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 Nokia Lumia 920, ITS OFFICIAL PRICE IS RM1,999

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stringfellow
post Dec 31 2012, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Dinosorbiru @ Dec 31 2012, 01:28 PM)
I never owned an Android device but lot of my friends do. What I've heard from them, lag and hang are quite common on Android
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Low and midlevel Android devices does that. Bloated UI does that. Which is why stock Google Android devices like Nexus 4 are most sought after because they run stock UI, and no bloatware.

High end Android devices, with 2GB RAM and latest quad core processors do not exhibit any lag.
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post Dec 31 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
I played with all the phones on display in Samsung's outlet in Gurney PLaza, only S3 and Note 2 no lag, others all lag, wtf... Including Galaxy S2, S advance, S3 mini, Galaxy Beam, etc... I juz swype and scroll as fast as i can, simple test, and the animation cant keep up or stuttered. Android too resource hungry, im sure S3 and nOte 2 when they get more OS updates and versions in the future they will start to lag also. Then. maybe we will be seeing high end androids need 8 cores in the future.  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif In terms of pure number it sounds like phones need more spec than laptops...
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If you do not change the configuration of your phone, by constantly installing new apps and putting more live widgets on homescreens, it does not lag. I've used my SGS3 for 6 months, and I left it alone running apps installed remaining the same 5 months before that, it works beautifully without any hiccups. It's the chronic "wanna try this, wanna install that app" users who don't really need them but install the app "for fun" that complained about the phone slowing down. And my SGS3 had just 1GB RAM, carefully managed which apps runs in the background and which app runs only when I tap on them. Android devices are tinkering devices, you cant just trigger-happy-install everything and expect it to run like butter. Some tinkering is required, in which, if you're not inclined to tinker, then a WP8 or iOS device is more suitable for your needs. And also, once you got everything down running nicely, got itchy go change things by adding more things to run in the background. You've just achieved equilibrium and now you're tipping it back towards chaos.

QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Dec 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
hrmm.... wonder how's the pricing  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
and the initial coverage... will it only around KL/Selangor or major cities.....
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Klang Valley first, methinks. Gonna see if I can get a trial LTE sim from my brother in MaxisComm.
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post Dec 31 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Dinosorbiru @ Dec 31 2012, 02:22 PM)
From my reading, phone manufactures have to put quad core processor, higher RAM and everything in their Android devices to make sure the devices run smoothly. On the other side, Windows Phone doesn't need all those because the OS can run smoothly without any lag by using only single (WP 7.5) and double (WP 8) core processor. Don't knowlah. This is from what I've read lah..
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Stock Android. That's what you need to run nicely. Trawl through YouTube, Pocketnow even had installed JellyBean, the latest version of Android and their own version of UI, on the very first Nexus device, Nexus One and it ran nicely. It's these manufacturers installing their own version of Android with tons of unnecessary things running in the background that grinds everything down to a halt. Samsung and its TouchWiz, HTC with Sense, etc. Once these are tamed, they are no lags.

.......unless your device is spec-ed nicely. I left my Droid DNA alone with its Sense UI and I have yet to experience any lag. The hardware handled it without exhibiting any lag.


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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 02:27 PM)
No android phones in RM 500 range can match Windows Phone in fluidity...


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That's what my sister (and many of her friends) experienced with the S2, sometimes games just hang for no reason. Some who upgrade to ICS had worse problems, like the phone freezing for hours. SGS3 and Note 2 might be able to do well including updates for the next, maybe 1.5-2 years before 'too new' android versions may eventually wear down the performance.
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They came in at the wrong iteration of Android. I admit, all versions of Android below JellyBean will exhibit some form of lag. JellyBean fixed that with Project Butter. Google did not address the lag properly until 4.2/JellyBean was released. Now that Project Butter is part of the OS itself, all manufacturers HAVE TO include that feature into their 4.2 update and eliminate any form of lag. Mind you, it has to be paired with good specs too. You cant expect 4.2/JellyBean but chokia specs to get lagless performance.

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post Dec 31 2012, 02:40 PM

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The real test of how a smartphone perform in real life IS TO LEAVE things running in the background. I leave FB/Twitter/Google+ as well as apps I use all the time, running in the background and I still get uncompromised performance and a whole day's battery life out of my DNA.

I agree on the terminating apps that are not necessary, but "what is necessary" and what is not, is subjective from one user to another. I definitely DO NOT leave apps requiring position update (GPS, Google Maps, etc) and games running in the background, that will kill your battery in an instant.

Speaking of which, WP8's way of "running in the background" is pretty weak. I can't leave more than 6 apps running in the background before the other apps stops updating in real time, which in turn, causes the live tiles to stop updating too. The battery polling live tile only updates every 30 minutes too, WTF!
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post Dec 31 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 02:45 PM)
I believe the restriction is to ensure a smooth user experience. WP7.x cant multitask, current WP8 only 6 tasks, newer ones in future may get more. I think Msoft is trying to protect the reputation o WP being fast and fluid hence restricting some stuff.
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Which means I can only have 6 properly updating live tiles? I felt cheated.
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post Dec 31 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 02:51 PM)
Not sure about that; im not on postpaid plan (hence my apps doesnt update) so im not sure. One thing i have noticed, i dun have background apps running (checked by holding down the back button) but the battery tile does update after some period of time. Maybe it's 30mins like you said.
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I need my Twitter feed updated all the time, because I follow news from tech-related sites which updates them as they are breaking (hence, "breaking news). If I rely on WP8's method of notification, by the time I get updates on Twitter, they're considered old news already.

That battery tile is also disappointing. It polls only every 30 minutes, or if you manually tap the tile to open it.
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post Dec 31 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Dinosorbiru @ Dec 31 2012, 02:53 PM)
What? No lah.. I've been using WP 7.5 since more than a year ago. All tiles pinned on my start screen (people, groups, apps, etc. ) are live updating
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The tiles flipping around or animating DOES NOT MEANS it is updating. And when I say 6 apps, those are 6 apps in the multitasking tray when you press the back button. Some apps with live tiles, does not update their live tiles unless you include them in 6 apps with live tiles that updates in background. Example of this app is Weather Flow. Some updates their live tiles no matter how many apps are running in the background. So if I choose to continue using Weather Flow, I have to limit apps with live tiles running on the background to 5 (since Weather Flow will be the 6th app running)? How ridiculous is that?

Apps that come from stock OS like People tile or Xbox Games will always update. But I even had problems getting Store updates appearing on its live tile, because of that previous restriction I mentioned.
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post Dec 31 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 03:08 PM)
I read GSMarena, Engadget and Phonearena for my case. Well, unlike u i dun need to check the updates every 5 mins. I think whether the tile updates or not is also partially dependent on the app itself. Things like email, i dun think it needs to be running in the background in order to update you with new mails.
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If that is the case, then it should not be called Live Tile at all if it is not updating its app content "live". Live tile in this case is just a nice animated square icon. Reason why Live Tile is compelling is because you dont have to open the app to see the content, the content is being displayed(in concise form) on the tile itself. If it does not update, what's the point of having that tile in the home screen other than a shortcut to launch the app?

Email apps are different. Email apps polls their server every predetermined period (15/30/60 mins) or if the server-client protocol allows it, send toast notification whenever there is a new email in the mailbox. I see toast notification on new FaceBook and Twitter status/tweets, but I only see "number of new emails" on the "Live Tile" of that email app, that does not update properly unless I go into the app by launching them, and syncing. This part of WP8 simply baffles me.
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post Dec 31 2012, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Dinosorbiru @ Dec 31 2012, 03:19 PM)
No, sir. What u are referring is Background apps that currently running in the background which you can see (just 6)  by pushing the back button. That is different than live tiles. Apps that have live tiles function are not limited to just work for 6 apps only when pinned to the start screen. I pinned lot of apps on my start screen - FB, Twitter, Rowi, Whatsapp, HTC Hub, Birthday Tile, WP Central and many more and all them are live updating
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Yes, but Weather Flow has this restriction when you install the app. Its Live Tile may not work properly if there are more than 6 apps running in the background. Install Weather Flow as trial and see if you dont believe me.

I know about the multitasking processes running when you press and hold the back button. I'm talking about limitations set by certain apps just so that their Live Tiles is live-updating.
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post Dec 31 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Dinosorbiru @ Dec 31 2012, 03:28 PM)
So then, it might happen for certain app lah, not all. In general, there's no restriction to just only 6 apps with live tile function that can live updating when pinned to the start screen
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Exactly. Why this app behaves that way, and why there aren't standardisation for this, make me go rclxub.gif
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post Dec 31 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(LightningZERO @ Dec 31 2012, 04:13 PM)
Man, I have a full bar at 6am and was on a flight trip to KL. Check in here and there, some whatsapp, some surfing and some fb-Ing and I have only 20% left by 2pm. Luckily I brought my charger with me and charging in the airport. I think I need to buy an external charger. Anyone has the Nokia brand one? If so how was it?
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QUOTE(LightningZERO @ Dec 31 2012, 04:23 PM)
kinda noob with this. So powerbank is a good brand? I will do some research and see see
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YooBao 13,000maH PowerBank. I'm using one myself. Make double sure it's original. Looks like my DROID DNA too. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Dec 31 2012, 04:19 PM)
@String the battery polling every 30 minutes is an OS restriction. Maybe to save battery perhaps?
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Why can't I choose the polling rate and see if I can live with that? Battery level notification is bare basic man, and still MS can fcuk it up.

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post Dec 31 2012, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(EXkurogane @ Dec 31 2012, 04:38 PM)
Powerbank also have counterfeit one?  blink.gif Didnt know that...
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...er+bank+missing


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post Dec 31 2012, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Dec 31 2012, 05:17 PM)
Yeah, make sure if you're buying Yaobao PB it's the original one. I wanted to buy the one like @string showed but most sellers don't have it in stocks.

@string, how's the 13000 maH PB? I heard that this particular version is not as stable? Most sellers are recommending the 11200 maH to me but that's probably because they don't have the 1300 mAh in stock.
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I've both the white 11200mah and this 13,000mah model. 11200maH from the old iPhone 4/4S days. Both works fine. I rotate between them: Leave the 13000 charging at home, use 11200, and when 11200 depleted, take the 13000 and charge the 11200. The charging will take overnight, because of the high capacity.

They both work great!
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post Jan 1 2013, 12:37 AM

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Looks like I was right! MAxis just launched 4G LTE! http://maxis.com.my/4GLTE/main.asp
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post Jan 1 2013, 12:44 AM

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There pricing plan is there: 48GB quota for RM148 MAxis Postpaid subscriber/RM158 for non subscriber.

Wasted man, only via USB 4G LTE modem. Sigh.....

I'm still gonna head to KLCC today to check if they allow simcard LTE only.
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QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Jan 1 2013, 12:50 AM)
no, i mean for mobile phone use......
it's kinda wierd for only providing mobile internet use but not for phone use.... probably because not so many LTE-enabled phone available yet in Malaysia?  hmm.gif
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They should have provided the option otherwise. Our Lumia 920 is more than capable to handle. I can finally find a reason that my Lumia can PWN my other phones!
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QUOTE(kuroneko0509 @ Jan 1 2013, 01:06 PM)
which LTE band again Malaysia will use?
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2600. But with the Lumia 920, it doesn't matter, it supports ALL LTE bands. rclxms.gif

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