hye i'm newbie here...when we talk about gallon, is it refering to US gallon or UK gallon...
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Dec 16 2009, 01:35 PM
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hi guys, noobie question here...when u guys said u are keeping FISH ONLY tank, does it mean your tank was plain empty with only fish???
or u guys used artificial plant/rocks/coral to replace the live rock/coral????  |
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Dec 16 2009, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 16 2009, 03:50 PM) fish only means there's live rock. I see, thanks for enlighten me... in short FOWLR = fish only with live rock. In all marine tanks its a must to have live rock. The difference is what u keep in it. fish only, or fish+coral, or fish+inverts etc   i thought FISH ONLY and FOWLR is two different things  How long can marine fish live without filter/air pump/skimmer??? Any of you install somekind of back-up battery or power generator to support your marine tank equipment in case of blackout??? This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 16 2009, 04:02 PM |
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Dec 17 2009, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(Namgor2006 @ Dec 17 2009, 12:42 AM) No worries, man. Have u ever face the blackout problem more than 1 day? The Fish & corals actually can survive in the tank within 24 hours, they r tougher than goldfish I think, nobody ever brave enough to keep the marine fish without air pump/ filter/ protein skimmer. It's because if they do, the fish might survive but not beautiful grown.  QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 17 2009, 12:54 AM)  vary, depends type of fish, tank setup, size of tank, condition of water, most of all how your fish already used to adapt.4-8hours, some people will use battery with manual or auto cut over. i just use a dc pump, when detected blackout, battery pump will auto start to provide oksigen coral should be ok for 24hours, shipment transport around the globe just in plastic bags. however certain fish and invertebrates stay in our tank with skimmer and high oksigen, suddenly stop for too long will kill them, always good decision not to keep too many inhabitants if don't have backup plan. Actually i dont really have frequent black-out problem...it just that my job sometimes required me to travel up to a week and nobody left at home... I'm worry if heavy lightning/thunder may activate the circuit breaker and cut the power supplies whenever i'm not at home.. QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 17 2009, 02:29 AM) about air pump im wondering, you guys use air pump in your tanks? Nice one...that's another question i wish to ask I only have my hang on filter n protein skimmer. |
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Dec 17 2009, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 17 2009, 09:48 AM) wat r u doing for a living anyways? Mmmm, i'm an internal auditor actually   Sometimes the client is abroad and the assignment may take up to 2 weeks to be honest  Still assessing whether i should venture into this marine hobby since no one can help me look after the tank if i'm not around...  Power break-out is my concern at the moment... My other concern is water parameter....what parameter can drastically change (marine tank) within a week or two in case i'm not at home??? |
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Dec 17 2009, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 17 2009, 11:27 AM) no you don't, especially with air stone in reef tank should be avoid unless just backup plan for short time. thanks for the advise bro... Added on December 17, 2009, 11:44 am backup ac pump can support up to 24hrs incase blackout, anyhow you have the same concern as me, i can be away for months, last month was away for 2wks, chiller spoil cause serious damage but was lucky enough some frs to swap a chiller for me and bring it for fixing. as i always said, bigger tank is more forgiving and bigger tank you can have bigger sump, can put ca reactor, sulphur reactor and big refugium which will all contribute in keeping your water parameter intact even if you are away for 2 wks or more. just don't keep target feeding coral like rhyzo, supersun etc. |
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Dec 19 2009, 11:32 AM
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I just setup my saltwater tank yesterday...due to resource constraint, i just start with decent FOWLR 20gl tank...
Bought myself - 2ftx1ftx1.5ft tank, - hydrometer, - marine salt 4kg - testkit (ammonia, NO3, PH), - HOB filter with surface skimmer (set 100% water sucked from the skimmer to act like overflow system )- Protein skimmer with air pump Now cycling the tank with saltwater. water parameter @ the moment:- - Ammonia 0 - Nitrate 20ppm - Gravity around 1.021 - PH 8.5 - temperature hovering around 26-27c To speed up the cycling process a bit (i guess): - I use my freshwater tank filter media - also put activated carbon and used bio-ring in the filter - i premix 50% of the water with used water from my freshwater tank (that's why i got nitrate 20ppm)... However if any of the above is not advisable, do let me know....  I'm thinking to get live rock this afternoon at ikano..there are selling RM12/kg.. i dont know if its cured but they keep it in the saltwater tank and not smelly.. And should i put live sand as substrate at this stage..which one first? live sand or live rock?? Evrae90, actually i was inspired by your setup . nice that u manage to keep some coral in a small tank.. Did u used any powerhead inside the tank for water circulation?? I wanna put one in mine but afraid will raised the water temp coz i dont used any chiller What's the normal price for marine salt?? bought mine at RM33 for 4kg... since going to used quite often, is there any cheaper brand/option available... I just wanna start with FOWLR first, if this succeed then consider to get coral... This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 19 2009, 01:03 PM |
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Dec 20 2009, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 20 2009, 12:10 AM) for sand u can straight put in, ur rocks too just throw it in. not necessary to add live sand. n furthermore im not sure if ppl sell live sand. i see...Anyway, bought 3kg of live rock today and straight away throw it into my tank not necessary to get live sand in my opinion, unless u can get it cheap n easily. just get suitable sand for saltwater. mine 40% coarse sand at the base, n 60% fine sand on top. the sand will become live after u add bacteria n it grow n will colonize ur sand in time. ....haven't bought any sand yet, perhaps tomorrow...how much this bacterial additive normally cost? QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 20 2009, 12:10 AM) btw i got no corals in my tank at the moment. in my 20G i do have a powerhead 500gpi italian made. china brand powerhead cheap I'm such a noob that i was thinking anemone is a coral but will boil your fish. try it first, my lfs was kind enuf to let me change. ....so that's mean i can keep anemone in a decent FOWLR setup right  ...dont need those expensive high wattage lighting...looking forward for this... |
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 20 2009, 06:44 PM) lol my tank is small thats why lighting is not such a big problem. i just upgrade my cycled tank to larger capacity 2.5 feet @ 42gal...havent bought the sand yet,still looking around... and just an advice,when you get your sand, remove your live rock, add the sand then only add the rock. the sand will cushion your rock, thus reducing chance of damage to your tank base. for anemone you might want to wait a while til your tank is established because: 1) to ensure good water condition 2) since you're traveling you might not be able to monitor your tank which is crucial in the initial stages 3) if your anemone dies in your absence, your tank will get f****d up real bad. 4) you will regret smelling a dead anemone anyways what fish are you planning to get bro? im planning on getting a pair of clarkii clowns the black and yellow based ones, a tiny blue tang and maybe a firefish. going to ikano next month to check out live stock there. for anemone, i plan to get it after 1 or 2 months if everything ok... Plan to get clowns, tangs, cardinals, gobbies and perhaps some hermit crabs Went to Ikano last thursday but seems they're short of marine livestock...only few fishes available...hopefully they will restock for christmas QUOTE(ruknu @ Dec 20 2009, 08:50 PM) hi........my latest tank............ How big is your tank bro? coz the wavemaker looks big to my eyes....how much it cost??? any comment please...........  Anyway, whats the recommended rated flow for powerhead for internal water circulation???? Planning to get one but highflow powerhead (china made) always rated with high wattage (i.e 40watt) which i assume will overheat my "chillless" tank QUOTE(Namgor2006 @ Dec 20 2009, 11:38 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Did u test for KH? KH for Marine Tank should be 11 degree that can stabilise ur water pH... What is live sands anyway? |
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Dec 21 2009, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 21 2009, 04:59 AM) cool. just a suggestion, you might want to add this Those plastic mesh seems interesting, thanks for the idea man i bought 1mx1m of plastic wire mesh cost me rm5, cut into the size of my tank and put on my aquarium base. for powerhead, take your true water volume n multiply by 8. eg 40 gallon tank - live rock volume, maybe only 36 gallons will be left. so 36x8 = 288 gph. round it up n u get 300gph. wtf 40 watts? my first powerhead which i tested was 1500gph, only 25 watts. china made as well. price was Rm20 i later returned it to the shop, because it was blowing all my sand away. too strong n it raised my water temp to 30 C. guess i have to call ikano before i go there, else go to puchong oceanic. .....So 300gph is sufficient rite.huhu nice, those flowrate usually rated 10-15watt oni ....the 40watt one was rated 2000gph, luckly i didn't buy And where should i place this powerhead? is it below near the substrate, in the middle, or upper level near the surface??? QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 21 2009, 09:26 AM) KH noneed to test during first month, after your tank stable only it will drop but also slowly depends on your live stocks. PH swing high in day and low as night, there's no point of measuring it, so far never check PH. Thanks for the info bro if your pump too strong it will over stress your fish, most corals won't open and with high risk of anemone being suck into the powerhead, many time this thing happen ...today plan to buy aragonite for substrate...it based of calcium carbonate, which help stabilized the PH rite... |
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Guys, I've bought some sand yesterday...however i didnt put it yet coz noticed that much debris fall off my live rock...
if i'm going to put any substrate, that means those debris will mix with the substrate and difficult to clean up... These debris is dead organism from the LR rite, will this process eventually stop once my tank has complete the cycle?? |
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Dec 22 2009, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 22 2009, 02:51 PM) what kind of debris? what does it look like? At first i thought it was undissolved sea-salt... but then when i look closely it's like small particles brownish in color...also found one little tiny crab dead body you can spray your live rock with water to get the stuff out. |
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My tank temperature is raising as i fill it up
,- 1st day, empty tank with live rock only ----> 26-27'c - 3rd day, put-in 10watt 1000lph powerhead -----> 27-28'c - 4th day, put-in sands to cover half of the tank bed ----> 28-29'c At the moment i DIY three 12cm PC fans to blow the tank surface & manage to bring down the temp to 27'c or 81'F Still wanna put another 5kg sands and maybe 4kg of live rock... What are these thing anyway (circled in red)...found it grow since day 2 on my liverock.... is it safe or should it scrap it off???? there's few others around my LR  This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 24 2009, 02:14 PM |
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hye guys, would it be sufficient to feed the fish with flakes....
i browse through internet and found out about some fish can be feed with brine shrimps and frozen feed...does it same like the one for freshwater fish...?? did LFS selling brine shrimps and frozen feed for saltwater fish??? i'm planning to keep tangs, clowns, goby, damsel in my tank.... This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 29 2009, 12:11 PM |
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QUOTE(edthrax @ Dec 29 2009, 07:53 PM) yeah.. there's few lfs selling frozen food, i bought my mysis n brine shrimp at oceanic in puchong...east aqua ikano sells brine shrimp too but always out of stock for mysis.. Puchong quite far for me, ikano have arr....how much they are selling those feeds... |
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QUOTE(edthrax @ Dec 29 2009, 09:37 PM) if ikano..i think rm4.80 for frozen brine shrimp.. there's another shop at kota damansara.. near giant kota damasara... there selling rm4 only.. Kota D'sara? i think i know that if it's located near giant..thanks for the info QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 29 2009, 11:13 PM) tang need train it to eat pallets else will die of mulnutrition, certain tang doesn't take flakes, certain only glaze algae or even specific type of algae only, some need live plankton That's what i'm doing rite now...read a bit & asking around to ensure i don't misunderstand.... clown is pig, will eat almost everything, overfeed will kill them goby not recommended for new tank, most goby only eat live pod so if your tank less thank 6months than can forget it, unless u train it to take frozen food. damsel can throw away before go buy any fish , study first , buy a book, check the internet or else don't buy, better leave them in the ocean Thanks for the info Read about goby feed on live pod...however when i surf around there are live pod been selling in bottle online....does this live pod available at our LFS??? This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 30 2009, 12:59 AM |
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Dec 30 2009, 04:44 AM) agree with alex, screw damsels. Ooohhh, poor damsels...why u guys hate it so much My brine shimp cost Rm2 only lol. I saw a goby eating cabbage =.= and in another shop i saw the same species of goby feeding on brine shrimp and pellets. I read damsels are notorious....however lots of LFS put them with other fish and it seems they live happily together.... QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 30 2009, 09:21 AM) occasionally some LFS will sell but expensive, live pod u can breed with big refugium in your sump tank or your tank is big , lots of hiding places and the pod already grow until the level which it's population won't be wipe out totally by the goby. Perhaps can buy a bottle and pour it in separate 10 gallon tank then breed it is it possible?? But need to feed with phyto rite... This post has been edited by silverbolt143: Dec 30 2009, 03:51 PM |
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QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 30 2009, 07:35 PM) when they are by the dozens it won't fight, anyhow is ok if u like it, jusy buy hihihi, got attracted with the yellow tail one and it's so cheap QUOTE(edthrax @ Dec 30 2009, 07:58 PM) i bought 2 damsels when i started.. at first they're ok...but after they really settled in.. quite aggresive if a new fish go to its 'area'... decided to take them out.. which is quite hard too... nice experience to share |
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QUOTE(dananmy @ Jan 3 2010, 09:49 PM) Hi Avrae, well I saw a forum saying he saw crab coming out fr his stone and catch his Nemo, I don want that to happen to my fish! And they say is better to take out any life thingy comin out fr stone prevent trouble they giv in future... Also heard this kind of experience before but i think it's only risky if the crab as big as the one sold at wet market i myself got at least 5 crabbies inside my live rock but they're relatively small around 0.5-1.5cm... most of the time they hide inside the live rock and pretty impossible to catch them... Unless u willing to soak your live rock with 100'c boiling water.... QUOTE(Namgor2006 @ Jan 3 2010, 11:43 PM) Sorry, i can't help if u're not staying at KL/ Selangor area... i know one LFS here, the staff can help u to modify ur lamp by using the ballast selling there. I'm planning to DIY housing for 2 feet T5HO however it's difficult to find the parts... most LFS only sell aftermarket T5HO housing such as aquazonic which cost at least RM1++... Ace Hardware outlets and some 'lowya' LFS did sell normal T5 with housing/holder around RM20 but it's for normal home application of energy saving light. The wattage rating is less than 20watt and i dont think suitable for High Output T5 tube.... Did anybody had experience DIY T5HO housing and share where to get the parts i.e. ballast, pin sockets etc around klang valley.... QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Jan 4 2010, 12:38 AM) about the crab depends la, ur nemo so big dun tell me can lose to a small crab lol. is it land hermit or sea hermit??? IINM, the one roaming along the beach is land hermit and not suitable to be kept in saltwater 24/7....anybody knows wat do hermit crabs eat exactly? i have one very small one in my tank, i duno wats it eating, maybe the algae. wanna go seaside n collect more. Land hermit require 50/50 dry/wet condition and freshwater for them to drink..Perhaps can check Hermit thread for details.... Me also looking for sea hermit (red legged cleaner hermit) but couldnt found at any LFS...Ikano one is land hermit... |
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QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Jan 4 2010, 04:40 PM) mine is sea hermit. its been in my tank for a few weeks now, it came with my live rock. Wahh, so nice u got hermit from the liverock...me only got lots of crabbies  QUOTE(Evrae90 @ Jan 4 2010, 04:40 PM) about your lights, my lfs did DIY his T5HO, ill ask him when i visit him. That would be nice...i really appreciate it... On the other points, why is the price for SERA test kit is generally double compared to API brands?? Does different brand have difference level of reliability and accuracy??? I found SERA nitrite test kit was priced @ RM41 with only 75 tests while API with 180 test was price RM27.... |
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