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icemamario
post Dec 4 2010, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(doidoi @ Dec 1 2010, 06:07 AM)
Hi everyone there, I planing to start my 1ft saltwater tank this weekend, but I'm not sure what test kits and chemicals should I get for the tank to cycle 1st. Anyone can give me some guides ?
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im not sifu ,but stil can share some experience ,1st do u know the cycle means?wat lifestock u gona buy?coral tank?or only fish.u say ur tank is 1 feet.is it wif sump?
i suggest u read and research 1st b4 start

http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=220
http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=231
http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=232
http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=233
http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=234

ps; marine tank is need lot of $+time+patients
pls think twice b4 u get start.
remember !
Keep these corals/fishes responsibly..they belong to the sea..

This post has been edited by icemamario: Dec 4 2010, 07:21 PM
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post Dec 5 2010, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(doidoi @ Dec 4 2010, 10:43 PM)
Thank you for sharing, but i already bought a 1 ft tank this morning, and had it start cycling just now. 3 pcs of live rock, sand bed and some dead corals.
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since u alr bought.remember put a market shrimp let the tank cycle if fish only tank .test ur ph.ammonia ,nitrate .No2,No3 . if coral tank.phosp,kh.calcium.mag and ect ...don waste $ buy any supplements 1st.u havent need it. don rush get life stock.and do research of stock u gona put.don rush.gd luck and enjoy it

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post Dec 5 2010, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(doidoi @ Dec 5 2010, 01:14 PM)
Do you mean I can put in the market prawn now ? Tester kit, i havent get any yet, cuz plan to start checking after 1 or 2 months later, then only add in live stock is it ok to do like tat ? And about the lighting, i havent get any yet, cuz the LFS said i still dun it any light yet.
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ya .u can put fish food or market prawn .but lot of ppl wont do that.they will intro a cheap fish like damsel .but thats was cure. not need so long if u will not overstock ur tank or keep hard fish or coral like tang
a new tank nitrite ,ammonia is 0 ,after u put in a piece market prawn into tank the cycle will begin.ammonia will increase ,so thn nitrite .Nitrate is a byproduct of ammonia and nitrite and is not toxic. Once your ammonia and nitrite are zero, you have established a biological filter and your tank is cycled. The whole process could take six or seven weeks so be patient..

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http://www.oscarfishlover.com/helpful-arti...ing-an-aquarium

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post Dec 5 2010, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(doidoi @ Dec 5 2010, 06:31 PM)
If i crushed some live rock and coral and place it into the filter to replace bio-ring, is it recommended ?
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yup.if ur crush lr bad bacteria free
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post Dec 7 2010, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(doidoi @ Dec 5 2010, 08:54 PM)
How did you all get rid of extra LR ?


Added on December 5, 2010, 8:56 pm
How to know the life rock is bad bacteria free ?
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erm.not so sure bout the test.as i know is.the lr is clean ,(no red algae or green algae) ,if u buy from lfs u can c the water condition.normally if the lr tank was connect to their fish tank.means the % of clean was high.if u want make sure 100% the lr is clean.mayb u can put inside the fresh water for few day or let it dry under sun.of coz this will make ur lr become dead rock.hope my explanation was correct


Added on December 7, 2010, 6:45 pm
QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 7 2010, 06:02 AM)
Hello to all the masters of marine tank here, I just started a marine tank. I also thinking of a way to get rid of extra LR as well, cause now my tank looks more like a LR tank instead of reef tank or FWLR tank.

Is the way, doidoi suggested can really replace bio-ring. How about the effect ?

And one more question, what is the different between tap water and RO water ? I have been browsing through the net, but still can't figure out the answer.
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if i was u,i wont use the "master or sifu"as we all still learning.don think got ppl who know very well every reef secret ..ppl will afraid to share their experiences coz afraid as giving wrong reply will get flame.
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1st do u know wat bio ring work as?it give a benefit bacteria as home to survive and population .so thn the crush coral.
2ndthe more lr u have ,the more stable tank u can get.coz it provide lot of hidden place to populate the bacteria and pod.normally a 3 feet tank will intro 50kg-100kg depends.thats y reef tank need a strong support cabinet.
3tha ro water is a pure water free from all chemical by using a gd filtering like diamond water .or u can go buy ro water from water machine somekind like rm 0.20 per litter .and tap water is normal "paip water' inside the paip water got alot of Carolin ,phosphate,ect..

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post Dec 7 2010, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 7 2010, 07:27 PM)
The LR just way too much, i just worried no space for those fishes to swim, and if the fishes hit the LR, it might fall on the glass of my aquarium  sweat.gif
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aiyo friend.the lr u have to scape la.go search it.somekind like pyramid.inside is empty 1.can let the small fish hide inside too.u can use a glue to stick it.
if only fot(fish only tank)u not need so much lr lo.without lr also nvm whistling.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(pakutekan @ Dec 7 2010, 07:45 PM)
who have chiller for sale? heheee
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wat ur tank size.which modal u prefers.pls classified it la
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post Dec 9 2010, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 8 2010, 09:56 PM)
hahaha, but my tank already cycle 5 days d. If wan to do all the scaping, really need to restart the whole tank again lu, cuz need to make the LR to dead rock 1st.
But i m planing to just dry the rock with tissue paper and glue it with epoxy and quickly place it back into tank again, hope wont kill those organisms.  laugh.gif
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good to hear u cycle without getting LS 1st..many ppl include me cant tahan.keep restock and restock,at the end,boom..tank crash.
mayb starting u will lazy to rescaping ur lr.but at end u will like it so much whistling.gif ,ya u can use a aqua underwater epoxy,it harden in 5 min.
but after u cycle ur tank.wat in ur mind bout the LS
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post Dec 9 2010, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 9 2010, 06:54 AM)
Now hoping to c algae on my LR  tongue.gif
For fish i wish to get 2 clown, seahorse and flame angel, but i read the website, said tat flame angel is not suitable for small tank like mine, but still thinking of trying to find 1 small 1. Hermit crab and sand star.

For coral, i just know sponge coral and mushroom only  laugh.gif
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lol..which algae ,Coraline (high calcium)or green algae(high phosphate). whistling.gif carefull of the starfish,some kind r harmful for the coral,mushroom and button is easy maintain coral.gogogo..will wating u change tank soon whistling.gif
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post Dec 10 2010, 03:26 AM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 9 2010, 07:49 PM)
Both ler  drool.gif But not sure the flame angel here exp or not. Star fish ar, i read previous thread said sand star go for cleaning poo poo. If i change to bigger tank, i think my sis and parents will cut me into pieces and put in the tank. sweat.gif
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btw whr ur location.flame angel wont too expensive la.after u make ur tank look nice.sure they will ask u change bigger tank.like my previous.my mum keep complain me when i have my 2 feet nano.but after that.she suggest me go for bigger and bigger tongue.gif
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post Dec 10 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 10 2010, 06:21 AM)
If my family support ar, I'm sure the sun will be rising at the west. PJ lor, but i go all the way to Kuchai Lama to check out those marine stuff  tongue.gif I think there is a hitchhiker in my life rock ler. Whenever i get near to the tank, i saw a shadow, move at back to holes on the LR. Hope not a bad 1. What drill bead do u recommend for making holes on LR ?
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lol...if is a crap.if posible try catch it out.try diy a trap wif mineral water botal.since u stil no fish and coral,that more easy lo.take out the lr whistling.gif .normaly they will come out at nite.try use torchlight check.y u want make a holes at lr,u can use any drill tools.coz act the lr is not so harden.
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post Dec 17 2010, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 15 2010, 06:57 AM)
Hi Alex, at last manage to see you to post. My tank is about 1 or 1.5 ft, so i dun think chiller is recommend for that.
But i saw a LFS, they selling a type of cooling fan that just stick to the aquarium and blowing the wind at the glass instead of surface of the aquarium, is it ok to use that ? About the cover, is there any flat type selling in the market ?
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which lfs told u that nano tank not recommend using chiller.the effect is similar to you using fan.. the only thing is using this, no need to worry about water evaporation. u can try a mini chiller like dolphin chiller mc-789.cost only near rm 150 for new.u can get 2nd hand almost half price.and the price almost same wif u buy the cooling fan.if u stil want give a try of fan.u can get it from any electric shop,ac 4'fan bout rm 25-35.and diy a fan stand
but bro mallow.y suddenlly discuss bout the cooling topic.izzit stil too early for u to get it.


Added on December 17, 2010, 2:40 pm
QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 16 2010, 08:52 AM)
mallow

you can reduce the rock a bit, overcrowded.

what you need to buy is

1) termometer
2) NO3 test kit (rest all don't need)
3) some extra sea salt

after you monitor your water tempreture for 1-2 days only can decide need a fan or not.

keeping fish only ( tempreture swing 3-5c tolerance )
keeping coral ( tempreture swing 1-2c tolerance )

stable tempreture is what you looking for.

it can be 30-31 all the time and your fish will be ok

but if you use air con and it swing 24-31c on/off than that will be bad.

lighting depends on you want to keep corals or not? what type
sps? lps? target feed?softie?
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bro alexlow.seem like ur eye really gd.u can check the ph.ammonia ,nitrate .No2,No3 without test kits. many ppl making a same mistake.saving rm 1 waste rm 100.of coz stil have a way to escape to buy all the test kit.hardworking wc,(every single day or 2 day wc)

about the temp and decide need a fan or not.only is after u get ur lighting set.wave maker.powerhead.skimmer.that all will produce heat.

but i agree wif u bout the too much diff temp.temp diff should b around +-2c only.if u want maintain it.either u use chiller to control it,or u get a heater

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post Dec 18 2010, 03:15 AM

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bro,ur tank size is? 2x1x1?seem like ur coral living hapy :clap:no fish? but stil got lot space for add coral if rescaping it whistling.gif

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post Dec 18 2010, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(bukanmain @ Dec 18 2010, 04:38 PM)
this is old picture although no new coral added but 1 died..they can grow very very big until it killed some of each other without me noticing..

got fish but this is took during the night semua sudah zzzzz..
i plan to add carpet ..coral enough for now..
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ya,some members never understand the coral need space to grow.and some r harmful to each other.hahathey keep scaping it as close as can .
a small tank is not suggest to keep a anemone type.unless plate anemone and anemone tube.they need bigger place to moving searching for their "perfect home"while moving,it will harm other coral

ps:to all reef keeper ,goggle b4 get ur next coral and fish ya


Added on December 18, 2010, 8:17 pm
QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 18 2010, 05:19 PM)
Anyone want LR in PJ area? Wan to give away one pcs of mine, tank no space :'(
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y don u just pack it in a plastic bag and put inside store.if u continue this hobbies ,u will stil need it tongue.gif

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post Dec 19 2010, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(bukanmain @ Dec 18 2010, 11:12 PM)
true i find a marine tank is a pretty slow hobby ..if u rush you might lose ur whole tank or ur money..

corals are not easy to just add add scrap2..you must consider their growth/nature..you dont really want to cramp everything inside a tank..

bro just keep ur LR i also got keep some ..wat i did is dry it for few days then keep in double plastic and tadaaaa settle
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bro.10000% agree of that rclxms.gif


Added on December 19, 2010, 12:28 am
QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 18 2010, 11:18 PM)
Mean it gonna be dead rock ??


Added on December 18, 2010, 11:25 pmThe piece of LR i wan to move is a small 1, but there is a feather duster like hitchhiker at one of it corner, feel like wanna keep it, can i break the part with feather duster and keep the other remaining part ?
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don too wory bout the dead lr.the lr will die when dry or even in water without o2 ...but remember don direct put a dead rock inside the tank.the dead bacterial will populate.but after the dead rock put inside the tank ,a mini cycle in process.= liverock

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post Dec 19 2010, 12:41 AM

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and share my lausy tank.stop stocking for long time.due my hometown was in limited stock.will drive to kl next month to "qiong "coral

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post Dec 19 2010, 03:59 PM

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waaa bukanmain.24cc?ur chiller must work hard thn.me put 26 only.
thx.mallow for kind word.last time i tot my tank is prety enough,but after i visit some extrema reef sifu .i just know wat is full tank means = =
sea fan not so hard to take care.or mayb im the lucky 1.almost 4 mth stil healty.stil ned hunt lot of it,plan want use sea fan as background = =
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post Dec 19 2010, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 19 2010, 05:49 PM)
Just bought a waver and a thermometer, and check temperature is about 28.1, haven't add light yet, grrrrr.. My tank size is 50cm x 30 cm, i tried to find light in LFS, they just  got 60cm length and 30 cm length. if wan to add some coral, 2 x 30cm to put in width or 1 x 60cm to put in length or 1 x 30cm to put in width, which 1 better ?
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for me i will get 2 x30cm white and 2 x 30 cm blue
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post Dec 19 2010, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 19 2010, 08:48 PM)
how is the noise level for your hailea? i using resun and is very noisy.

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Added on December 19, 2010, 8:50 pmbtw mallow, 4watt per gallon is the general rules. so count your tank vol and estimate the output require.

some corals are not suitable for beginner, study first
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me using hailea 650.start up and stop noise slower thn resun whistling.gif
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post Dec 20 2010, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(alexlow @ Dec 19 2010, 10:00 PM)
hailea 650? is a new model?

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ops.my bad.is Unistar UNI-650 sweat.gif


Added on December 20, 2010, 12:15 am
QUOTE(Mallow @ Dec 19 2010, 10:11 PM)
Seems like a lot ppl not satisfy with the Dolphin mini chiller, what cheap chiller can i get ?
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from whr u get the info?

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