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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V30, with <3s

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lhwj
post Sep 8 2012, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 8 2012, 08:44 AM)
Pak Z1 ady sadding 4AT kuat makan, u sumore add salt to the wound ka. I bet he usually do 13litre/100km instead of 13km/litre laugh.gif Still, I think Pak Z1 ady felt grateful for such FC liao. One must understand he who once owned an ole gaga 1.5 3AT for 20 years, FL 4AT kinda FC already too good to be true icon_idea.gif

GPMM FC very good meh? I tot GuGuman?
Usah bembang, tu rim BLM boley muat santek. Tapi sebab tu rim mia desain khas utk BLM, so nanti hang mia FLX nampak cacat pulak doh.gif tp takpe, pernah gua nampak jugak orang cerdik, keta puteh kasi cat tu BLM rim GUN METAL. Lining tepi kasi hailite BIRU reflector. Pastu tayar SILVERSTONE tu kasi cat wording ngan WHITE PAINT MARKER! Sempoi giler, macam keta DAYTONA FLX notworthy.gif

Harga RM400 dah sukup. Dia mia tayar tak tahan sebula, bunga terlampau sikit. Klu dia insist sakap ada tayr kena mau mahai sket, suruh dia bukak balek tayar, lu angkat RM350 dah. Ini rim tred in harga hanya RM250. RM400 adalah harga kedai tanpa tayar.

Padahalnyer, silverstone mia M3/M5 lagi teruk dpd BLITZ 1800 tayar MyBi. So, kalu nampai MyBi baru kuar kilang mau upgrade sporkrim, sepat kasi sapu sama dia mia tayar baru. Spek 175/65R14. Braking santek, tak terapong walau hujan lebat. Traction tak lari. Paling gilernyer, melampau jimat petrol!!! Nie suma M3/M5 dikalahkan
Say, after long drive when slow down infront traffic light engine RPM drop until veli the low, after several seconds oni it cum back up.

Like this they will understand. They will tell u no solution yet, and they tell you only your model have this problem.

I tell you, this happened since 2001 Plotong Wiga 1.3/1.5/1.6/1.8 But they ady improved a lot. Last time is slow down the car, straight away engine dead. Need to crank again laugh.gif unless tune the idling to 2500rpm doh.gif So, I think they IMPROVED a lot on Campor engine liao
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Oh I get it now. Sorry Z1 blush.gif Ayam still puzzled though.

Yes I meant the Enduroshield Salesman lah tongue.gif

QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Sep 7 2012, 02:04 PM)
563.3 km/34.21 liter
6.07 litre/100km
16.46 km/liter

route ratio : 95% highway / 5% city
driving style : gogoman eco style
driving weather : dry/cold/night
cruise speed : 85~100kmph
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My final trip I drove back from PJ to Penang, same style, only manage to get 6.1L/100km dry.gif Conditions were very close to ideal.

But 34L is dangerously close from empty. The tank is dry at 36L.

175/65R14 sidewall is only 2.75 mm thicker than 185/60R14. But what are other possible side effects of using 175 tyre? hmm.gif

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post Sep 8 2012, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 8 2012, 10:34 AM)
Less traction, less stable, but also less likely to aquaplane. Best of all, save fuel  thumbup.gif
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No wonder Maivee (and YAB's Iswaga, cos same tyres) FC so good lar whistling.gif

I wonder if I can do 3L/100km if I use 175/65R14 laugh.gif tongue.gif



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post Sep 8 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 8 2012, 10:46 AM)
apa ni..  biggrin.gif  can hide hide mar... lolz jk anyway...

so wait for ur news lar... ^^
u test it out thn let us know...
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Okay then...

YAB, can I borrow your Iswaga rims and Blitz for a week or two? laugh.gif


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post Sep 8 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 8 2012, 03:38 PM)
Stick on windscreen, the rearview mirror split to half LCD that type RM500
I always on A-Pillar. Luke is a little weird thoughm he posted picture before, but can't remember where is it. Wait for him to show you how he did it sweat.gif

Btw, forgot I got video of my gauge. This is my current setup on GaGa
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lhwj
post Sep 8 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 8 2012, 04:17 PM)
Judging from the amount of treads left, time to change anyway  hmm.gif


Added on September 8, 2012, 4:18 pm

Poor Vacuum gauge. ade tisu box Smart Tag holder teman.
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Fixed icon_idea.gif

Btw you see YAB's Iswaga, idling also 19 hg/in.

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post Sep 8 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 8 2012, 04:25 PM)
Get the password and make it 22in/hg on idling sleep.gif you'll surprise how fast it pickup, how good FC it gets, and everything seems upgraded instantaneously sweat.gif
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So, what's the password? brows.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 8 2012, 04:27 PM)
That was on aircon + headlights + sound system full load idling sleep.gif See reply above
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I think, for someone who understands your Iswaga, its resale value is prolly more than the original price 16 years ago laugh.gif

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post Sep 9 2012, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 8 2012, 11:18 PM)
I enjoyed it very much wub.gif
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I see that your temperature gauge is still not functioning brows.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Sep 8 2012, 11:59 PM)
Sorry correction.

It's RM54k!!

imagine that, paying 54k for a Saga  doh.gif
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No wonder nobody wanted to buy lor whistling.gif

They should clear it as old stock. Perhaps around RM 35k.
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post Sep 9 2012, 04:20 PM

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Just saw a Hyundai Atos with it's engine bay on fire shocking.gif

Wanted to snap a pic while waiting at the traffic light but then it turned green dry.gif
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post Sep 9 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Sep 9 2012, 04:24 PM)
speaking of the 54k saga... i rather buy this...
http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+M+-15955794.htm
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Good find! Mileage is surprisingly low for a 12 year old car hmm.gif

And what a beast of an engine that is brows.gif

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post Sep 9 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(xtorm @ Sep 9 2012, 04:58 PM)
Is a standard flx manual at 35k+ a good price?

http://www.mudah.my/Proton+Saga+FLX+CVT+1+3-13924985.htm

Tht shop is at pandan indah nearby Steven corner. Wonder if any1 had any experience wirh them.
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Looks a bit suspicious to me. The specs doesn't tell you exactly what you're getting. Headline says 1.3 FLX CVT but doesn't state the trim level (Standard or Executive). The first pic is a red FLX 1.6 SE worth 50k, followed by a brown 1.3 Executive, but the description is "New Saga FLX CVT/N-line/Manual". N-Line has been discontinued long ago, it's the old white model with unpainted bumpers. Plus there's so much free stuff, and the price is too low if the car is new. The whole ad is so confusing.

The cheapest Standard manual is already RM 38k from Proton Edar. I doubt anyone can sell lower than that and offer so much more stuff.

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post Sep 9 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 9 2012, 05:11 PM)
what? Honga Cigic? Oh I love Honga Cigic wub.gif


You really love posting eksiden pictars eh shakehead.gif

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For your info, I'm currently deeply poisoned by this little red devil wub.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 9 2012, 05:26 PM)
Are they a Proton dealer? If buying new then buy from Proton dealer.

If it is a used car....RM35k better buy new  doh.gif
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Not to mention the warranty issues if he were to buy from there instead of the dealer.

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post Sep 9 2012, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(Predator10 @ Sep 9 2012, 06:01 PM)
got it fixed for 15 bucks..

without that knob can't change gear to reverse or park, luckily still can drive around.  doh.gif
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So if need to reverse... Put in N and tolak kereta lah laugh.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 PM)
Not only ventilation console, gear knob also become prrrastik
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Put on Gaga and troll unfamiliar drivers icon_idea.gif

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Henbrek handle is fawesome on the original design
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But any items in the center compartment will be crushed by the lever rclxub.gif

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post Sep 10 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 PM)
If you can read chinese, you'll be surprised Gabby is the only Plotong model went through thorough inspection
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Wo men mei you shi jian... arrrgghh that's all I can read tongue.gif


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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 10 2012, 01:17 PM)
Who cares, asalkan cantek bruce.gif
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I always put my phone and wallet there okay whistling.gif

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post Sep 10 2012, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 10 2012, 04:27 PM)
BLM/FL is load based ECU, FLX is torque based ECU.
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Explain plox? hmm.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 10 2012, 04:41 PM)
Emm...put it simply....

Load based ECU translates pedal action into throttle plate angle, which in turn calculates fuel injected based on the airflow and commanded AFR.

Torque based ECU translates pedal action into torque demand, which it then calculate how much the throttle plate should be opened and how much fuel should be injected.

Eg. When you step on the gas, you are telling the car how much you want the throttle to open. When I step on the gas, I am telling the car how much torque I want.

I am not sure what exactly happens on a lower level, but I would venture a guess the fuel injection rate is less dependent on throttle opening, but more on how to best serve the demanded torque.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 10 2012, 06:55 PM)
According to my tiny little technical knowledge, vacuum reading is only limited to intake manifold, has nothing to do with fuel injected rate. Meaning, whatever throttle position/engine load will direct reflect on the vacuum gauge.

1) Uphill = Engine on load(vacuum up = dropped on figure). You'll see vacuum up from 15,14,13,12,11 all the way to 0. For AT car, torque converter will only release and reclutch(drop gear) when RPM dropped below engine load(less than 2krpm under normal circumstances). So, for AT car uses L gear to climb hill will result in saving petrol. Otherwise, if the clutch still banged on the 4th gear and you step 9 the gas pedal to maintain 3krpm, climbing hill at 110kmh, you'll burning excess fuel to maintain the wrong gear ratio. I'd say r3apers did a great job in finding this useful info. However, this might not applicable to CVT as the transmission ratio(puller position) is auto adjust by TCU. Therefore, if you shift to L/SAT meaning you're putting strain on the gear box. You can maintain D all time driving CVT. If you read vacuum meter, just try to maintain around 10in/hg is sufficient. If traveling speed dropped also dont give a f*** roll to the side and continue your vacuum at 10in/hg.

2) Downhill = Engine no load(vacuum down = figure up). You'll see vacuum down from 15,16,17,18,19,20 all the way until crazy 26in/hg. For AT car, torque converter was fully released tension. RPM dropped to idling vacuum reading. No engine braking. For manual cars, if you're still on high gear, depends on your speed and how much torque being channeled from the wheel to your piston. The faster speed/lower gear, the lower your vacuum gets. CVT will have the same effect like a manual tranny because the clutch is still intact. I don't know how the OBD2 reads the fuel flow rate during downhill, but for manual and older air/fuel system is definitely wrong. Despite RPM is hai, if throttle is shut meaning ONLY IDLING amount of fuel will be injected into the engine. Again, this MAY NOT applicable to latest engine management technology.

If got opportunity, I willing to open my Iswaga bonnet and explain to you how does engine work on idling/normal drive/full load(sprint). Newer cars already covered up by plastic, so you probably will never see how things work. Kinda reminds me last time slut bar TT that time V12k bring you guys visit my clutch work in my car, like everybody seeing dinosaur laid eggs laugh.gif
OCT2 tengah dalam research, FOC upgrade akan diberikan sebab hang yang tikus puteh pertama notworthy.gif Terima kasih atas kerjasama kamu.
Sendiri talak bikin, suruh orang bikin pulak dry.gif
You guys have no idea what happened when blacklisted dont you sleep.gif When you're being sued bankruptcy, whatever salary you get are subjected to pay back loan in the first place. If your agreed monthly repayment is higher than your salary, your earned salary will be given maximum daily expanses RM20 as normal wage, the rest will pay back as interest for the rest of your life. You shall not own car/house or any kind of asset(s) and or liability. Sorry I just got my nose back few years ago. If you're not broke(even if you are), just don't admit it or cincai take the title. Ever heard law of attraction? Mieza willingly to give you an enema lecture. Money I got, not more than some other richfag nia wink.gif

On the side note, Mrs YAB sold her car and married me so we can live low profile life. I was jobless and she bite it together with me notworthy.gif
Who? whistling.gif
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Same to you YAB notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(r3apers @ Sep 10 2012, 09:09 PM)
as for i prefer shifting manual to maintain a good vacuum, as i balancing with rpm with vacuum gauge...
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Should have just bought MT in the first place tongue.gif


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post Sep 11 2012, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(axcel_1921 @ Sep 10 2012, 11:49 PM)
Hi guys, i drive a saga blm manual 1.3 n i hv really bad fc i get about 250km with 60bucks full tank normal traffic. Is that normal? Anyone care to share their experience.
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Not normal. You should be getting at least 300+ km even in the worst of traffic.

What is your driving style? hmm.gif
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post Sep 11 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Sep 11 2012, 12:13 AM)
He no need training already like that, now trained already become worst doh.gif
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Maybe I should follow your advice and take the V gauge off for two or three tanks and see if I still get ~8.5L/100 km on the Island hmm.gif

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post Sep 11 2012, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 11 2012, 12:21 AM)
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It's a lil bit inaccurate factually, but I shall nominate you for the Nobel Prize in Literature laugh.gif thumbup.gif

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post Sep 11 2012, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Cls63Amg7 @ Sep 11 2012, 02:55 AM)
I'm a very tall person too, so I hope I can fit sad.gif
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Just how tall are you? hmm.gif

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