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 Basic Intake and Exhaust Modification Guide, for normal aspirated cars v1.0

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samwongjyhhorng
post Mar 30 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 29 2011, 11:18 PM)
Since you're driving Swift Sport ... probably this blog will give you some idea on mods.

http://suzukiswiftsport.blogspot.com/
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hi, powerzone or hotbits extractor,which one ok?my car is Persona elagance auto..i ady got hotbits mid and rear section..juz wonder wanna use powerzone or hotbits extractor.tq
samwongjyhhorng
post Apr 5 2011, 10:07 PM

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recently i ady install powerzone extractor in my persona auto,if i wanna use hotbits mid and rear section,the performance ok or not?i means low and mid end torque and maintain top end as well..


Added on April 5, 2011, 10:08 pmrecently i ady install powerzone extractor in my persona auto,if i wanna use hotbits mid and rear section,the performance ok or not?i means low and mid end torque and maintain top end as well..

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post Apr 11 2011, 10:53 AM

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i should install 2 bullet and s flow muffler,1 bullet,1midbox and s flow muffler or juz use the hotbits mid and rear?i was use the powerzone extractor nw..pls give me d suggestion.tq
samwongjyhhorng
post Apr 11 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Apr 11 2011, 05:49 PM)
nope but if no leak ur engine will sputter abit then shut down
kasi restart la
i do this test each time ppl suspect got leak in thier engine anot
muy forman teach me 1


Added on April 11, 2011, 5:53 pm
can but may be causing a restriction if using two bulllet and undo ur efford to free flow the exhaust gas
but plus side may lower the noise
but for me no point
but this olso depend on the bullet construction
any bullet are good for me but dont listen those sin ka lan say use swirlling bullet !!!!
it can cause more restriction than oem bullet because it mess with the symtheny effect
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so install 2 bullet and s flow muffler oso can gain more low and mid end,and can maintain top speed as well,rite?i dun wan noisy so i choose two bullet..
samwongjyhhorng
post Apr 18 2011, 09:27 PM

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my exhaust system setup is 4-2-1 powerzone extractor,2 bullet and s flow muffler for my persona auto..but i found tat my muffler sound quite loud..why will be like tis?any solution to reduce the sound?


Added on April 20, 2011, 6:26 pmanybody wanna install s flow muffler?i got stainless steel s flow muffler for sell onli RM180..use less than 1 week

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samwongjyhhorng
post May 8 2011, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(william85 @ May 8 2011, 02:38 AM)
my swift auto setup 4-2-1, stock mid pipe and straight muffler(HKS silent hi-power) is quite noisy. wanna change mid pipe any suggestion on mid pipe? to reduce the noise and increase abit on back pressure ya. i'm newbiez on exhaust.
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4-2-1 extractor,one bullet(dun use swirl one,will more noisy),one mid box and s flow muffler..tis is d way to minimize the sound..
samwongjyhhorng
post Jun 13 2011, 07:49 PM

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today juz realized d distance of bullet and midbox of my car is onli 4 inch..d exhaust shop advise me to extend it to 12inch lo..is it will got more power after i extend it?

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post Aug 9 2011, 11:17 PM

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recently my setup for bullet and midbox,the distance between bullet and midbox is around 4inch..if i change the distance to 12inch,is it will affect the power?

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post Sep 24 2011, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Sep 24 2011, 01:29 AM)
search swirl bullet in this forum, u will find answer for spiral bullet there, same goes for straight bullet

straight bullet more performance than spiral for sure, FC depends on exhaust setup. if its custom to ur rpm habit then FC is lower, if it is set out of ur rpm habit then FC can be high

1 bullet is the best, 2 bullets just add up backpressure, if some people tell u to use 2 bullets for power, that means ur pipe is too big for ur engine or ur application. in that case, swap smaller pipe and remain 1 bullet, that is way better, no flow restriction, just faster flow velocity
12inch is better than 4 inch i suppose cause u have longer pipe length after bullet to build up exhaust velocity and aid scavenge out gas from the bullet before the gas enter ur midbox

why using bullet and midbox? for noise reduction or power improvement?

here is setup for race performance exhaust with street muffled system:
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the resonator box (bullet) separates ur header and collector from the rest of exhaust system so header and collector length are kept tuned.
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midbox to reduce the noise lo..previously use 2 bullet,sound very noisy..so tat means after change to 12inch,then can gain more pick up and top speed?
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post Sep 24 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Sep 24 2011, 11:08 PM)
what is ur current setup? best power curve is to use 1 midbox only, if its too noisy, better swap smaller pipe and get bigger body straight muffler at the back

mine is a straight flow setup but sounds like sflow. the back muffler has small piping and really big body.

i suppose ull get more power across certain rpm with 12" distance but no special peak. if u want some noticeable boost, use only one 3" midbox in the middle, everything else remain the same. this will fatten ur midrange, trust me biggrin.gif

noise wise, if the drone is bothering u, custom a side branch resonator. this will confirm eliminate the drone. ill tell u how to do if u want
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wat is d sid branch resonator?how to do it rclxms.gif my current setup is 4-2-1 powerzone extractor,bullet,midbox then is s flow muffler..my one is auto..the whole piping still remain ori size..
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post Oct 2 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Oct 1 2011, 09:00 PM)
Supercircuit in sunway, can ask for more steel wool than fibreglass so longer lasting for high heat application. can custom to ur specific dimension. price differs from car to car. I did mine there, paid deposit, waited 3 days for it and now very satisfied biggrin.gif
oh how so?..every car manual usually states the cam timing degree, its ok, whats ur engine? i try look for the exhaust open BBDC for u. without it i cant do anything much really
i quote this from other site:
backpressure causes higher exhaust noise due to turbulence of slow moving gas from bigger pipe being collided by high speed gas behind it from exhaust port

if we want lowest possible noise, do piping as straight as possible, use biggest muffler canister/body, use smallest muffler pipe that flows enough for the engine. i believe if anyone is after pure exhaust performance, never use reverse flow / sflow / swirl unless one believe backpressure is needed to make power biggrin.gif

there is a difference between sflow type and small pipe in terms of flow restriction:
- sflow system RESTRICT exhaust by blocking the path and forces the gas to change direction
- small pipe system CONSTRICT exhaust to smaller volume, therefore increasing its pressure and hence is forced to move faster, it does not forces gas to change direction
- downside of small pipe is, it does not allow power in big throttle difference in short time i.e. sudden wide open throttle will give u a holdback. it works very well with progressive increasing throttle, so driver is also accountable to make power in this case

just for fun, check this out, apprently straight thru muffler does not really act like straight pipe, it acts more like a megaphone:
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yea thats the problem of fitting the box, space limitation, tune the downpipe length longer to fit the box and boosted rpm will be lowered biggrin.gif

i dont really rely on exhaust shops for exhaust info anymore, i rely only on their outstanding welding skill. this technique has been practiced for decades in racing scenes in western countries, but i never encountered anyone who tried this yet here so lets prove it biggrin.gif
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is it possible make the exhaust noise quite loud since my midbox and bullet distance onli 4inch,somemore i use s flow muffler?is it will reduce noise after i change the distance to 12inch?is it back pressure will reduce the pick up or top speed?i plan to remove my bullet and use midbox onli..it will make my car exhaust noise more louder or remain same?how about performance?
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post Oct 10 2011, 07:55 PM

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my car was use 4-2-1,12inch bullet and midbox,then is s flow muffler..plan to take out the bullet and use midbox onli,is it will affect the performance?my car is persona auto..the pipe diameter still remain stock..is it i need to change to more larger or more smaller diameter?
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post Oct 11 2011, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Oct 10 2011, 07:55 PM)
my car was use 4-2-1,12inch bullet and midbox,then is s flow muffler..plan to take out the bullet and use midbox onli,is it will affect the performance?my car is persona auto..the pipe diameter still remain stock..is it i need to change to more larger or more smaller diameter?
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Is it nobody can help me to answer my question?another question is my bullet n midbox distance onli 4inch,is it oso wil affect top speed?
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post Oct 11 2011, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 11 2011, 09:48 PM)
IMHO, d distance is not d big question... d big question is d diameter of pipe in between of dat 2...
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piping diameter still is original..if i take out the bullet and use the midbox onli,isit performance still remain same or more worse?
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post Oct 11 2011, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 11 2011, 10:07 PM)
this 1 need ask d exhaust specialist dat put 2 muffler for u..  in velocity terms, it doesnt matter, onli d sound might b louder abit..in pressure wave tuning, m not sure..
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i asked around 3 exhaust shop oledi..all told me different story..one told me take out is same,one told me the distance of bullet and midbox too near,need extend to 12inch lo..so i hope sifu here can help me
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post Oct 12 2011, 08:11 AM

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[quote=upontheriversky,Oct 12 2011, 02:28 AM]
i guess kelisa stock gear ratio at higher gears are not meant for accelerating, more for cruising so its more difficult to spin the engine faster at higher gears to achieve high rpm, so more difficult to get high exhaust velocity. i think the same goes for most daily car stock gearboxes.

thats why 3-1 or bigger piping really good for pickup, at lower gears its easier to go i.e. 7-8k rpm and bigger pipe size can be used effectively in this case
ooh fark..lets do it hahaha biggrin.gif


Added on October 12, 2011, 2:57 am

keep the 4-2-1, keep stock piping, if midbox is straight and has larger diameter internal pipe than bullet, then keep it and remove the bullet, remove s-flow and replace with straight flow muffler that has same internal pipe size as ur stock piping or close enough. Make sure straight flow muffler at the back has diameter not more than 0.5" from ur stock pipe but if u can find same size is always the best, can use more than 0.5" but not efficient so best to avoid. most exhaust shop will say can use much bigger diameter muffler but does not say whether it is the best for ur car

midbox position plays a big role in the exhaust powerband so pay attention to the location in ur system. basically shorter distance between midbox and extractor will boost power at high rpm and longer for lower rpm.in general 12-18" for higher rpm, 18-30" for midrange and 30-42" for high torque at lower rpm, but anything shorter than 12" can lose out on potential power plus its not possible to fit a midbox at 12" after extractor, that would be near gearbox or crossmember d. i think for auto its best to use distance between low and mid range, something like 24-36" as gear shift point is usually in this rpm area

more specific distance i would need some info on ur engine.

noise wise, i like to think of the noise level of a muffler as a function of its body to pipe size ratio. when comparing 2 mufflers, i.e. given the same body dimension, the smaller internal pipe will sound much lower. so if u have a tight noise regulation rule, get the biggest body muffler u can fit under ur car having smallest internal pipe that flows enough for ur engine and application. plus silent and fast car looks more sophisticated hehehe



bottomline, never use sflow if power is what u want.
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my car is campro 1.6.so tat means after i take out d bullet,d performance oso same,rite?if i use bec ori midbox instead of my current midbox,is it ok?


Added on October 12, 2011, 8:13 am[quote=upontheriversky,Oct 12 2011, 02:28 AM]
i guess kelisa stock gear ratio at higher gears are not meant for accelerating, more for cruising so its more difficult to spin the engine faster at higher gears to achieve high rpm, so more difficult to get high exhaust velocity. i think the same goes for most daily car stock gearboxes.

thats why 3-1 or bigger piping really good for pickup, at lower gears its easier to go i.e. 7-8k rpm and bigger pipe size can be used effectively in this case
ooh fark..lets do it hahaha biggrin.gif


Added on October 12, 2011, 2:57 am

keep the 4-2-1, keep stock piping, if midbox is straight and has larger diameter internal pipe than bullet, then keep it and remove the bullet, remove s-flow and replace with straight flow muffler that has same internal pipe size as ur stock piping or close enough. Make sure straight flow muffler at the back has diameter not more than 0.5" from ur stock pipe but if u can find same size is always the best, can use more than 0.5" but not efficient so best to avoid. most exhaust shop will say can use much bigger diameter muffler but does not say whether it is the best for ur car

midbox position plays a big role in the exhaust powerband so pay attention to the location in ur system. basically shorter distance between midbox and extractor will boost power at high rpm and longer for lower rpm.in general 12-18" for higher rpm, 18-30" for midrange and 30-42" for high torque at lower rpm, but anything shorter than 12" can lose out on potential power plus its not possible to fit a midbox at 12" after extractor, that would be near gearbox or crossmember d. i think for auto its best to use distance between low and mid range, something like 24-36" as gear shift point is usually in this rpm area

more specific distance i would need some info on ur engine.

noise wise, i like to think of the noise level of a muffler as a function of its body to pipe size ratio. when comparing 2 mufflers, i.e. given the same body dimension, the smaller internal pipe will sound much lower. so if u have a tight noise regulation rule, get the biggest body muffler u can fit under ur car having smallest internal pipe that flows enough for ur engine and application. plus silent and fast car looks more sophisticated hehehe



bottomline, never use sflow if power is what u want.
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my car is campro 1.6.so tat means after i take out d bullet,d performance oso same,rite?if i use bec ori midbox instead of my current midbox,is it ok?


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post Oct 16 2011, 02:14 PM

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Is it auto car can use 4-1?wat difference wit 4-2-1?
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post Nov 17 2011, 07:50 AM

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[quote=Max_speedz,Nov 17 2011, 12:49 AM]
wah what happen to ur cvt gbox??
scared something happend with my sis car bcoz i already 5 day lenjan her car 140kmh going to work and jalan2 recently...
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How to knw d exhaust got leaking or not?my car oledi modify full exhaust.after start d engine,when i am stand beside d driver door,i can smell d gas perfume..when i lie down look at mid box there,i stil can smell it.is it cause by leaking?
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post Dec 5 2011, 07:52 AM

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Can teach me how to check whether exhaust got leaking or not?
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post Dec 5 2011, 09:01 AM

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My setup nw is 421 powerzone extractor,bullet,midbox n s flow muffler.b4 tis wit extractor onli,i can hit 200kmh.nw after change mid n rear,once i hit 185kmh then difficult to climb to 200.d feel is,when i speed 180 wit a bit more than half pedal,d rpm around 4.7k,then i full throttle it,d rpm wil climb to near to 5k rpm,then after within 3sec,then it wil drop to 4.7k bec.then it cause difficult to over 185 lo..after i test release n press again full throttle,then it wil happen again wat i mentioned b4.is it i need change d piping size?my car is persona elegance auto

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