QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Sep 11 2012, 02:13 PM)
I was in no way slagging him. I was merely saying that he has to share the blame. He messed up in the transfer markets and while we challenged he still made mistakes in the transfer market involving huge sums of money so can you honestly say he didn't contribute to the debts the club had? Just because he messed up in the transfer market while the ex-owners run the club to the ground doesn't mean he don't need to take blame for his mistakes in the transfer market.
The other players helped yes but you can't deny the fact that they should have done a lot better considering the money spent as well as them being selected by the manager. What I meant about the Gerrard point is that we relied heavily on him which I believe I did say in my initial post and considering their big money moves, Gerrard shouldn't have to be relied on as heavily. It was evident back then that when Gerrard wasn't playing, the team was just not good enough. So I'm trying to say that for the money spent maybe the players brought in should be the types that can cover for us even when Gerrard wasn't playing.
I wasn't in any way discrediting Rafa or trying to start an argument (which clearly some of you have taken it too seriously and failed to see another possibility of what might have happened). I'm merely saying to the general to stop publicly criticizing others. Hence, he have to share some of the blame. I'm not saying he has take all the blame but it is obvious that his mistakes in the transfer market did add to the debt of the club.
You and others took it as me slagging him off when I'm just saying to be a neutral cause we are not there when it happened. Don't take it too seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I was just sharing my opinion as a fellow fan and I didn't in any way say that I was 100% correct. I don't have any hard feelings over the discussions we had and we're all fans so maybe I'm just one person giving a different point of view that you all can think about. You don't have to accept it (which is quite clear by now that you don't) but it doesn't mean that my comments were complete nonsense.
Saying Gerrard had to carry the team is to discredit Rafa and his other players. There's no other way you can spin that. Personally, I wouldn't have replied to your post but when you raised Rafa to the height of a villain that was G&H, i simply had to defend his good name. The other players helped yes but you can't deny the fact that they should have done a lot better considering the money spent as well as them being selected by the manager. What I meant about the Gerrard point is that we relied heavily on him which I believe I did say in my initial post and considering their big money moves, Gerrard shouldn't have to be relied on as heavily. It was evident back then that when Gerrard wasn't playing, the team was just not good enough. So I'm trying to say that for the money spent maybe the players brought in should be the types that can cover for us even when Gerrard wasn't playing.
I wasn't in any way discrediting Rafa or trying to start an argument (which clearly some of you have taken it too seriously and failed to see another possibility of what might have happened). I'm merely saying to the general to stop publicly criticizing others. Hence, he have to share some of the blame. I'm not saying he has take all the blame but it is obvious that his mistakes in the transfer market did add to the debt of the club.
You and others took it as me slagging him off when I'm just saying to be a neutral cause we are not there when it happened. Don't take it too seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I was just sharing my opinion as a fellow fan and I didn't in any way say that I was 100% correct. I don't have any hard feelings over the discussions we had and we're all fans so maybe I'm just one person giving a different point of view that you all can think about. You don't have to accept it (which is quite clear by now that you don't) but it doesn't mean that my comments were complete nonsense.
How did Rafa contributed to our debt ? Can you provide the exact evidence and number ? As far as i know, Rafa's transfer fund came from CL revenues and the players he had to sell.
I find it hypocritical on your part to say one thing but then say things that contradict yourself. If you want us to forget Rafa, then how about you don't mention him at all ? As i've said no one here was debating about him until you came along and start talking about him in depth. People were just excited about his book, nothing wrong with that imo.
I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean it's immune from scrutiny and cannot be questioned. It's a public forum after all, not a personal blog.
Sep 11 2012, 02:38 PM

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