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Varezart
post Sep 5 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 5 2012, 09:31 PM)
Since time immemorial, Han was in favor of leniency while japanese side pleaded for moral strict ethics code. Japanese follows the rule of no help and no kacau style while han went helping other people. When the japanese came back to china and saw the massacre done by by the qing and machu, they realised that the world know no peace,  cruel, full of barbarians and would do anything for survival. Japanese who saw the han literally massacred from earth went crazy and sweared that every barbarians on earth to be wiped out including all of asia. malay race are no exceptions. WW2 invasion of japanese started because they didnt trust anyone anymore.
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That still doesn't justify the massacre by Japanese. Can you tell me what massacre done by Qing and Manchu you talking about?

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The video is further proof of my allegations. Japan never hate han and taiwanese. If they hated han they were never great friend in the first place. The china part of history was a fabrication to make oversea chinese to believe all these lie. The real guilty were the qing and early communist leaders who were ancestors of koreans. Japan invasion is actually the result of the cause of qing and communist agenda to cleanse and massacre han. Common u think taiwanese who are han descent are so stupid meh to still befriend them if japanese were trying to kill them ?
Today clearly, the han  totally lost hold of china. The old capital of china which was xian that is the place of major succesful han empire is changed to beijing which played important role of machurian empire. These people secretly disguised into han to make han as if the guilty one by annexing tibetan and the islamic regions so these people would think that the people behind are han chinese. China being han chinese lost everthing of their culture, the language is changed into mandarin which was spoken by monggol and manchu trying to speak han language. Their culture of taoism , hanfu clothes and all its literature dont resemble any trace of old cultures anymore. The japanese never did all these undescribed deception but the qing and communist did .

In short, qing and communist massacared 60 to 80 million han and cleansed its culture and blamed the japanese as the guinea pigs for all the crimes.No doubt japanese invasion of china is unforgivable but the main culprit were qing and later communist leaders who were actually remnants of qing, the ancestors of korea.
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I don't hate Japan but just want to correct some information. During Tang dynasty, Han and Japan are good friend. Kyoto were model after Tang dynasty capital. However, during Ming dynasty, Japan try to invade China and Korea. An alliance between Ming dynasty and Korea kingdom that time are made to counter Japanese. Japanese invasion is the result of trying to conquer other people. By the way, Beijing is also capital for Ming dynasty.

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post Sep 5 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 5 2012, 10:10 PM)
most of japanese temple also from tang lol . wait i go find. Only ignorant malay thought japan were tight enemy of chinese tang and han lol.
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Being an anime fan myself, how much I wish China and Japan are still close friend just like how they used to be during Tang dynasty time.

During Nara period, Japanese clothes were influenced by Chinese style.

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post Sep 5 2012, 10:18 PM

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Does Lowyat have section or thread to talk about ancient history?
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post Sep 5 2012, 11:18 PM

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I guess the Japanese do the Han a favor by killing those Manchu and migrate a lot of Han Chinese to Manchuria making Manchuria belong to Han Chinese.

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In 1931, the Empire of Japan created a puppet state in Northeast China called Manchukuo. The new state was nominally ruled by the deposed Emperor Puyi. By this time the population of historical Manchuria was overwhelmingly Han Chinese,so while Manchukuo was intended to be a state for Manchus (though many were murdered by the Japanese), Manchukuo had a majority Han population, largely due to internal migration from China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people#Modern_history

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Treated like beasts of burden and tortured by cold and hunger they were forced to work 15 to 16 hours a day. Many perished under the lashes of the Japanese. Massacres of press-ganged Manchu workers by the Japanese were the rule upon completion of strategic military projects.

http://www.china.org.cn/e-groups/shaoshu/shao-2-manchu.htm

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post Sep 6 2012, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 6 2012, 12:18 AM)
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Suzhou Hanshan Temple

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Kofukuji Temple - Nara

cant really find bigger temples cause tang temples in xian were already destroyed.
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Just curious, where did you get all this info? Do you have more pictures?

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post Sep 6 2012, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 6 2012, 01:19 AM)
hanshan temple was built just before tang dynasty . Just saying that temple buildings were interrelated as they looked similar during that time.
Anyway, just keep on posting those pictures.

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post Sep 6 2012, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Sep 6 2012, 07:30 PM)
I bet you will pulled another theory of Japanese came from China  biggrin.gif
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I thought Yayoi were in fact come from China.

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The earliest archaeological sites are Itazuke site or Nabata site in the northern part of Kyūshū. The origin of Yayoi culture has long been debated. Chinese influence was obvious in the bronze and copper weapons, dōkyō, dōtaku, as well as irrigated paddy rice cultivation. Three major symbols of the Yayoi culture are the bronze mirror, the bronze sword, and the royal seal stone.

In recent years, more archaeological and genetic evidence has been found in both eastern China and western Japan to lend credibility to this argument. Between 1996 and 1999, a team led by Satoshi Yamaguchi, a researcher at Japan's National Science Museum, compared Yayoi remains found in Japan's Yamaguchi and Fukuoka prefectures with those from China's coastal Jiangsu province, and found many similarities between the Yayoi and the Jiangsu remains.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_period#History

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post Sep 6 2012, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Sep 6 2012, 08:00 PM)
There are 2 school of though.. either from China or Korea.  biggrin.gif One of the therories:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people
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Or maybe both. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(stimix @ Sep 6 2012, 08:05 PM)
Probably.. biggrin.gif If that tankerbel said like that.. All also related Mongolian kah, Manchurian kah, Korean kah, Japanese kah... They are sharing lotsa similar Vocab/noun...

Chinchiak yo... *in hokkien - Chinchiak geh)..see the similarity  biggrin.gif
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One way or another all human come from Africa so everyone relate with each other.
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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 6 2012, 08:15 PM)
According to genetic analysis using Y-chromosome, Manchus are closest to korean than any other ethnics in comparisons [5 ]. In this study, both Korean and Korean Chinese (ethnic korean living in China) are genetically closest to Manchus. Interestingly Manchus are genetically closer to korean than Mongols. it is consistent with the Qing's definition of Manchu tribes in which Korean tribes are majority.

http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Korean+c...tion+to+Manchus

I always backed with hard evidence to support claims.
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Altaic wiki is the last place you want to get accurate information. Altaic wiki is created by Altaic nationalist who most of them are Korean nationalists who have been distorting history and full of lies. Don't let yourself brainwash by Altaic wiki. Korean nationalists like to think that they are related with Manchu because they like to pick up on prestige of Manchu and use it to their advantage

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post Sep 6 2012, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Sep 6 2012, 08:20 PM)
Anyway, Linguistically, Korean are related to Manchus, Mongoloan and even to the far extend Turkish!..  biggrin.gif However historically, all 3 Mongolian, Manchurian & Korean were politically divided.. and this tinkerbell trying to pull Korean to be related to the other 2 and mess around wth added Chian history into this Japanese & Korean ONLY topic  doh.gif
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Yeah...I'm aware they are linguistically related although the term Altaic can also be controversial. Altaic is a very fluid term. To be more accurate, Manchu is categorized under Tungusic languages while Mongolian under Mongolic . Manchu,Mongolian and Korean are culturally and politically separate from each other and there's no cultural and politic unity among those three ethnic groups.

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post Sep 6 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 6 2012, 08:25 PM)
Not surprised both are in denial
Varezart - Skyscraper enthusiast of chinese communist china
Stimix - secretly love Korean stuff
haha. But i am just truth seeker who wants to know unbiased past endeavors.
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The one who putar belik is Altaic wiki lah...you've been brainwash liao.

Stimix and I do not hate Korea and Japan(I actually like Japan more than Korea bcs of anime but that does not mean I hate Korea), but just correcting your misinformed history.

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post Sep 6 2012, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 6 2012, 08:40 PM)
Kenkaryuu (Hating the Korean Wave)
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Kaki Klaim
WTF !!!!!
China 中共 and Southern Asia were colony of Baekje, Korea

Japan and China were colony of Baekje, Korea

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Korean history full nonsense and none of their claim here is accurate. They brainwash their people and these people kena brainwash went to write article in Altaic wiki. I went to forum like Chinese History Forum, All Empire and Historum and trust me many people feel Korean historians are motivated by nationalism not academic. Even western scholar also disagree with Korean historians.

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post Sep 6 2012, 08:52 PM

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Regarding the false claim and history distortion by the Korean in the youtube video posted by HangPC2 which got no credibility at all, in case anyone of you interested in history, BurdenOfAges from Asia Finest already refute and expose Korean nonsense and flaws behind their logic.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=225293

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post Sep 7 2012, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(tankerbell12345 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:42 PM)
Korean males display a high frequency of Haplogroup O2b* (P49), a subclade of possibly Manchurian origin
Koreans in the midwest region are close to Manchurian populations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans

of course not all but some do have Manchurian ancestry.
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Despite the claim that O2b originated from Manchurian, surprisingly only small percentage of Manchu people have O2b.
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