I've been frequently DIY installing electrical stuff (ceiling fan, lights, socket extension) in my house. All this while I've been using pvc casing, or electrical pipes to "conceal" the wires on the wall surface which, I think it looks ugly

I do not know how conceal the wires in the wall, and wish I can learn from those who has done it before - the Malaysian version - from the brand and type of cement/plaster, water-cement-sand mix ratio, type of pipes (pvc?), depth and tools of hacking, anything else to look out for?

I also like to know how to conceal those dangling wires from the ceiling if I don't have plaster ceiling and I don't intend to put up any ceiling lights. I don't want to cut them away in case I change my mind later

Any solution?

This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 26 2012, 10:47 PM

fastest way is hire an electrician...

to do the hacking and etc and you watch and observe

Hack the ceiling and tanam the wires there? I think quite difficult since its reinforce concrete slabs?

hacking and concealing the wall is a pretty messy job. I suggest leaving it to the electrician.

better refer to experience technician to solve it..if u DIY ur self wrongly then will be costly charge..

Maybe can put a round box just to hide the wire. Example a look a like smoke detector shape.

Good idea ozak

For normal brick + cement, u need to use an electronic cutter... Exactly the same like those mosaic ppl using and a driller. I dunno the exact terms for the machine but hopefully u guys can understand. Usually electrician will cut into the wall a size slight larger than the PVC piping. Then use the drill to hack away the cement. Put cement and lastly white cement used in plaster ceiling.

i think u mean a electric diamond tip cutter those that they use to cut tiles one...

please no that the amount of dust generated cutting the wall to fit in the pvc piping is amazing better be prepared if you wan to do it DIY style...

and the other thing is a hammer drill to /knock/ out the cut valley

then the rest is common sense fill it up back with cement with proper mixture let it harden apply plaster and sand it to smooth it out

Rotary drill and diamond cutter. Wet the wall before cutting will reduce the dust but stillhour lots of dust.

Just don't cut other things in the process.

This post has been edited by weikee: Aug 27 2012, 08:40 AM

i diy wiring for my new house, for conceal you need two things :
Rotary drill with chiselling mode + angle grinder with diamond cutter disc. dont need wall chaser, too exp.
it will be very-very dusty, if you have move in the house dont bother do conceal. i hire ppl to cut the wall for me

Whoa... I thought I only needed a chisel and a hammer to hack the wall. Didn't know have to buy 2 more expensive power tools

Rotary Hammer Drill



Angled Grinder


This post has been edited by creativ: Aug 27 2012, 09:25 PM

well u can use only hammer and chisel if you wan...

but i think u need 20x more longer to hack it then using power tools...

trust me... concrete isn't easy to hammer using a chisel... your arm will come off before u finish

unless its very very very very small project

This post has been edited by JinXXX: Aug 27 2012, 09:39 PM

Normally for beams n concrete wall they wun do conceal piping. Applies to exterior wall light most of the time. U need to draw 2 vertical line big enough to fit the PVC piping then use the cutter to cut along the line. After tat only drill out the rest. It's very very dusty.... Saw my electrician do it... N ur neighbor wun be too please with it lol

Power tools make it easier and speed up the process. You don't NEED them. Hammer and chisel is fine if you're willing to do the work or if you have the time. If you're planning on getting one tool, get the rotary hammer IMO

anyone know any contractor using wall chaser tool with dust collector?

such like this one.. i want to hire them but dont one the dust flying around.

really not easy for diy conceal wiring, need lots of tools and of cos, safety 1st

A basic like rotary hammer drill is a must if you are DIY person. It help you to speed up the work and the quality of the work. Nowaday power tools don't cost you much.

I conceal wires in the wall, DIY way.

This is the only tools needed + wall plaster(No need to bancuh-bancuh. Just paste the plaster to wall directly). It wasn't really the correct way. By right, after making a hole, i need to re-cement that part before putting the final wall plaster.





This post has been edited by zeese: Aug 29 2012, 02:05 PM

I don't think a rotary hammer is a basic tool for a DIY-er, because you don't use this everyday. For DIY-ers, you should be slowly adding to your tool collection (unless you're rich enough to buy everything at once), starting from the most commonly used tools such as power drills etc depending on the kind of DIY work you're planning to do.

Nothing wrong with getting one if the price is right, but I don't think this is an essential.

The first power tools that I brought when get a new house is the hammer drill. It is the only tools that I can hang anything. It is also a basic tool to conceal anything. If you don't want to get others power tools, a hammer drill is a must. I don't know what I can do with my new home whithout this tools.

Even now I seldom use it after settle everything, I still need it for home maintainance. Need to drill some hole for new items add in. Need it to replace some conceal item if spoil.

I did have some power tools to add in like orbiter sander, grinder, chain saw, wood rotary saw, bench drill, hand drill etc after some time. But many are in dust after getting lazy.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think a rotary hammer drill and a hammer drill are two different types of tools. A rotary hammer drill is not a basic DIY tool.

There are same tools. All rotary hammer drill have 3 functions (hack, drill, hack+drill). For normal light hacking jobs this tools is good enough. If for heavy duty demolition (rc/pillar hack) then you must need the demolition hammers. Try to get good branding tools, don't ever buy cheap 'japalang' china made wan, not lasting. I believe since you are DIY man, you save cost a lot already. So try spend some money on good tools, act like pro ma.....

Isn't a hammer drill one where you can choose whether to drill normally or to use the hammer function, whereas a rotary hammer drill is one where the rotary hammer is working at all times? As for the functions, hack, drill, hack+drill I think there are a few types that can do this. Usually a hammer drill is used in a DIY setting, whereas a rotary hammer drill is used on construction sites as it is a professional tool.

I agree with you...no point getting lousy tools. Going for quality usually pays off. Been using Bosch mostly, but there's a Black&Decker stud finder I'm looking for

hi guys..
i was experienced too for conceal wire in the wall,
if u r using the rite tools its not really hard to do it. as i know hammer drill is not to use to hack the wall. its just use for to make a hole. yes its has hack function.
u should using jack hammer.. trust me, ur works easy if using this, but before u hack the wall u must use this below thing. i dont know the name. and not that angled grinder..
but it is worth for u to buy this two tools? its aint cheap bro..

There are the same. But rotary hammer have 1 more function which is just a hammer. Rotary hammer drill have drill only, hammer drill and hammer. Rotary hammer provide more punch joule compare hammer drill.

I wish to get the rotary hammer if I knew it exist at that time. Make my DIY work much more faster.

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Added on August 29, 2012, 12:52 amNo need so hardcore lah. We are small time DIY only. Rotary hammer drill will do the job.

You can use hammer drill to hack too. Hammer drill the hole along the line that you want to hack. As many as possible. Than slant your tools and hack drill connect the hole along. Finish up with some chisel and hammer. It is a bit slow. But still can do the job.

This post has been edited by ozak: Aug 29 2012, 12:52 AM

writeprotect, angle grinder and rotary hammer with chiselling will do. i used bosch gws7100t with 105mm cutting disc, diamond cutter certain area to small hard to used esp wall and celling L, you cant cut. plus its cheaper also and versatile. Jack hammer or demolation hammer to heavy la for that size I used bosch 2-26dre for chiselling off the wall more than enough. good demolation hammer is more expensive and only got one usage.

alternatively can get Einhell mansory channel cutter/wall chaser Einhell BT-MA 1300 for rm500+- that is available in malaysia.

I think it'll take a longer time using a hammer drill. Maybe acceptable for DIY, but not so good for a professional. I think a rotary hammer drill would be a good choice, but of course it depends on the kind of DIY work you'll be doing. Different products for different needs


I think we'll agree to disagree here. Both are similar, yet different tools. They perform similar functions, but operate in a slightly different manner, so they cannot be the same tool. A hammer drill is not powered by a piston AFAIK.

u can call for wireman 0193584497... cheaper in town for wiring

i dont say that rotary hammer cant do the job.. but its really pain ur body, if u are using jack hammer it will save ur time and energy.. yes it not worth for DIY. coz maybe use it for one time only and keep in store...

but if u are only make 1 line to conceal the cable its ok la.. but if for one home... sure patah tangan.. hehe..

AAUGHH........

what's his name?

it advisable to use a pvc pipe inside with wire. reason why is that easy for u to tarik the new wire if u need to change. For the plastering part, u need to buy the plaster filler or quick dry cement. After u have apply the filler and it had dried up, sand it down with sand paper. After that, paint with undercoat and then wahlah... siap.

If got junction is still not easy to pull new wires

my bro in law is an electrician and sometimes i saw him do it. For replacing the new wire, on the old wire, he tied a dawai with new wire. Tarik it replacing it with new wire in the other end.

Off topic abit, if i want to do plaster ceiling just to conceal the wiring, but not intending to install downlight, what is the minimum depth? 50mm?

any recommendation who to hire to do a professional job making longkang for concealed wiring? someone who has all the right tools for the job

silly question - will doing so weaken the concrete ceiling structurally?


This post has been edited by idoblu: Nov 20 2013, 08:23 AM

I am interested in that too. If got, please PM me!

Tumpang tered.

Anyone know what is the standard charge for 10ft wall hacking and cable laying for socket and fan extension?

Thanks

Any good Stud Finder to recommend?