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post Sep 24 2012, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 24 2012, 05:14 PM)
https://dotabuff.com/matches/43107138

see the TA's performance  shocking.gif

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Lol opposing team must have fed so much.. haha.
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post Sep 24 2012, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(Xenn @ Sep 24 2012, 05:07 PM)
now i understand what's the main difference between your logic and mine. you're using bh as hard carry. i treat bh as a semi. rolleyes.gif
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i treat my bh as a semi, usually creep count at 20+ only, still viable to get a bf. why bf? small component, and splash crit.

if the opponent have a lot of disabler, i get mithril hammer then continue bkb. then straight deso.

only get bf if u doing well early game.
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post Sep 24 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Xenn @ Sep 24 2012, 12:53 AM)
drum/bottle? thats why people get jinada/ww early, because toss damage/mana scale is not really good early game, with lv2 toss and lv4 jinada, you can do almost same damage as lv4 toss lv2 jinada (30-50 damage difference, 40 mana cost difference).

if your team have bottle carrier like qop/ta, you can also opt to go urn.
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if u get bottle mean u spend more money with deso+bottle than bf, and also wasting 1 slot, although the slot is not a big concern. and also the item built for bf is much more easier if count from early game.
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post Sep 24 2012, 09:50 PM

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i wonder: how hard for people to NOTICE ENEMY HERO at the place where i had PLACED WARDS during EARLY GAME??

oh well, stupidity can't be cured...
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post Sep 24 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Sep 24 2012, 09:50 PM)
i wonder: how hard for people to NOTICE ENEMY HERO at the place where i had PLACED WARDS during EARLY GAME??

oh well, stupidity can't be cured...
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post Sep 24 2012, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Sep 24 2012, 09:50 PM)
i wonder: how hard for people to NOTICE ENEMY HERO at the place where i had PLACED WARDS during EARLY GAME??

oh well, stupidity can't be cured...
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That's not being stupid. It means the player just doesn't have enough map awareness. Understand that pub games have noobs.
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post Sep 25 2012, 12:10 AM

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yea, sometimes too focus on last hitting, din aware of the mini map
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:32 AM

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Do any of used the VOIP? I wanna play with people who I don't have to type with all the time.
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(jlim87 @ Sep 24 2012, 10:28 PM)
That's not being stupid. It means the player just doesn't have enough map awareness. Understand that pub games have noobs.
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there was a short pause in game, i had mentioned about dodging enemies who might hiding at that location for early harrasment/ kill, yet, it's like placing a ward there so he can go and get his buttocks handed to opponent.

at least the next game aint so frustrating, wards everywhere (peeps are so kind to donate wards) and early creep farming with treants did paid off

QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Sep 25 2012, 12:10 AM)
yea, sometimes too focus on last hitting, din aware of the mini map
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that's obvious not last hitting, he walked there and wanted to start the fight.
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Sep 25 2012, 01:53 AM)
there was a short pause in game, i had mentioned about dodging enemies who might hiding at that location for early harrasment/ kill, yet, it's like placing a ward there so he can go and get his buttocks handed to opponent.

at least the next game aint so frustrating, wards everywhere (peeps are so kind to donate wards) and early creep farming with treants did paid off

that's obvious not last hitting, he walked there and wanted to start the fight.
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still doesn't mean they're stupid. you can tell a clumsy person to watch out for the china, but if they have shitty coordination and poor visual awareness, then they're still going to knock into the china and break it. in your case, the player is a n00b. having good map awareness and ability to watch out for enemies and escape is a skill that can be honed. sides, you placed wards, so you actually HAVE visibility and therefore it would mean that it would still be generally safe to go, but one just needs to be careful and not take risky moves. stupidity is when you tell them don't walk to the river because there is an enemy there and he can see it and the enemy still remains there but he goes there anyway for no rhyme or reason.


.. or seeing the enemy team at roshan and then rushing in to engage them solo. That is the stupidest thing to ever f***ing do.

This post has been edited by jlim87: Sep 25 2012, 02:47 AM
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post Sep 25 2012, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(jlim87 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:46 AM)
still doesn't mean they're stupid. you can tell a clumsy person to watch out for the china, but if they have shitty coordination and poor visual awareness, then they're still going to knock into the china and break it. in your case, the player is a n00b. having good map awareness and ability to watch out for enemies and escape is a skill that can be honed. sides, you placed wards, so you actually HAVE visibility and therefore it would mean that it would still be generally safe to go, but one just needs to be careful and not take risky moves. stupidity is when you tell them don't walk to the river because there is an enemy there and he can see it and the enemy still remains there but he goes there anyway for no rhyme or reason.
.. or seeing the enemy team at roshan and then rushing in to engage them solo. That is the stupidest thing to ever f***ing do.
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like you said, i had visibility for that area, so did other people in the team. please put yourself in my shoes for a minute:

game started, you're on drow and your lane mate is venomancer, while opponent were zeus and yureno. there's a ward placed in the forest, located upper left

3 minutes into the game a pause happened, during the pause you had mentioed about wards. we did initially pushed yureno back bafore zeus joins the lane. later in a thug of war, yureno went into the forest and waited, the mobs were pushed back favoring radiant and and venomancer was on 50% (due to zeus) while yureno was 60%

then sh!t happened: he charged into the forest with his less than 50% hp after being heavily nuked, just to hand his buttocks to zeus and yureno. at 1st i was like, 'ok, that might be a bit of miscalculation there...' then it happened again, 2 vs 1, then again... and again... so yeah, 2vs 1 is a risky move and he tried to beat someone with mild dps (yureno) and a super heavy nuker (zeus)

it's like raiding in MMO: it's fine if you caught yourself dying standing in fire once a while (we all know sh!t happens), but it would be a problem when you're repeatedly causing the group wipe because of the same problem

the only plus side was he stayed till late game, unlike certain people who likes to pull their LAN sockets and 'pretend' their internut is at fault (well i DUN MIND them blaming TMNut, it's sh!tty anyways)

*note: fyi, i don't call ppl 'nuubs' in-game; i'm not |337, dun tend to be |337 and would not pretend i'm |337
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Sep 25 2012, 09:27 AM)
like you said, i had visibility for that area, so did other people in the team. please put yourself in my shoes for a minute:

game started, you're on drow and your lane mate is venomancer, while opponent were zeus and yureno. there's a ward placed in the forest, located upper left

3 minutes into the game a pause happened, during the pause you had mentioed about wards. we did initially pushed yureno back bafore zeus joins the lane. later in a thug of war, yureno went into the forest and waited, the mobs were pushed back favoring radiant and and venomancer was on 50% (due to zeus) while yureno was 60%

then sh!t happened: he charged into the forest with his less than 50% hp after being heavily nuked, just to hand his buttocks to zeus and yureno. at 1st i was like, 'ok, that might be a bit of miscalculation there...' then it happened again, 2 vs 1, then again... and again... so yeah, 2vs 1 is a risky move and he tried to beat someone with mild dps (yureno) and a super heavy nuker (zeus)

it's like raiding in MMO: it's fine if you caught yourself dying standing in fire once a while (we all know sh!t happens), but it would be a problem when you're repeatedly causing the group wipe because of the same problem

the only plus side was he stayed till late game, unlike certain people who likes to pull their LAN sockets and 'pretend' their internut is at fault (well i DUN MIND them blaming TMNut, it's sh!tty anyways)

*note: fyi, i don't call ppl 'nuubs' in-game; i'm not |337, dun tend to be |337 and would not pretend i'm |337
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Well, now, this sounds vastly different from your first message here about ward placement. If you had said this earlier, then perhaps I could have understood how you better felt. But anyway, water under the bridge. Forgive and forget; it's just a game anyway. I've had my fair share of idiots too; it seems those that can't play well but end up b****ing about how the rest of the team sucks can be rather common in SEA servers. Now, see, those are idiots.

Anyway, being a n00b isn't that huge an insult. I call myself a n00b and that's because I AM a n00b. It's called being realistic and calling a spade for what it is. No biggie, doesn't mean one has to be able to cook awesome kuey teow to tell that the kuay teow he is eating is terrible.
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:09 PM

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somehow i think d2 has a weird system that gives you game according to your weakness. those with weak teamwork will be put in a game with war 24/7 . lol.
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Weak teamwork makes you a bad player, fullstop, imho.
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QUOTE(bryan @ Sep 25 2012, 02:58 PM)
Weak teamwork makes you a bad player, fullstop, imho.
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post Sep 25 2012, 05:20 PM

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F*ckest game I ever played in my life. No teamwork at all. vmad.gif

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post Sep 25 2012, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Sep 25 2012, 05:20 PM)
F*ckest game I ever played in my life. No teamwork at all. vmad.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 25 2012, 05:23 PM)
can't see shiat

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Sep 25 2012, 05:20 PM)
F*ckest game I ever played in my life. No teamwork at all. vmad.gif

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Nice feed bro.

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QUOTE(sanderz @ Sep 25 2012, 05:20 PM)
F*ckest game I ever played in my life. No teamwork at all. vmad.gif

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