anymore. Even Takaful also broke the uptrend line. these 3 definitely falling knives

pull back normally creates higher low in an uptrend. as long as it does not break the trendline, should be ok I guess to catch on the so called falling knife.

in 30mins FKLI, the trendline still not broken yet.

anyway, watch out for WASEONG..... brows.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 12:30 PM)
Thanks.

But there  are some possibilities of shark " induced/sell  activities" where they know buyers would return to support them at certain levels, creating another wave of up trend like Takaful later.

or esle they need many  lorry loads of money  to hold and support that  stock.

Just my 2sen thinking only.
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as of now, it just rebounding. established uptrend requires higher low and higher high....

sharp rebound normally are not sustainable, they normally succumb to profit taking, especially from contra players.

we'll see in 1-2 weeks time whether we can get \/\/.....cacat a bit still OK, like UEMLAND. does not have to be perfect icon_rolleyes.gif

my top watch list now are THHEAVY, WASEONG and TAKAFUL.

already unload half of my UEMLAND...hopefully can unload some more at higher price. flex.gif

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Oct 25 2012, 12:52 PM)
WASEONG, is it because downtrend is over and in consolidation + volume? Possible accumulation eh?
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i don't know whether the downtrend is over or not.

What I'm interested in, is the price gap down on 11th sept, and the follow through. the price have not been going down so much, and moving sideways with consistently high vol. someone probably accumulating, especially at 1.73. look out for small spread, testing 1.73 again, but with lower vol than average.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 25 2012, 02:48 PM)
One funny thing about Takaful is

BIMB is selling down, and EPF is buying up.
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they still have 100 mil+ shares, against 162 mil issued shares.

working together perhaps? selling to press down the price, so EPF can buy, and they also can buy back later at lower price? brows.gif

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