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post Oct 4 2012, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(abrak @ Oct 4 2012, 02:27 PM)
Need comment from you guys regarding the focus point of this image below.

I'm using 17-35 with D600. The image is straight from the camera, uploaded into Flickr. 

I'm not sure either my lens are the one that have soft focus issue or my hand that is shaking badly. But I think my hand steady enough. sweat.gif icon_question.gif

Should I send the lens to Nikon for recalibration?

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Last pic seems like got slight shake. Well, high MP usually more sensitive when especially when you zoom in. If you downsize it, then it's not so obvious anymore.

As for focus, if you're from APS-C moving to FF, you might need to get used to the more shallow DOF.

For D600, the JPEG picture control, the default sharpness setting should be very low or 0 right?
Not sure what previous camera you use, but entry level usually have higher sharpness settings, if not wrong, setting of 7?

If you want to test, try mounting your camera on tripod or on something steady/stable like table, focus on an object and capture then review.


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post Oct 4 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(abrak @ Oct 4 2012, 03:23 PM)
Thanks all for the replies. I've some ideas on what's happening though. I guess overall not the lens issue. It's a learning curve for me to improve my skills smile.gif
Yes you're right. I'm coming from D300 and the sharpness setting is at 7 while the D600 is defaulted at 3. Thanks for the highlight.
I guess this is something that I need to readjust, my skills. 2.8f on crop sensor def a lot less compare to what I have come to now with FF.
It looks fine to me when viewing as a whole pictures. When pixel peeping that get me worried. Maybe because I've seen too many test shot on tripod.
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Upgrade to bigger sensor + MUCH higher megapixel need to adjust for the more shallow DOF and more sensitive.

Just like when using a compact, upgrading to a DSLR, the DOF can be a challege to overcome (also experience and learning curve) especially when using large aperture lens.

As for MP, just like what you experience, when you view the whole picture, it looks fine, but as you zoom further, you will see more. For high MP, even slight movement can affect it.
Even D7000 with 16MP, there's some photographers facing issues with camera shake and need to shoot at faster shutter speed as it seems to be more sensitive.

Same goes to mobile phones, back then only 2MP, now there is 12MP; and 38MP on the 808 PureView.
Using the 808 PureView, shooting at 38MP is a challenge to get sharp and steady shot, but when shooting at 8MP or lower, you have far lesser issue to get sharp image.
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QUOTE(abrak @ Oct 4 2012, 04:37 PM)
True! Maybe I should not peep on the pixel too much  sweat.gif
I have 50mm 1.4G. I'll try that next.
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In a way, can help to improve your skills also, might need to adjust to use faster shutter speed to reduce the chances of shake (sometimes shooting event like Wedding, you need to get that shot, you may notice using your usual shutter speed as you used to on D300 may not be good enough).

Anyway, if you're going to downsize the picture to lower MP, those very minor shake will not be visible or noticeable.
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post Oct 10 2012, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Oct 10 2012, 10:22 AM)
OT: http://www.petapixel.com/2012/10/09/photos...viral-in-china/

iJELLY. (more photos inside link)

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Maybe they're also training photographers from young, as how they train their Athletes tongue.gif
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post Oct 12 2012, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 12 2012, 01:49 PM)
808 cannot la.
the shutter not responsive enough with case.
must use touchscreen shutter, then cannot shoot like that tongue.gif
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So, you going to use touchscreen shutter? BOLD~
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 12 2012, 03:47 PM)
no la, use 2 sec self time  rclxms.gif
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Haha, smart! That's a good one tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 14 2012, 02:29 AM)
use neatimage, one of the best freewares on the market now.
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Seems it's not free?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 15 2012, 11:52 AM)
its free for certain essentials, if u try it then u can see for urself.
the paid one lets u edit other stuff apart from jpg.
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You mean the demo version? I check the site, it said the demo version only support for 8 bit jpeg?

QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
depends what u want to shoot, and if u really need a larger working distance.
if all u going to shoot is little products etc, 105mm is overkill.
likewise if u going to shoot insects, 60mm is not enough tho for some ppl it is a better lens.
a general cheaper in-between is of cos tamron sp90...but i rather wait for the new one to be announced first and see how much it is.
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105 VR have focus breathing, so might need to get use to that. For true serious macro, it might be annoying. But for general macro, should be ok. Besides, the lens is good for Portraits as well and focusing speed is acceptably fast when set to limit, still able accurately follow the subject which is moving.

In comparison with SP90, the 105VR triumphs over it in MANY ways, it maybe pricier, but there's big difference is terms of features and what it offers. Firstly, the focusing speed and accuracy easily be one of the reason, second the Internal Focusing while the SP90 extends like crazy.... plus Silent Focus on the Nikkor.
More... there's VR on the Nikkor, excellent built quality, Nano Coating,... and is it weather sealed?
In comparison, it's just very much differences in terms of specs, features and performance alone and the price isn't much far apart if you take those into considerations, unlike comparison with other 3rd party lens, where there's little difference in terms of specs or features mainly, but a HUGE gap in terms of Price.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 15 2012, 12:43 PM)
i didnt know jpg got more than 8bit.
thats why i said wait for the NEW SP90.
it doesnt extend and its got updated optics.
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I thought it was referring to color bit depth? Or its referring to something else?
The bit depth from jpeg file produce from 808 already 24 bit

Yes, the new SP90 might be worth looking at, but it might cost up to RM2K? While the 105mm VR is about RM3K street price?



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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 15 2012, 01:08 PM)
it says lossless jpg, so assume highest quality possible...more than enough for general usage.

SP90 price now is speculation since no price announced...but release date is end of this yr.


Added on October 15, 2012, 1:29 pmthing is im not going to argue and say 105mm vr is not a good choice...it is a good choice...if u got money.
if ur on a budget, most will probably be thinking i can also get a used 85mm 1.4d or 105mm dc...or even save money and get the nikon 60mm macro...cept with a very short working distance...so need to see what u want to shoot...
plus got ppl out there who use 60mm as a general lens for anything...products...wedding rings...etc etc.

as for the sp90 extending...again thats why u need to ask urself what u want to shoot.
if its just products, well there is no way the product is going to run or fly away right? tongue.gif
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Yup, it depends on what one is looking and the purpose, it's the same for other 3rd party lens comparison.
Just saying that comparison of other type of lens against the 3rd party, the 105mm Nikkor vs Tammy SP90, the 105mm does offer a whole lot more.

QUOTE(ifer @ Oct 15 2012, 01:52 PM)
Lossless jpeg. I would very much like to see that. Oh, and 24bit jpeg files as well. Will give you my macbook pro laptop camera if you show me a 24 but jpeg file. Hehee
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Just referring to the jpeg file produced.
As I know, 8 bit = 256 colors? There's noticeable difference when you convert a jpeg to 8-bit, or should say pretty bad.
Not sure what are the actual color depth of the file, it's just stated as 24-bit.


Added on October 15, 2012, 2:18 pmAh, I see, you're talking about per channel.

Previously, when I see the Neat Image demo description, I miss out the per channel for 8-bits.
It does support 24-bit for RGB

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QUOTE(ifer @ Oct 15 2012, 02:18 PM)
Jpegs are only 8bits (256 tones per channel). Though today's Japanese DSLR can capture images in 14bits (15k+ tones)

One thing that medium format can do and smaller format can't is to capture images in 16bits. Pffttt... 2nits difference nia I heard you say but 16bits has 65k+ tones.

Imagine all the tones and colours that you are missing when you use Jpegs.
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Previously when seeing the Neat Image Demo limitation, didn't notice the 8-bits is per channel, while the file description is about the color depth.

Hm... now that you mentioned it, I'm not sure if I remember wrongly or not. Does viewing RAW file in LR and JPEG have difference in color? I seems to remember noticing and comparing before.
Seems this happen to flickr as well, after upload the jpeg image up, seems to notice some banding in the clouds especially, not sure if it's due to sharpening or what, but because of that, I have to re-edit and re-post the image up to flickr.


Added on October 15, 2012, 2:25 pm
QUOTE(ifer @ Oct 15 2012, 02:18 PM)
Let me get back to my computer tonight and share an article to you guys. It's important to maximise the megapixels and nano coating and colour depth your awesome equipments are capable of producing.
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QUOTE(ifer @ Oct 15 2012, 03:02 PM)
You guys should have gone to Wesley's talk 2 weeks ago. Goldfries was promoting it here
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Too far plus it's a working day, though really wanted to go.... Been trying to figure out for prints as well, like what we see on monitor vs prints, RGB vs CMYK, etc.

Any web version write up or recordings available?


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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Oct 15 2012, 03:51 PM)
Where's your location?

There's no web version write up AFAIK and even there's video recordings, we may only access the general highlights of the event and doesn't cover the full talk. The talk covered 10 "common" questions about printing and it's more like opening to "fundamentals" of understanding about printing. If you want to learn in details, you'll have to attend his workshop smile.gif
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Port Klang.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

QUOTE(ifer @ Oct 16 2012, 09:20 AM)
understanding dynamic range

this is the post that i mentioned yesterday
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Thanks~
I think I read this before quite long ago. Used to read many things from there last time, many useful information there.

EDIT:
After reading through, I discover about the image posterization effect which I mentioned previously when I upload some image to Flickr and the skies in the pic uploaded to Flickr suffered posterization. Funny thing is I read that before but totally forgotten or not able to recall it when I face the problem.
Interesting to read back after experiencing it.
Now wonder why when uploaded to Flickr have these posterization effect while seems OK on the original JPEG file. Maybe also try to print it and see....

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Oct 23 2012, 12:57 PM)
Agito666 has 24-70 f/2.8G and I wonder what he do with it after knowing photography and bought that lens whistling.gif
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As Bryan Mills from Taken says "What I do best"

So, for Agito, it'll be what he do best tongue.gif

Do you know his hobby last time he put in his siggy? tongue.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Oct 23 2012, 01:38 PM)
celciuz can join NPS already since you have 2 full-frame bodies, izzit that's the requirement? unsure.gif
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I think need to be a Full Time Photographer too.


QUOTE(vearn27 @ Oct 23 2012, 02:45 PM)
If low light you should get prime instead of the 24-70 previously unsure.gif
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Or get a crop sensor body (e.g. D7000) and a 17-50mm f/2.8 Tammy. Still got spare change from his 24-70 fund, can get a prime also or a Flash Gun.

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Oct 23 2012, 03:15 PM)
Figures?
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Last time his siggy got put his hobby/motto, something about "shooting upskirt"
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Just kidding~ Cabutzzzzzz~~~

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Oct 23 2012, 03:28 PM)
thanks (?) for the jelly.
ya combo is nice, but then i not really perfer on 3rd party lens. (partially also i heavily rely on lens AF speed and accuracy tongue.gif)
oh wait AF accuracy is based on lens right? unsure.gif

ya i get the point but i want slowly slowly collecting moneh for nikon brand things tongue.gif  (meanwhile people around me tempting me to change my 2-3 years old gadget like ipad/ nokia phone to others, they are devils  mad.gif )
this year i didn't kiamsiap for food money, i think most of my money goes on food.
last year already hear my mom and dad nagging kaw kaw about my weight, cant slim down anymore, this year eat kaw kaw for food.
i think i post a lot of lousy food shot in my FB with phone
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Actually depends on what you use for, for general use, you won't really complain unless you're shooting sports or important events. For your usage, I don't think it'll be a problem for you.

Plus, lens don't drop price much, when you want to change to FX, you can sell your DX lens and only loose a little. By that time, maybe there is new version 24-70mm already who knows? Hehehe tongue.gif

But then it's up to you, as long as you're happy with your choice and purchases. Everyone have their own opinion, no right or wrong.

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 31 2012, 12:14 AM)
ok, "sort of" confirm nikon did something to the new batch of LCD. found a report indicating the J2 has more yellow/green cast to the LCD than the J1...

still VERY surprised that no one talked about this! literary spent hours just to find this out and so far the ONLY one i've came across which is chinese based, i found none on the english based sites! blink.gif still, i have a bad feeling that this is display lottery although Nikon actually voiced out and said green is better...

(somehow the J1 display below looked worse than in real life, mine shows less magenta in real life, color processing problem i'm supposed)
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From the picture, J2 display looks better and more accurate.
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QUOTE(MrAkay @ Oct 31 2012, 12:01 PM)
wahh. stalker isit? haha  tongue.gif
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Ironic when you see his avatar and he said that he got his photo.
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 7 2012, 03:13 PM)
D4! biggrin.gif

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Hoho now can send my D800 for inspection!
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Waaaa, D4.

When wanna let us molest your D4 and D800 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 7 2012, 04:07 PM)
Ok come come happy.gifv
Im trying to organize some tt session with some nikon shooting star members ill ask if you guys can come along too! The more the marrier!
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That will be a heavy poisoning session tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 7 2012, 06:26 PM)
Haha indeed! You can poison us with your wonderful pictures! biggrin.gif
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Haha, that should be CY! rclxms.gif


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