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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 1-2 ManU

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post Sep 11 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Sep 11 2012, 02:13 PM)
I was in no way slagging him. I was merely saying that he has to share the blame. He messed up in the transfer markets and while we challenged he still made mistakes in the transfer market involving huge sums of money so can you honestly say he didn't contribute to the debts the club had? Just because he messed up in the transfer market while the ex-owners run the club to the ground doesn't mean he don't need to take blame for his mistakes in the transfer market.

The other players helped yes but you can't deny the fact that they should have done a lot better considering the money spent as well as them being selected by the manager. What I meant about the Gerrard point is that we relied heavily on him which I believe I did say in my initial post and considering their big money moves, Gerrard shouldn't have to be relied on as heavily. It was evident back then that when Gerrard wasn't playing, the team was just not good enough. So I'm trying to say that for the money spent maybe the players brought in should be the types that can cover for us even when Gerrard wasn't playing.

I wasn't in any way discrediting Rafa or trying to start an argument (which clearly some of you have taken it too seriously and failed to see another possibility of what might have happened). I'm merely saying to the general to stop publicly criticizing others. Hence, he have to share some of the blame. I'm not saying he has take all the blame but it is obvious that his mistakes in the transfer market did add to the debt of the club.

You and others took it as me slagging him off when I'm just saying to be a neutral cause we are not there when it happened. Don't take it too seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I was just sharing my opinion as a fellow fan and I didn't in any way say that I was 100% correct. I don't have any hard feelings over the discussions we had and we're all fans so maybe I'm just one person giving a different point of view that you all can think about. You don't have to accept it (which is quite clear by now that you don't) but it doesn't mean that my comments were complete nonsense.
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Saying Gerrard had to carry the team is to discredit Rafa and his other players. There's no other way you can spin that. Personally, I wouldn't have replied to your post but when you raised Rafa to the height of a villain that was G&H, i simply had to defend his good name.

How did Rafa contributed to our debt ? Can you provide the exact evidence and number ? As far as i know, Rafa's transfer fund came from CL revenues and the players he had to sell.

I find it hypocritical on your part to say one thing but then say things that contradict yourself. If you want us to forget Rafa, then how about you don't mention him at all ? As i've said no one here was debating about him until you came along and start talking about him in depth. People were just excited about his book, nothing wrong with that imo.

I get that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean it's immune from scrutiny and cannot be questioned. It's a public forum after all, not a personal blog.
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post Sep 11 2012, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Sep 11 2012, 02:49 PM)
Just calm down alright, yes I can't prove it that he added to the debt but others won't be able to disprove that he didn't either. Simple as that, remain a neutral and just focus on the football of the present. You can say I'm hypocritical, you can say I'm not a true fan or whatever you wish but I was just sharing an opinion and yes it is open to scrutiny but maybe you should calm down and not judge me as a hypocrite? I'm not judging you by saying anything personal like "a hypocrite that I am".

The only reason I said what I said was because I've seen post from others talking about how Rafa would've done a better job if he was still here. We don't know that for sure. Try not to judge so quickly. This is a public forum like you said, so for you to tell me to not mention Rafa at all is unfair. It's public so I have just as much right to bring up a point as you do. I never told you to not mention a particular topic anymore.

Just calm down and leave this discussion as it is. All of us. It was 1 comment only, no need to start "slagging" me now. No hard feelings and move on. We had a difference in opinion, not a big deal right? Let's just agree to disagree lo.
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I am calm haha. I have not thrown petty insults at you whatsoever. Just questioning some of your points that's all bro. No hard feeling aye.
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post Sep 11 2012, 03:19 PM

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If Sterling can maintain his form, the thought of having 2 tricky wingers down both flanks really tingles my spine. And that Yesil fella does look like a promising no 9.

And there's also Assaidi, i saw a video the other day, and he looks quite good i reckon. Good touches, vision, and nifty footwork. Can even play a bit centrally as well.



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post Sep 11 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 11 2012, 03:23 PM)
I would love to see this kid Assaidi as well but he's not fit after recovering from injury. At the present moment, i dont see has a big part to play in Sunderland's game and also next up, we are facing Scum Utd. Too big a match for this lad. Dont want Rio Ferdinand to kick him and tell him "welcome to premier league" like what he did to Luis Garcia. biggrin.gif
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True. But apparently Assaidi grew up playing street footie in Amsterdam, so he picked up a bit of that notorious Dutch arrogance. Shame that he's still not fit to play.
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post Sep 11 2012, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 11 2012, 03:38 PM)
I love arrogant player. Arrogant = confident. biggrin.gif
Look at the scum trio of Eric Cantona, Roy Keane and Cristiano Ronaldo. All arrogant in their own way but successful. biggrin.gif
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Yep, even Sterling has a touch of arrogance in him. Downing could use some i reckon haha.
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post Sep 11 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 11 2012, 05:16 PM)
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Wayne Bridge, an English defender who sleeps with Vanessa Perroncel. John Terry, an English defender who also sleeps with Vanessa Perroncel.
So Wayne Bridge = John Terry? LOL biggrin.gif

Kidding.  rclxms.gif
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But they're white so it doesn't work that way.
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post Sep 12 2012, 02:28 PM

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Important day today. I hope those poor people get some long over due closure. JTF96.
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post Sep 12 2012, 03:41 PM

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Yeah i was referring to the publishing of the Hillsborough papers today.
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post Sep 12 2012, 10:05 PM

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Some shocking revelations. And i must admit that i find it even more upsetting than when i first read about Hillsborough. The lacked of action that could have saved precious lives. The devious cover up that went onto great length to demonize the people of Liverpool while absolving those responsible for the negligent. McKenzie has a lot to answer for.

Finally some justice. Some closure.


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post Sep 13 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 13 2012, 02:16 PM)
I cant believe Margaret Thatcher also played a part in covering up the truth. God. What happened to good people?
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I'm not surprised by it at all. She abandoned the city of Liverpool and left it to rot, when the merseyside took a stand against her policy that neglected the poor. It's no coincidence that the Yorksire police, who she used extensively to quell the mining strike, were absolved from any blame in the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster. She's by no means a popular figure in Merseyside, and the hatred towards her runs deep.
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post Sep 13 2012, 08:47 PM

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The moment that made it all possible .. I'm sure some of us were watching it back then. It's incredible that it would set everything into motion and change everything.




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post Sep 14 2012, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 14 2012, 01:13 PM)
It's ok, bro. Guy's sexiest age is 30 something. Still early 30s so it's cool. biggrin.gif
1989 - the year Hillsborough happened. I was still a kid, i remember asking my dad what happened.

Dad: "Stadium crumbled and people died".
Me: How many people died?
Dad: Not sure. 80 or 90 (dad was sad upon hearing the news)
Me: Cannot be. If the whole stadium crumble, at least more than 10,000 will die.
(Dad looked at me disgusted. But then, I was just a kid trying to make a logic out of the situation. biggrin.gif)

Then next year, I watched Red fans cried during King Kenny's last match. Sigh... ever since Hillsborough, we have been on the downhill.
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Yep those were hard days, i was 11 years old when it happened, and i admit i didn't feel as upset as i would today. But like all things in life, it's the journey that matters the most. You start growing up and learn things and it sticks with you forever. It has been a life lesson following this team. Call me a football romantic or whatever, but I really do believe the healing process will pick up a notch now that the fans in Liverpool have been completely vindicated. Everyone concerning Liverpool will be affected by the events of last few days and i hope the boys on the pitch will realize more than ever, that the only motivation they ever needed is right there in front of them.
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post Sep 14 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 14 2012, 02:23 PM)
I started at the end of Houllier's tenure, around 2004 i think, just before Rafa came in. I remember thinking, 'what's all this fuss about football' as I turned the telly to a Liverpool match. Then I saw this strange looking dude with reddish hair launch the ball in with a long throw. I would later learn he had a sweet left foot too. And that's how I started following the Reds, literally the first team I watched on telly...haha. On another note, my manager yesterday was surprised when I told him I supported Liverpool. He supports them too and said I'm too young to have known them in their prime...sadly I think a lot of people my age are either Chelsea, MU or MC fans.
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So you turned on the telly and it just happens to be Liverpool playing and decided that was your team ? That's fate man haha.
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post Sep 14 2012, 04:08 PM

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Stories are going around that Henry is thinking of selling the Red Sox and to focus on LFC. FSG has since denied but as they say, there's no smoke without fire.

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The owners of the Boston Red Sox are mulling a potential sale of the storied baseball franchise, and have even begun quietly shopping the team to potential buyers, the FOX Business Network has learned.
The team is owned by the Fenway Sports Group, which also owns the English football team Liverpool FC. While no final decision has been made about a potential sale, and the talks appear to be in the early stages, executives at Fenway Sports are debating whether they have the financial resources to run both teams, according to people with direct knowledge of the matter.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2012.../#ixzz26QcgrS90
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post Sep 14 2012, 07:34 PM

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You know those awful Hillsborough lies about fans urinated on cops, stealing from the dead etc ? It came from Irvine Patnick. Need you guys to register and sign for this epetition to remove his Knighthood.

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/mgEPet...61&HPID=4231961
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post Sep 14 2012, 09:10 PM

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Brilliant. Thanks for that.
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post Sep 14 2012, 10:05 PM

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Just finished watching it. It's actually a lot better than i expected. Some cringe moments but otherwise I really enjoyed it. It does well to 'humanize' the players and staff, and giving the fans the chance to get to know the manager. It leaves you with a good feeling at the end.

Looking forward to the next one.
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post Sep 14 2012, 10:48 PM

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Thanks for the heads up. Signed.
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post Sep 15 2012, 01:43 PM

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Managed to save a copy last night, so anyone interested in ep 1 of Being Liverpool can download it from ..

http://www.mediafire.com/?00w34g5cah122db
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post Sep 15 2012, 04:14 PM

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I think it's next week, it airs every Sunday.

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