QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 9 2021, 04:44 PM)
Strange why I can access the link ... anyway, try this : https://www.parlimen.gov.my/bills-dewan-rak...web=dr&lang=en#
and check the 1st one in the table.
Singapore REITS, S-REITS
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 9 2021, 04:44 PM) Strange why I can access the link ... anyway, try this : https://www.parlimen.gov.my/bills-dewan-rak...web=dr&lang=en# and check the 1st one in the table. |
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Nov 11 2021, 01:42 PM
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https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/my/pdf...-highlights.pdf
The cat is pretty much out of the bag... active or passive income all kena tax :-( This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 11 2021, 01:43 PM |
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Nov 11 2021, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 11 2021, 05:18 PM) Tq fro the above, bro,... Page 5, bullet 1I read the contents quickly,... seems to me all are individual entity matters are related to investments INSIDE Msia,... not looking at the corpoarrates. To be more specific,... where is the nearest content that relates to our SG REIT dividends being taxed, bro ? |
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Nov 11 2021, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 11 2021, 05:59 PM) Yes, thank you, bro,... missed it because no specific mention of the word : dividend. Strange, on mobile, can copy amd paste:It does not allow me to copy and paste here,.. So, I'll just type-in some key expressions here :- 1) ...received in Msia. So,... for us who are not bringing back, we will not be subjected to this taxation and do not need to contend with DTAs, etc.... Which means, for us who need to use the money in Msia, better start to transmit back before Jan 1st... Msia is still ok in the above aspect,... compared to what the Widodo govt tried to do a few years ago,... which subsequently failed. First REIT was talking abt delisting First REIT in SG and moving the REIT back to the JSX. All failed,... 2) A transitional gross rate of 3% from Jan 1 till Jun 30. So,... after jun 30 next year, the tax percentage might be increased or reduced, or have some treatments applied. There is also no mention of funds one remitted outside to be accorded capital exemption. So,.. ALL funds being TT'ed back in will be counted as 'foreign-sourced income'. Capital gains will be counted as 'foreign-sourced income' too. Any opinions,.. all bros ? here it is.... Under existing law, it is provided that any person who derives and remits foreign source income into Malaysia enjoys exemption from income tax. However, this exemption does not apply to a bank, insurance company, shipping company or airline which is a Malaysian resident. It is now proposed that foreign source income is to be subject to tax on any Malaysian resident person when such income is received in Malaysia, effective from 1 January 2022. This foreign source income will effectively be added onto the taxpayer’s other sources of income and will be taxed at the prevailing tax rates. A transitional tax rate of 3% is accorded on the gross amount remitted from 1 January 2022 to 30 June 2022. In view of the above, taxpayers with significant amounts of unremitted foreign source income accrued in earlier YAs should start assessing the tax impact if the said amounts are remitted into Malaysia from 1 January 2022 onwards. In addition, the proposal effectively covers the taxation of all income, both passively and actively derived. In this respect, taxpayers need to study the relevant DTAs, if any, to ascertain whether Malaysia has the taxing rights over such income as DTAs prevail over the domestic law. Where the same foreign income is being taxed in both Malaysia and the foreign country, tax credit in the form of bilateral relief under a DTA or unilateral relief under the domestic law (if there is no available DTA or a limited DTA does not contain such relief article) may be given on such income to eliminate / minimise double taxation It is noteworthy that certain DTAs provide that the tax credit shall take into account the foreign tax payable by the foreign company in respect of its income out of which the dividend is paid ("underlying tax credit"), if the conditions are met. However, this poses practical issues in calculating the underlying tax credit especially on multiple tier dividend paying companies, which we hope the IRB will in the near future provide some guidance. The above proposal comes into operation on 1 January 2022. Hansel liked this post
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 11 2021, 05:59 PM) Yes, thank you, bro,... missed it because no specific mention of the word : dividend. think after 1st July, will be taxed under individual income tax bracket, no?It does not allow me to copy and paste here,.. So, I'll just type-in some key expressions here :- 1) ...received in Msia. So,... for us who are not bringing back, we will not be subjected to this taxation and do not need to contend with DTAs, etc.... Which means, for us who need to use the money in Msia, better start to transmit back before Jan 1st... Msia is still ok in the above aspect,... compared to what the Widodo govt tried to do a few years ago,... which subsequently failed. First REIT was talking abt delisting First REIT in SG and moving the REIT back to the JSX. All failed,... 2) A transitional gross rate of 3% from Jan 1 till Jun 30. So,... after jun 30 next year, the tax percentage might be increased or reduced, or have some treatments applied. There is also no mention of funds one remitted outside to be accorded capital exemption. So,.. ALL funds being TT'ed back in will be counted as 'foreign-sourced income'. Capital gains will be counted as 'foreign-sourced income' too. Any opinions,.. all bros ? This foreign source income will effectively be added onto the taxpayer’s other sources of income and will be taxed at the prevailing tax rates. This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 11 2021, 06:13 PM |
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Nov 11 2021, 06:28 PM
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Nov 11 2021, 06:33 PM
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Those malaysians bringing back CPF in Singapore to spend here will be taxed too ???
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https://www.pwc.com/my/en/assets/publicatio...-2022-Part2.pdf
Similar findings from the finance bill 2021, with a little bit more clarity, this time from PWC, check out Page 6 |
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Nov 12 2021, 03:39 PM
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Easiest thing to do now (for SG reits investors not using foreign broker + foreign bank account currently) is to SELL all your REITs before 31st Dec, then transfer the money to SG account and invest via foreign broker, and never bring your money back :-)
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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 12 2021, 03:43 PM) That depends on the purpose of your investment though. If it is for retirement then you will need the cash one day (hopefully laws change again later). But as Hansel pointed out, the depreciation of MYR can help offset your tax liability. If u have a SG account, u should have a Debit card, right ? There you go.... (no need to bring money back :-)) |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 12 2021, 04:39 PM) Brokerage is 0.7% for buy and sell. 0.7% is one time pain, paying tax on the dividend remitted back is a continuous pain A million is 7000 brokerage for me. I guess its cheaper than paying tax! btw, doing the math your example above: option 1 : 0.7% on 1M market value = 7k MYR ONE TIME option 2 : 1M x 6% dividend every year = 60K MYR remitted back and got slapped with say 10% income tax, it is 6K PER ANNUM This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 12 2021, 05:56 PM Msxxyy liked this post
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https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloi...022-Part-II.pdf
Deloitte edition :-) Tax on foreign sourced income (FSI) received in Malaysia Currently, Malaysia adopts a territorial based taxation system where only income accruing in or derived from Malaysia would be subject to Malaysian income tax. Income derived from sources outside Malaysia and received in Malaysia is exempted from tax. The exceptions are resident companies in the business of banking, insurance or sea or air transport which are taxed on worldwide income. Proposal It is proposed that the tax exemption on FSI would only be restricted to non-Malaysian residents. As a transition, it is proposed that the FSI received in Malaysia from 1 January 2022 until 30 June 2022 will be taxed at 3% on a gross basis. The FSI received in Malaysia from 1 July 2022 onwards would be subject to tax, based on the prevailing income tax rate. Effective: 1 January 2022 Our commentary: Given the recent inclusion of Malaysia in the European Union (EU) grey list where Malaysia’s territorial sourced tax regime is considered harmful, this proposal in Budget 2022 is not a total surprise. However, since EU is concerned only where such regimes create situations of double non-taxation, income such as dividend would not be a concern as it would not rank for a deduction. That being said, the Finance Bill 2021 seems to cover all kinds of FSI, including foreign dividends received in Malaysia. Impact on companies Dividends received in Malaysia by Malaysian resident companies from foreign subsidiaries would be taxed in Malaysia with effect from 1 January 2022. Foreign dividend withholding tax suffered would be creditable against Malaysian tax payable. Certain tax treaties allow foreign tax paid by subsidiary companies in respect of their income out of which dividends are paid to be part of the credit. Another common situation would be the interest from money lent to borrowers outside Malaysia, including intra-group lending, would also be taxed upon remittance moving forward. Remittance of profits of operations outside Malaysia, notably branch profits, would also be subject to Malaysian tax after taking into account the foreign tax paid. All-in-all, additional top-up tax would occur where Malaysian tax is higher than the foreign taxes. Impact on the man-on-the-street One common situation would be the rental income earned by a Malaysian tax resident from a real property located outside of Malaysia – in this scenario, say Singapore. This income is an FSI and would not be taxed in Malaysia presently. From 1 January 2022 next year, income remitted to Malaysia would be taxed. In this case, both countries have the right to tax. To avoid double taxation on the same rental, Malaysia, being the country of residence would grant a foreign tax credit based on a prescribed formula that takes into account the taxes paid in Singapore, against the Malaysian tax payable. However, the Malaysian resident landlord would still need to pay the net tax to the Malaysian Government. Special Commentary on the Removal of the Exemption on Foreign Source Income Another common situation would be a Malaysian who lives in Johor Bahru and commutes daily to Singapore for work. He draws a salary from his Singaporean employer. Under the tie-breaker rule, he would be a Malaysian tax resident given that his permanent home is in Johor Bahru. Before 1 January 2022, he can remit his salary into Malaysia without paying Malaysian tax. Under the new rule, his remittance would be subject to Malaysian tax. The Singapore tax paid can be used as a set off. However, he would need to top up the net additional tax and pay the Malaysian tax authorities. In short, there would be an incremental tax. The meaning of “received” What does the word “received” mean? FSI that is not received in Malaysia will not be taxed. While a guidance is expected to be issued, generally FSI would be considered to be received in Malaysia when the income is remitted to, transmitted to, or brought into Malaysia. If the relevant funds are transferred to a Malaysian bank account or brought into Malaysia in the form of a cheque, money order or cash, it would satisfy this criterion. Plan ahead An immediate course of action would be to identify any FSI (which may not have been given much attention before this), timing of their receipt and the quantum of any incremental tax liability after factoring in the availability of any tax credits. This is especially important for companies with a December 31 financial year end since the deadline for submitting their estimate of tax payable for year of assessment 2022 is close. Moving forward, businesses would also have to consider the potential tax impact when planning the timing of repatriation of their FSI to meet their commercial requirements locally. Points for consideration We remain hopeful that certain income such as foreign-sourced dividends, foreign branch profits and foreignsourced service income would continue to be exempt. Many countries do not tax inbound dividends under their participation exemption rules. If alignment with best international practice is key, focus should be placed on passive income that creates tax arbitrage such as interest and royalty. On the enhancement of tax collection, a wide inclusion of all types of FSI may work in the short-run, but the long-term implication on Malaysia’s competitiveness needs to be considered. This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 12 2021, 08:57 PM |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 12 2021, 10:23 PM) 3.08/2.3 = 34% HPR or 2.46% CAGR. MYR underperfomed badly during 1MDB scandal, where it went from 2.5 to 3 ...pre and post that, it has been more stable against SGD.Indeed MYR has not been performing. Glad to join you guys since last year. This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 13 2021, 07:43 AM |
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repost here since it is relevant to SG Reit investors:
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...sidents/2021425 it says: “If the review found that the income kept abroad originating from Malaysia has not been reported, additional assessment can be imposed together with penalties in accordance with the provisions of the Income Tax Act 1967,” it said. meaning if u keep ur money overseas and NOT remiited back to Malaysia (though it was originating from Malaysia), it can be taxed ??!!! This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 17 2021, 08:54 AM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 17 2021, 08:51 AM) https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...sidents/2021425 |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 17 2021, 08:55 AM) I think they may collaborate with overseas tax authority.After the expiration of the period, IRB will review and examine the income information of Malaysian residents deposited abroad that has been received through tax information exchange agreements with other countries. This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 17 2021, 08:59 AM |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 17 2021, 11:38 AM) Many and most countries already signed OECD AEOI (Automatic Exchange of Information), that banks and financial institutions need to comply the CRS that overseas account holders info will be send to relevant country tax authorities every year. So means cannot escape LHDN eyes if u have a SG account with regular dividend payout to that account? |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 2 2023, 08:47 AM) I missed FLCT yesterday... One thing caught my attention, the aggregate leverage is only 27.9%?? so low??FLCT 1Q FY 23 business updates: https://links.sgx.com/FileOpen/FLCT%201QFY2...t&FileID=745498 |
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