Forumer you are complaining against: Duckie

Item being sold/bought: ipod nano 16gb Silver 5th Generation

Original thread link: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2469058&hl=

Date of transaction: 20/08/2012

Details of the complaint :

Ok here is the story, this duckie guy is selling his ipod nano 16gb silver 5th generation which he claim is like new condition and he is selling w/o headset and cable, after bargaining the price, i meet him at Taipan USJ for COD on 20/8/2012 around 9.30pm. When he pass me the ipod to me the ipod was in low battery, i tested it, sound and button are all ok.

After i get back home, i start charging the ipod nano, after charging i start to play around with the ipod and i found out the battery drain in few mins, each menu i go in the battery drop a little bit until it goes empty.

I sms and called up him this morning (21st Aug 2012) and he told me that nothing he can do as he say it was okay before this and he said i already tested yesterday, he asked me to call up Apple myself and he does want to pick up my call and sms anymore. I think to be fair with me, how could i possible testing the battery of the ipod when it is already low batt when he pass to me.

This post has been edited by koaybl: Aug 21 2012, 05:10 PM

full charge and can only last for few minuites ? Yet he still can claim the product is new, only used once when purchased ? this is con case already wor...
should beware when dealing with him....
So the product still within warranty a ? maybe no hmmm ... he should come up here and explain tho.

Yes, the warranty is over and he still ask me to refer to Apple myself, and most properly will cost me a few hundred ringgit. And he close all his thread already.....

This post has been edited by koaybl: Aug 22 2012, 04:50 PM

I had enough of your threats.

I have told you that the ipod is working FINE WHEN IT WAS WITH ME. The ipod is barely used when with me and i have already assured that the ipod is left aside and decided to get rid of it. Therefore i decided to sell it off.

Why would i charge the ipod when i dont use it at all? (to explain why it was low in battery when i COD with you)

Warranty is over, DUH. ipod is so old and left aside. ( MENTIONED IN MY THREAD, i never use the ipod after purchase because i have other apple products, LEFT ON MY TABLE FOR FEW MONTHS, DECIDED TO GET RID OF IT)

Thread stated clearly that this ipod has no warranty and i DIDNT state that i would provide a refund if anything happens to the ipod or even provide personal warranty.

During COD, you've checked and said "ok,this is fine." ( AGREED,CHECKED,CONFIRMED & PAID MONEY)

Next morning, sms-ed me and said that the battery has issues. charged full then drained in a few minutes.

How would i know what charger you used? Different voltage of charger? Recon or original charger? What you did with the ipod when you took it home after? It is not fair to just refund the ipod when the problem didn't occur at my side. Or how would i know you didnt do anything with the ipod?

Once you refund that faulty ipod, what am i going to do with it after you spoiled it? Am i going to bear your mistakes?

Besides, you said i closed all my threads, that is because you've sabotaged my threads, how can i sell my stuff anymore? see the logic?
I don't response to your calls/sms because i have already explained to you and i told you that i cant help you. What else would you like to hear? I've said and apologized that there is nothing i can do because the fault is not with me.

Lastly, do you think by obtaining my details or address you can threaten me like that? What are you trying to imply here? You're a gangster trying to find me at my home?

Stop trying to harass me.

i lolz while looking at this reply, So obvious ts was trying sell a problematic item here ?
Few things to take note in which it is really doubtful :

- left it on table for MONTHS yet the batt. has not yet fully drained. Cool
- who on earth will be using a different voltage of charge to charge gadgets especially on i-products ? made in china's charger ?
- not responding to ts calls def. tells everyone something is not right here.

What a shame .... please dont ruin the LYF reputation here by selling such "problematic" item... SHOULD have stated earlier if you aware of the issue AND NOT BY saying, I DONT KNOW THERE WAS ISSUE WITH IT.. MAYBE YOU ARE THE ONE SPOILED IT AND LOOKING FOR A FREE REFUND ... stoopid reason to me.....
By the way koaybl, how much you boiught this item for ? Just beware of such seller in future
Do report this, if seller still does not co-operative tho.
In short, it looks like someone is trying to "lepas tangan" here hmm...

duckie have his right and wrongs.
duckie did not charge his ipod fully before he deals, so that ts can "test" "kaw kaw" when its fully charged.
Koaybl did tested it before he pays him right. Everything's fine and he should tested quite awhile I assume, takkan press a few buttons and say its good to go?
Right after that day, ts said he contacted him that the the batt worn out very fast, saying that each menu he goes the battery drop a lilttle, then treated it as faulty and try to get a refund.
Now, does it make any sense that duckie should be responsible for that? Its unfair to duckie also he said its working fine with him.

The question is;
1) Did'nt ts already tried it on the spot? Since he's saying the battery goes of in few minutes after going each menu, shouldnt it just died on the spot, but it didn't? ( Maybe ts dint even really try therefore he don't care as long as it can be turned ON and good to go / or he tried less than a minute)
2) What did ts do with the ipod after he brings back? Who knows? (Okay, I assume he did nothing with it)
3) iPod charger - [[FirezZ:who on earth will be using a different voltage of charge to charge gadgets especially on i-products ? made in china's charger ?]] What are you saying dude? You mean on this earth everyone knows what's the voltage of a charger? and you indirectly saying no one uses china charger? Do you know where they assemble apple products or not? youdontsay.jpg OR you really don't. its okay... LOL! duckie was right, ts might be using "fake" charger / faulty ones that does not match the ipod voltage, causing the ipod to spoil
4) I know you rage TS, but know this, ITS NOT COOL TO DIG UP PERSONAL INFORMATION OF OTHERS AND THREATEN THEM!

Anyhor, i think 5th generation cost less than 200 lor, need to make a big fuss bout it meh? call gangster come some more wahlao. Gangster ask what happen your face want to throw where oh.. and duckie not selling his 1st item in LYN.. for this 200rm he need cheat away to buy himself a boat ah?

Now it all make sense why duckie does not sell his ipod with charger and headset, so he can blame on people to use 3rd party over voltage charger, 1st of all i charge it with my MacBook Pro and i dont think charging through computer will be over voltage and as i say since the battery is very low, i just make sure, it can be on,can play song, sound is ok, and buttons are okay.

(Angelodeath) --> I BAUGHT IT RM270 FROM HIM AS HE CLAIM IS VERY NEW !!!! , and i like the GANGSTER thing said by Duckie.
Anyway i bought thousands ringgit things over in LYN forum and i can show all the transaction list out if you want and for RM270 i do not need to cheat away to buy myself a boat too

being a seller and buyer for quite some time here in LYF ... somehow it just strikes in my mind... Ts had and has initial intention of getting the "item" being sold out asap due to the physical condition especially when we are talking / targeting on the batt. itself.

1) i think koatbl said he / she tested during the COD ? and upon bring it back home and fully charge 'em, the batt just lasted for few minutes.. there goes, during COD... how long @koaybl been tested there ? few minuntes or more than that ? If it is few, that explains why... otherwise....

2) Recon or original charger ?as being mentioned by duckie, errr.. was he mentioning OEM product ? or any imitation charger ? Duh ... again.. who else dont know China is the main and the largest provider / manufacturer for i product ? We read news....

3) digging up duckie's information might not sound cool to me too ok .. at least we have something similar . Selling spoil product, you cant go and make a police report unless if you are paying for something but the seller is missing, then yes... So it is still advisable to settle it up here "Amicably"

Having gangster to "look" for duckie might not sounds LEGAL tho. And it cost more than the price being sold to koabl too .. (*duit kopi)
I tried to check on duckie sales thread hmmm ... well, with such sales / reputation, i have nothing much to comment.. There is still possibility of running away anytime and recreating new id again. So duckie, dont go buy boat.. it cost not cheap tooo ..

*cheers, no heart feelings, i only condemn people with "bad intention" of getting rid of their things and make people suffers +_+
I agree.. sometimes it is not about money..... Being cheated in "such way", who else will be happy with it ? I am not, to be honest.....

<How would i know what charger you used? Different voltage of charger? Recon or original charger? What you did with the ipod when you took it home after? It is not fair to just refund the ipod when the problem didn't occur at my side. Or how would i know you didnt do anything with the ipod? >

wau, the most un-responsible sentence i have ever seen

A long post. But 1 simple question since you're blaming the buyer. How can you proof that the ipod was working 100% before you sold it off? You gave it to him while the battery was low. If it was me, whenever I am going to sell a device, i will charge it up. Who knows if the buyer is going to take his time testing the device. Unless you already had the intention, your best bet is to prove me wrong, and the buyer of course. I doubt you could do that. Don't throw your allegations at the buyer.

Hello FirezZ,

To answer your questions,

- left it on table for MONTHS yet the batt. has not yet fully drained. Cool
Of course before i COD the item, i will charge the ipod for a awhile so that the buyer could test all he wants before confirming and agree-ing upon purchase so that i can relieve myself of the responsibility that the buyer have no chance to test the item due to no battery.

- who on earth will be using a different voltage of charge to charge gadgets especially on i-products ? made in china's charger ?
Do you know how much does an original Apple charger cost in Macstores? and how much does those made in china chargers are sold in the mall?
There is a big difference in quality therefore it might affect on your apple product upon using fake products. I read news too. However,i dont know what charger the buyer uses.

- not responding to ts calls def. tells everyone something is not right here.
I have explained and told the buyer about the situation which is what i've posted above. and there is nothing i can do,and i even apologized for that.

-i think koatbl said he / she tested during the COD ? and upon bring it back home and fully charge 'em, the batt just lasted for few minutes.. there goes, during COD... how long @koaybl been tested there ? few minuntes or more than that ? If it is few, that explains why... otherwise....
Please do not regret for not testing the ipod thoroughly upon purchasing. It is the buyer's responsibility to check it and my responsibility to assure the ipod is well working which i am sure of.

-digging up duckie's information might not sound cool to me too ok .. at least we have something similar . Selling spoil product, you cant go and make a police report unless if you are paying for something but the seller is missing, then yes... So it is still advisable to settle it up here "Amicably"
INDEED. You dont try to act gangster and dig up someone else's personal information and threaten them.

- regarding my reputation.
The buyer has totally ruined my reputation which i have to forcefully close down all my threads because i dont see how can i do any of my sales here further because he has sabotaged my threads. Therefore, i have to close all my other threads to prevent further problems.



Now to koaybl,


Now it all make sense why duckie does not sell his ipod with charger and headset, so he can blame on people to use 3rd party over voltage charger, 1st of all i charge it with my MacBook Pro and i dont think charging through computer will be over voltage and as i say since the battery is very low, i just make sure, it can be on,can play song, sound is ok, and buttons are okay.

Please, ipod charger and headset are not cheap in macstores as well, that is why i dont intend to let them go together with the ipod, which we've agreed and ive Mentioned in my thread that i will not provide. Like i said, i have other apple products, therefore i still need to use the headset and chargers for my personal usage.

(Angelodeath) --> I BAUGHT IT RM270 FROM HIM AS HE CLAIM IS VERY NEW !!!! , and i like the GANGSTER thing said by Duckie.
Anyway i bought thousands ringgit things over in LYN forum and i can show all the transaction list out if you want and for RM270 i do not need to cheat away to buy myself a boat too

Its cool that you've bought thousands of ringgits things over in LYN Forum,but we dont need you to list them out. The ipod which i CLAIMED IS REALLY LIKE VERY NEW, covered with a Capdase cover and even screen protected, try removing all of that, it will look brand new. ( I stand by this aspect which i did not lie or fake. )

And lastly, You do not simply send a text message to someone saying and i quote, "I got ur details already... i dont hope i need to find u myself at _________"
To me, this IS a Threat. I dont know what this means to you. If you are trying to have any bad intentions, i hope you think wisely before doing anything.


I hope this explains everything i have to say and please do not harass me further.

A good seller will always give a week refund or at least 70% refund.
This is what ensure good reputation and other people will have more confident in buying your stuff.
Obviously duckie just wanted to get rid of his stuff and is not keen on becoming a good seller.

The bottom line is that the buyer is essentially not getting what he is paying for, its like he is buying a metal and plastic with some buttons.
This is daylight robbery.
Well, at least the seller are better than the people selling portable hard disk with rock inside.

This thread is like Deja vu for me again,because of that 'infamous' recent Iphone dispute thread here. Exactly the same problem; no personal warranty from the seller, blaming each other and assuming this and that which leads to an 'endless circle' to solve the problem.

From my POV, seller just trying to get rid of his ipod. He's smart that he knew he didnt offer any personal warranty and he can get away from it. Lesson to learn here, make sure u get personal warranty even if its short(3 days) at least u get to test back at home.'

AND,How can u(seller) say its working fine with u if u didnt test it before selling?

P/S: I dont see why buyer needed to go through so much hassle just after buying the item for one day.

This post has been edited by mrkenn: Aug 23 2012, 04:23 AM

if seller said the item is working fine, FULL refund then. Whats the problem? Its obvious what he is trying to do here.

see... first impression as well as common sense.. something is really not right here tho.
it seems there was really intention for this cod and offering answer "and there is nothing i can do,and i even apologized for that[COLOR=red]" is def. not a cool way to run away.

@koaybl... i guess duckie has no intention to settle up the case.. maybe just update this case to moderators see what and how they look into the case tho.
Oh ya... how did you ask duckie to settle up the issue ?

full refund ? partial refund ? request to fix the item ? cover up the fixture cost ? partial cover up the fixture cost ?

@ duckie.. ur reputation ? ... is there any ? by selling one or 2 gadgets and clothes.. doesnt mean your reputation is good..
long term run : people will care of reputation ..

last time i did buy usb charger, i buy 2 unit.. item is brand new.. 1 is white, another 1 is black.. i tested both item which the black one suddenly dismantle it self once I put inside the car charger port.. I refer to seller about this matter, he response fast n even send it another one n i need to pay for postage cost only..

so seller should be responsible with the item, the buyer will try as best as they can to use the item.. if not why the buyer buy the item right? for sure he/she want to use it..

wow.. fantastic babe ... ts already left since 08th Oct.... this is very obv now he has something to hide lolz.... shall i spot him ... will update you all (inc koaybl) his new nick here lolz....

+1 I fully agree with you guys! I hate this kind of seller.
LYN should have a blacklist for all the ffk/scammer/conman/shit sellers!!!
Who agree with me?


This post has been edited by alphadroid: Aug 28 2013, 05:10 PM

Very obvious!!!

This post has been edited by alphadroid: Aug 28 2013, 05:07 PM