Cyberjaya thread seems like dominating the property forum. Interesting. However, it always very controversial. Either hate or love it. Good discussion here but just sure it doesn't go beyond the discussion to personal attack .

SH's townhouse is very limited.

Yeah..new kid on the block.

Just to share. After the launched of seg, there was a investment grp went in sh and bought 10+unit morzart. That time morzart price still at ard 1.0xmil which was earlier phase leftover units.

Sh used to be not investment friendly as there was no dibs n free this and tat. Uem claimed that they dont make much money on this project. Personally i love the schubert double volume living type of unit. Tat time was only 1.03mil. But skipped it due to the timing issue of cyberjaya commercial development. I feel that it needs at least till 2017 to become vibrant. But if one to wait for another two yrs, the premium to pay is too high. So i guess many just get seg...need to hold like 2 or 3yrs to reap the first wave of value realisation in ciber. My view is by 2015, ciber ll b livable. By 2017 should be vibrant enough. Of coz, everyone has his own vibrancy definition.

Before they hiked the price yes but not after the launched of seg. Schubert now is at freaking 1.5mil

Setia haruman still need to buck up. The lake garden and the cummunity club is a bit wasted. Yes, i still see ppls hang around there but it can be a nice attraction to get more family crowds there. Since putrajaya has better gardens/parks n water acitivities, this side of lake garden is damn run down n like semi abandoned with no one interested to go except thw go kart circuit there.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 11:10 pmAt this price psf i ll go for beethoven smd...2.xmil now? Last time 1.6xmil damn value for money.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 16 2012, 11:11 PM

Sh ll be very nice for ownstay. Like the concept n they way they placed the garden to connect each unit. Top notch! It is better than seg individual phase's setup. Seg ll give u resort feel from the whole development perspective not individual parcel as i expect it ll b jus another ecopark landscape. Sh, individual parcel n the connection of garden n common area itself ll b much better than seg.

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Added on November 16, 2012, 11:21 pmI hope u managed to get extra rebate from sa. Koon is very helpful

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 16 2012, 11:21 PM

Vp time then u know lo......keke.

Tats the common perception on ciber. Setia haruman understand it after so many yrs failing to bring up ciber to speed in term of commercial n night time population. By looking at putrajaya, they know that operating model doesnt work especially u r talking about mnc expat n workers here. Non halal businessman know how to count le...demand and supply driven. But it needs to start somewhere..chicken n egg..they are waiting night time population to grow.which is normally the case..gradual growth is expected next few yrs till most of the projs are completed. No one has cystal ball, lets wait n see. For investors, holding power is the key for ciber investment (those like quick flip or exponential profits ll invest elsewhere), ownstayers the decision is simple if u know all the developments that are going on there.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 18 2012, 11:37 AM

Why it mus be at shaftbury? Gd to have there but not compulsory right? Elsewhere is equally ok.

By the way, from setia haruman website below, u can see the directories of all bistro n bar there. But could b not updated. But to said it is non halal status for ciber is absolute not true n baseless. Bear in mind the directory is from setia haruman. I m jus kpc here to show some facts sharing to ensure the info is not misleading.

http://www.cyberjaya-msc.com/cyberjaya_directory15.asp

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 18 2012, 03:12 PM

The setia haruman directory quoted above already proved that cyber is non halal status.

It is true! One need to be a bit imaginative to foresee the changes in ciber haha if intend to buy one there. In term of separation of dev, it ll change at least at that stretch from seg to sejati. Many dev set to develope over there to form an enclave for resi cum commercial area.

Personal view, recent launches on shoebox size apartment are overpriced. Cap appreciation ll b very limited. I still prefer landed over there.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 18 2012, 03:29 PM

Ok. Got wat u mean. I think doing biz is always based on demand n supply driven. Due to current demography n me students the restaurants are catered more for them. When chinese night population demand raise then u ll see the increase of non halal food. It is the nature of biz environment. My2cents.

Already has the klia transit le. Faster n nicer to kl.

Cyberjaya...no pollution at all. Unlike other places with industry n manufactures nearby. + point to stay in cyberjaya.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Nov 26 2012, 10:58 AM

how about the two pandas from china? I ll be housed in putrajayA....ha

Cyberjaya no need to lure ppl from mk cheras etc to stay there in next few yrs after commercial is up. Need to b realistic. Dpc took 7/8 yrs to pull mk ppls over. Maybe few here n there yes..definitely not flooding in for sure. Most importantly it mus convince the ciber employees to stay there. Thats more than enough for first phsse population. It is muc easier. If it cant even attract them to stay then it ll take timessssss to get population. Next ll b the migrants from puchong n kajang..of course those like spaces n better environment.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Dec 11 2012, 09:31 PM

Personally feel thst all recently launched shoebox size apartments are all overpriced. Those who thought to flip should think twice. Those wanna ownstay n move to a brand new world then it is not a bad choice.

Correct. It is not easy. But we are talking about phase 1 after commercial is up. So it could be slightly easier than what we are seeing now in 3yrs time. Having said that, your hypothetical scenarios are not comprehensive enough to cover entire population here. It should 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9..... to cover eg. single who work in cbj, couple both work in cbj without kid, couple one work in cjb one in kajang without kid, couple one work in cjb, one work in puchong/serikembangan/shah alam/Sepang, Pilot or those travel frequently etc. While there are ppls care about foods or taichi but there are also many don't care about this (like me, my wife is fantastic chef). So, there can be many different scenarios that can be favoured to and infavoured to cbj.

Anyway, as i said earlier it will be taking time. I realised nowadays ppls are more mobile than the generation before. I stayed and moved to many places in Klang Valley over years like ampang, cheras, kajang, PJ ss2, subang etc. Ppls will try to improve their standard of living in term of lifestyle or move from shit to better place. And Lifestyle, for different ppls will be different definition..it can be in term of house itself, environment surrounding the housing development, food, shopping mall, traffic, distance to work, density etc. A township will attract those who meet their requirement. Sometimes, it is difficult to assume a place that can fullfill ALL ppls requirements. Every place sure ada their fans. Just like me, I never think that SA is livable 3years ago. But now, it is in pretty good shape (though i still won't live there). So, let's see and revisit this in 3-5years time, it shall give us different perspective (good or bad time will tell).

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Added on December 12, 2012, 7:56 pmYes highrise seems to be the theme of development. But, landed is getting expensive which means many have no choice but to settle with highrise. When we look at oversupply, we need to know the yearly expansion of population from newbies too. But surely, for specific area, i see oversupply of highrise that can be an issues in term of competition for flipper or rental market. I am more concern on shoebox apartment.

This post has been edited by MrHunter: Dec 12 2012, 07:56 PM

Suntrack holds some units.