QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2012, 02:57 AM)
Carrick isnt doing it well, if he did anywhere near the level of keane we wouldnt be leaking like a tap. Last ditch tackles when the def's go missing, well carrick's missing too. I think scott parker is great he does the simple passes and he defends with his heart. U know carrick is not world class, he has never been a defensive midfielder. He's a central midfielder so for a central midfielder he needs to be more creative but he isn't, so he got converted to a more defensive role and for all the slack fletcher's been given he's far better than carrick is. Even though fletcher isn't even 1/2 as good as keane. Among all the midfielders who joined around carrick's time, Hargreaves would have been the best DM replacement. It's such a shame really that he had to have so many injuries with a proper hargreaves we wouldn't be having this issue now. And you look at the current situation with the EPL being so competitive you're defending carrick like berba who has been just not good enough to wear the united shirt. Carrick is decent but i would rate him with an o'shea role at best, we need a better player playing regularly and he can rotate.
I'm however impressed with cleverly, I really hopes he develop further into the star potential he can be. That said we're still lacking an anchorman all of the ones who developed recently, fletcher/hargreaves have had problems with injuries. U want pound for pound players that can compete with your rivals, busquets, Khedira, bastien, yaya toure, moutinho.
Btw moutinho can play both attacking/defensive midfielder in the same mould as keane. And yes portugese league just like how hazard and kagawa were playing in german and french leagues respectively and are now terrorizing defences in the epl. Not to forget how ronaldo came from sporting lisbon before joining us and becoming a superstar.
Added on August 29, 2012, 3:24 amU cant read your own statistics? It's as square as your opinions are. Compare carrick vs yaya, compare carrick vs scott (defensively scott is better, but carrick edges out in possession a little more assist) In attacking Song beats him, so he's neither here nor there, above average and good some areas but not strong/excellent like yaya and not stronger offensively like song or stronger defensively like parker. Also possesion won in def 3rd especially is far more important than a stat like 50-50's, it's robbing the opponents of a goal scoring ability. If you dont risk balls for assist of course you will have a high possession rate, passing sideways and to defenders.
Read your own chart damnit. Stats are there and u're blindly defending. It's not a carrick bashing it's facts, you would want a yaya toure in the team because he adds that much more dimension like how we should be having among the best midfielders in their role to compete not only in england but in the cpl. If you set your standards low you might as well sign azman adnan, wth.
You from the beginning(years ago) have this stuck in your head:
DM=Hardman/tackles flying everywhere types.
The fact that you like Fletcher and Hargreaves says as much. All action=Make Super DMs.
So because Carrick is not that, he's supposed to be this guy who make these successful hollywood passes/through balls and be the one that is creative? Who has been the one protecting the back four all these while? Scholes?
Yaya is so good, he has Barry to protect him. Moutinho would need the same sort of protection.
WAKE THE HELL UP. Carrick-Scholes 06/07 supplemented by the likes of Fletcher, O'Shea, Giggs
07/08 we added Hargreaves and Ando
08/09 until now, we lose Hargreaves and only have Carrick, Fletcher(until last two seasons), Scholes(short retirement aside), O'Shea(left last season), Giggs, Ando.. and added Cleverley last year
It's been Carrick who sits in front of the back four. And that has gotten us to 3 CL finals, and won the league countless times in an era where Roman grew money out of trees under London. Because of us, Roman kick Mourinho out of the country. *(exaggerate a bit here, but you get the point)
Hargreaves, defensively was very good, but as a midfielder, he was the weakest link. I remembered Scholes was rendered useless against a midtable/bottom side because Hargreaves was his partner. Possession football, he was very weak at it. Although tell him to drive forward, from wide areas, he was superb. His best games came from there. His performance in the middle left a lot to be desired..although he was useful in shutting teams off, but provided nothing else and left his partner with too much to do.
True those come from these lower rated leagues(compared to EPL/La Liga), but they didn't wait until they're mid 20's to make the move. If he's so good, someone would already make a move long ago on him. Instead he made a 11m Euros sidestep move to Porto from Sporting. Spurs seems to be interested tho..like with VDV, maybe that's their level. Pointless really when discussing someone like Moutinho as replacement for Carrick. We would still need someone to protect the back four, and it certainly won't come from Moutinho, Scholes, Cleverley, Giggs or Ando.
You're barking at the wrong tree.
Aug 20 2012, 12:53 PM
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