Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
9 Pages « < 6 7 8 9 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 REIT V4, Real Estate Investment Trust

views
     
felixmask
post Aug 23 2013, 11:04 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Aug 23 2013, 09:45 AM)
10k not gonna have much material difference if you wait to buy a few cents lower, there is so much reit counters here.. you budget <1k per reit?

No need to bother waiting for RM 10-20 difference in dividend...not to mention all the brokerage you will incur.

Better you concentrate all 10k into 1 target REIT counter... rolleyes.gif
*
this agree to nightstarz
felixmask
post Aug 24 2013, 01:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 24 2013, 10:49 AM)
+ potential hassle.

Need to go to broker house to sign the acceptance offer, wait the payment.
So may be need to count in the petrol, car park fee, leave taken to go to the broker house during office hour.  tongue.gif  laugh.gif

Last time I straight away sold at discount, easier, receipt money after T+3, don't need to wait. (Tanjong privatisation offer).
*
thanks cherroy,

i will call my broker(nomine acc)..about this..

Previously i called said without any cost(juz a phone call , the paper work no need to go broker house can be done thru by them) , convert to Bsd Plantation....
felixmask
post Aug 26 2013, 04:35 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Aug 26 2013, 03:01 PM)
Need to drop another 10-20% to get 6% yield...
*
upward Rental revision also can increase the yield 6%.
felixmask
post Aug 28 2013, 03:20 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 28 2013, 02:57 PM)
Y so many buyers q to buy Igbreit now?
*
GARK BUYING....WE BUY....

This post has been edited by felixmask: Aug 28 2013, 03:32 PM
felixmask
post Aug 29 2013, 11:15 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 29 2013, 10:48 AM)
Alredy rec'd Igbreit dividend today
*
cry.gif i have to wait 5 more day...becoz im under nominee acc cds
felixmask
post Aug 29 2013, 12:55 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 29 2013, 12:00 PM)
It's alredy allocated
B patience la  smile.gif
*
smile.gif

felixmask
post Sep 3 2013, 06:02 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
Is REITS still a good asset or safe asset to invest now? (Part 1) - Loryau

Author: Tan KW | Publish date: Tue, 3 Sep 09:50


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In the past, we were being told that REITS is a very conservative instrument and very defensive as it is giving out its earning as dividend, but is REITS that good actually? How bout the capital appreciation as well as capital protection? In this article, I would like to share some of my thoughts regarding this instrument.


To evaluate whether is it a right investment now, we will have to look at the few factors that will causes the price movement of the REITS.

1st Interest rate

2nd Occupancy rate

3rd The demand on Reits
4th Increase in the Property Value

Looking at the factors above, I believe that the 1st and 2nd factor is the issue that moves the demand of Reits, while the 4th factor will be the growth of economy.

Looking at all the factors above, I think Interest rate is what we should concern the most for the current situation.
As we know, Reits is where we invest to get return which is generated by the rental income of the Real Estate. As long as the Real Estate is able to generate income then we are able to get return in dividend. In order to generate more income, the management will always try to utilize their space and rent it out which we can saw the renovation done by Mid Valley where the food court had now turned into a more high class area which will generate higher return.

The issue here right now is, how much rental income can they increase in a year? Lets say they are able to increase 5% per year which is really fantastic to me and its not easy to do so.

As the rental income is not easy to grow by every year, lets assume that they didn’t drop either which will make u have a clearer picture later.

Now we will put our attention on Interest rate.

After Bernanke speech regarding QE tappering, US 10 years treasury bill price had drop which also mean that the interest had gone up. (Treasury bill is the instrument for them to control the interest rate)



(Source: http://blouinnews.com/66006/story/us-bond-...it-2-year-high)



On the other hand, Our Malaysian Govertment 10 years Securities rate had shot up from 3.48% (03/01/2013) to 3.98% (02/09/2013).
(Source: http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?tpl=489&sd...013-09-02&lang= )





(Source: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/g...ment-bond-yield )

On 29 August 2013, Indonesia had rose their reference rate by 0.5% from 6.5% to 7% as well as their deposit facility rate by 0.5% to 5.25% in order to stabilize their currency which I couldn't really understand much why are they doing so when they are facing high "cost push" inflation as well as the step will jeopardising their economy growth.
( Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412...0447253328.html )

After looking at all the example that I showed above, my question is when will BNM increase our OPR?
It's understand that our Governor saying that the interest rate is good enough to bolster our economy growth, but this statement only indicates that the she will not reduce the interest rate. She won't reduce interest rate doesn't mean that she will not rise it! According to most of the economist in Malaysia, they believe BNM will increase the OPR by 0.25% earliest by next year, but I would say capital flight is a wild card to the BNM which might causes them to raise it earlier just like what our neighbour did.

How does the interest rate affect the REITS?

Imagine, you have RM10,000 and you are a conservative investor. You are looking at some instrument that is safe and it will be best if its capital guarantee as you are conservative. In the past, the REITs averagely paying 6.4% return per annum according to http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ing-lustre.aspx. In order to get the 6.4% return, you will have to take some risk such as such capital depreciation from the investment, risk of lower income in future and risk of disaster. There are lots of risk where you will have to bear in order get a return of 6.4%.

Looking at the Fix Deposit rate in Malaysia, you can get as good as 4.01% interest rate for 12 months Fix Deposit where your money is being guaranteed by PIDM up til RM250,000. The only risk that I can forsee here is Inflation Risk. This 4.01% is according to the research done by savemoney.my.

As our Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) is just about 3.0% now and is anticipated to increase in near future which will causes the rise in Base Lending Rate (BLR). If such case happen, the bank will have more room to increase their Fix Deposit rate in order to attract more funds to park in their vault while maintaining their profit margin.

If the Fix deposit is increase up til 4.25% per annum, will you still place your bet on REITS which gives you about 6.4% by taking more risk? Will you shift your money from REITs to FD? When you feels like switching your bet from REITs to FD, hence you will create a situation where Supply is more than Demand for REITS and you will have to sell it cheaper in order to get back your money!

On the other hand, those who wanted to invest in REITs will demand a higher return rate such as 8% per annum for taking the risk of REITs.
For an example, a REITs is now trading at RM1.00 while paying RM0.06 per annum which is about 6% per annum. In order to get 8% return, we will only buy the Reits when it is trading at RM0.75.
Why? This is because with the dividend of RM0.06, you will only get 8% return by buying the REITs at RM0.75.

As a result, do you think it is still a good buy now? Unless you are happy with the return rate given by the REITs now and able to hold it for a long period, or else I don't think it is a good bet in Malaysia.

Other than the effect of the hike in interest rate being discussed above, there are still some other factors which will affect the price of REITs. Please stay tune for the the 2nd part. Thanks for reading!

Appreciate if you could share your thoughts by dropping your comment down here.

Disclaimer: The content on this site is provided as general information only and should not be taken as investment advice. All site content, shall not be construed as a recommendation to buy or sell any security or financial instrument. The ideas expressed are solely the opinions of the author. Any action that you take as a result of information, analysis, or commentary on this site is ultimately your responsibility. Consult your investment adviser before making any investment decisions



http://loryau.blogspot.com/2013/09/is-reit...safe-asset.html




felixmask
post Sep 3 2013, 07:59 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 3 2013, 07:00 PM)
This question is questionable.
If not intent to hold for a long period, should not buy REIT as it is generally under low-growth stock segment.
Consider long term, I mean 10 years or so kind of long term.
I quite positive of rental increment in the future as money should become cheaper and cheaper that 1 month rental today maybe can only buy 1 lamb shank meal 10 years later, how can rental not increasing?  tongue.gif
Consider buying property for rental, to hold it for 10 years is just very common.
Past 3 years has been misleading (to me as well) as REITs capital gain even won over many other stocks. So this writer is also confused of what REIT is.
Just my view.  cool2.gif
*
ops..yok70, that not my inquiry..i juz copy and paste ever thing written by loryau.


felixmask
post Sep 4 2013, 03:50 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 4 2013, 03:45 PM)
IF bond yield down, REIT will up...

but will bond yield spike again later?  laugh.gif
*
N*jib Magic.....after oil spike...then GST..everyting solved. only rakyat susah only mah.
felixmask
post Sep 4 2013, 03:57 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(Nikmon @ Sep 4 2013, 03:52 PM)
Haha, hope Ben announce some good news in coming meeting.
*
Uncle Ben contract end of this year....what he talk...depend the next person FED chairman want to do or not.


felixmask
post Sep 10 2013, 05:33 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 10 2013, 05:21 PM)
sunreit and pavreit, hit hard in recent weeks recovered reasonably.

kudos to those to bought pav at 12x, 10% gain!

igb.. tis 1 seems... err... sad.gif
*
good thing sunreit rclxms.gif above her buying price

IGB.....really upset...
felixmask
post Sep 10 2013, 05:42 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 10 2013, 05:40 PM)
Must b xtremely patience with Igbreit
*
nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 11:21 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 11 2013, 11:02 AM)
Yes.. it has been a laggard compared to other reit... time for it to catch up.  biggrin.gif
*
Gark..you meanz buy buy IGBreits....it will going up..

No more QE tapering or MGS or US treasurey bill rate go up ?

IGBreits wont fall belwo 1.15...???? You opinion..or there still..juz catch little bit..if hv excess money...
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 11:23 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 11 2013, 11:20 AM)
This is just the tip of the iceberg...
*
hi wil-i-am,

your "tips of iceberg " good one or bad one meaning ?
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 11:37 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 11 2013, 11:27 AM)
Of coz good 1 la...
*
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 11:40 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
For now.. MGS yield is receding, means it is good for REITs. If and when MGS yield continue to rise, the reverse will happen.  tongue.gif
*
Any forecast...MGS or Treasure Bill rate will up..due to Uncle Ben exit.
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 11:47 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 11 2013, 11:45 AM)
Wah... forcast ah.. if can rich already looo...  whistling.gif

But then expect yield to rise gradually sooner or later as it is still below multiple year average... but when it will rise back to average.. could be 1 month, 5 years or maybe 10 years?  laugh.gif

Can wait?  tongue.gif
*
before uncle ben exit or after ?
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 12:56 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 11 2013, 12:04 PM)
Here is 10 year graph.... you think we going up or down?  laugh.gif

[attachmentid=3624440]

Looks like near 10 year average... but nowhere near the maximum.

You think leh?  tongue.gif
*
I believe now is average - stable.

Move up above 4.5 - 5 not substainable more toward bubble control. Matter of time pull back below for 4, we all under recession period.
felixmask
post Sep 11 2013, 05:05 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 11 2013, 04:46 PM)
Could local retailer who now panic buy after they panic sell the last time...  laugh.gif
*
sell to cut loss early..and buy back at cheaper...
felixmask
post Sep 12 2013, 08:34 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
6,356 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
QUOTE(nightzstar @ Sep 12 2013, 07:59 AM)
rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
*
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif U sapu alot REITS ....

9 Pages « < 6 7 8 9 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0491sec    0.52    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 15th December 2025 - 07:30 PM