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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal - 2nd defeat!

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post Aug 24 2012, 09:27 PM

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A week from today.
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post Aug 25 2012, 05:46 PM

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Finally its over. Looking forward to see him in action after so much drama.

Don't really care about the no option to buy clause. Let's just do our best to break into top 4 and then worry about any possible extension.


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post Aug 25 2012, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(eymc @ Aug 25 2012, 06:26 PM)
so now without CL also can get sahin...
I dont see why we cannot get good player without CL!!

period!!
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Ugh its a loan deal and made possible only because Real is looking to loan the player out for game time. Otherwise we would not even gotten sniff of him.
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post Aug 26 2012, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(redkop63 @ Aug 26 2012, 12:26 AM)
The club has the final say where the player should go as in Sahin's case and ther're plenty of suitors out there not only manure.
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That's not always the case. For Sahin, he may want to return to Real so it's in his best interest to listen to his club. RVP wanted out, either he walk away as bosman next season or Arsenal make a deal with a club of his choice.
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post Aug 27 2012, 01:04 AM

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Considering Lucas was out injured early, 2 new signings not even on the bench, Johnson played mostly on the left and key CB suspended, we did well to pull ahead twice.

Even then most of the players were not at their 100%. The only player that was a class above the rest was Allen. So composed on the ball that he doesn't look like a new signing at all. Really impressed with him.

We really gifted away 2 goals. It's the mental stuff that we need to iron out. Once we start gaining mental resilience, we'll see more consistent performance.
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:21 AM

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Sterling was brilliant. Unreal to see a 17 year old having the balls to go up against the likes of the Toures. Pound for pound, he was clearly outmuscled but it's amazing how he kept coming back for more. Was just lively and brave, the complete the opposite of Downing. Last time i saw players that young and edgy were Gerrard and Owen.

Fingers crossed.
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post Aug 28 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Aug 28 2012, 01:32 PM)
now baru you realised?yes..gerrard has this habit.but maybe because of his statue, supporter seems very 'shy' to criticise him..when he lose the ball or misplaced pass, he sometimes don't chase back/he will gave those kind of face expression/...remember when versus WBA?their goal started from that that kill the game...
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Yep it irritates the hell out of me too. Against WBA, he lost the ball to a defender and was just moaning and sulking when the ball was still just few feet away from him. He didn't even put the defender on pressure, no effort to get it back. He was still pretty good tho but age has caught up with him, you see strolling around quite often these days. If Lucas wasn't injured it may be a good idea to experiment playing Allen in the Gerrard role.
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post Aug 28 2012, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Aug 28 2012, 02:05 PM)
I guess he is also just frustrated. After all, he did kind of carry Liverpool on his shoulders for many many years and now that he is older and not able to run as much he just plays it smart and instead of running so much risking injury, he just try to position himself so that when they do win the ball back he would be in a good position to launch an attack.
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I hope you're right that he chooses to play it smart due to positioning. But he looks knackered in games tho. He shouldn't play week in week out. I know he's important player but i rather see him at 100% in every other games instead of being at 60% - 70% in every game.
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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Aug 28 2012, 02:20 PM)
Agreed but I think right now Rodgers would prefer him to play every week simply because of the morale. He does give a real morale boost whenever he plays and for a squad still finding its bearings, they really need someone who can push them on no matter the situation and we all know Gerrard has that in him to suddenly transform the team spirit with 1 good play. World class players can still be match winners even if they play at 70% simply because they are born champions. Haha...
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But what if you can get someone like Allen or even Shelvey (tho i don't think he's quite ready to carry the mantle) playing at 100% in the Gerrard role ? Would you still play a 70% Gerrard ? I hope BR is true to his words when he says he chooses his players based on their performance and not their stature.
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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Aug 28 2012, 02:42 PM)
Hahaha... Well, it depends on how he chooses to play I guess. Cause right now, I don't really know how will play with Gerrard, Sahin, Allen and Shelvey. Obviously with Lucas injured, Sahin would be the natural replacement but he's not quite the same mould. While he offers good passing and vision, I don't think he is as good as Lucas in breaking up plays which is also key to Rodgers' philosophy. Plenty of time, guess he could try and experiment putting Allen in a more advanced role and see if he does it well enough. Either way, I'm really excited with the new style.
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Agreed, I guess time will tell. Plenty of options for us to try out and that's the beauty of stocking up the midfield. Such a shame to loose Lucas to another injury, all that work in pre season goes down the drain.
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post Aug 28 2012, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(keith.hmc @ Aug 28 2012, 03:00 PM)
Yea. But maybe it's a blessing in disguise in the sense that Sahin will most probably be pushed into the starting eleven to cover Lucas and he might just add a new dimension to the team's play. Can't wait for the Arsenal game. I think it would be a fairly open match with both teams going at each other. Both teams need to pick up their first win and what better way to do so than to win against Arsenal!
It's going to be a good game i reckon too. Arsenal have had 2 hard games against teams that parked the bus. We will not and therefore space will open up for them but bar Lucas absence, i reckon our team will look much more balance this time around. Hopefully Enrique is back to full match fitness and we'll have Johnson back in RB. Agger will be back and hopefully Skrtel form should too. The 2 new signings Assaidi and Sahin should be ready by then. Really excited about this match.
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post Aug 28 2012, 03:43 PM

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Borini is only 21 years old. The amount of passion, hardwork and movement he has at the moment eclipse the likes of Pongolle, Babel and Ngog. He's closer resembling Kuyt with a lot of room for improvement. I like him.
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Have not watched much of Sturridge. Is he miles better than Babel ?
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Aug 28 2012, 04:23 PM)
Sturridge? Extremely overrated. Lacks goals, lacks teamwork, lacks work rate, lacks game time and paid in the region of 60k.
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Sounds like Babel to me. No thanx lol. Reckon Dempsey is exactly what we need now, he's the opposite of what you just described of Sturridge. Switch him out for better ones down the road once we've improved our league positioning.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 28 2012, 07:49 PM)
if you been watching, you can tell lucas is trying hard to change his game to be more attacking minded to suit BR's style...but somehow doesnt look right tongue.gif
then again, as BR says, lucas is quite prolific from 7 yards out with no goalkeeper...so maybe he'll keep no.21 as a cup player?

and with BR's golden boy Allen around, and now Sahin about to make his debut...and of cos gerrard still around...looks like there'll be no space for no.21 in the first 11.
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No one bar Allen, seem to have mastered the BR style .. and that's mostly down to Allen's familiarity from playing for Swansea. Even then, have we forgotten how tidy and tenacious Lucas was last season ? He's exactly the kind of players that suits BR style. He just need to regain fitness and form from last season which will be a real challenge for him.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 28 2012, 11:20 PM)
imo, lucas is the only one that doesnt fit BR's style, hes trying to fit but he just looks uncomfortable.
apart from Allen...Enrique, Johnson, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez all fit right in...and that is also why BR brought in Borini, Assaidi and of cos Sahin.
add in Skrtel and Reina...and there is your first 11.
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He hasn't look comfortable because he was still lacking full match fitness. Most of those players you mentioned had been playing competitiveness matches all through out last season and also took part in Euro. Allen was part of Team GB.

Fitness aside, i think it's common knowledge that Lucas is very tidy when it comes to possession. His pass completion is among the highest in the team if not the league. It's inconceivable that he's not a BR kind of player. If he's a Rafa kind of player, he's very much BR kind of player as well.
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post Aug 29 2012, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 29 2012, 12:09 AM)
if he was lacking full match fitness, he wouldnt have started...
pass completion is one thing, useful passes is another.
its fair to say BR's golden boy does far more useful passes tongue.gif
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Like how Brendan played Cole when he was still lacking fitness ? or how about when Lucas actually pulled his muscle thigh during warm up prior the City match and was still selected to start the game ? I'm really curious why the change of opinion about Lucas now. He has been the most consistent performer for us the past few turbulent seasons. It's undisputed. It's not fair to say Allen makes more 'useful' pass at all. They're different kind of players, performing different tasks for the team. And if i remember correctly, Lucas stats from last season would argue that he did more forward pass than Allen did.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 29 2012, 08:50 AM)
what change of opinion? i have never been a fan of no.21 - in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
here's something someone did, comparing last yr's WBA game with the recent excellent 0-3 performance.
you can see how last yr lucas attemped more forward passes, but only for them to be intercepted which are the ones in red.
now under BR hes playing slightly further up front, moving slightly out of his comfort zone and he spraying passes sideways more again.
time will tell, but if no.21 still looks uncomfortable playing higher up...then i dont see how he'll be starting more games once he returns.
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but again, to pass completion.
skrtel had 84% pass completion rate, but were any of them really useful? tongue.gif
thats cos we then had both adam and spearing running the midfield.
now we got the golden boy and sahin, also jonjo is slowly coming of age.

plus BR, like rafa, likes to employ 2 holding sweeping midfielders.
and i dont think anyone would just like to draw games...
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Everyone has been moved away from their comfort zone and many have not been at their very best. Downing playing down the right, Johnson moving to the left, Skrtel playing as left CB, Borini playing down the flanks instead upfront, Kelly struggling with the high defensive line. You can't possible judge players based on only one game. There's a new system to adapt, new teammates to gel with. If we start selling players based on one game only, we won't have a full squad to compete with.

For as long as he can gain back his form and fitness, i'm confident that Lucas will come back stronger than ever.
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If Walcott is available for 15mil would you go for it ?

The thought of having the front 3 of Sterling - Suarez - Walcott looks promising. Frightening pace down the flanks but i'm not sure if its potent enough for us to score goals.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Aug 29 2012, 01:47 PM)
His burst of pace is terrifying indeed but do we need a scorer or a winger? Are we not scoring goals because we aren't creating enough quality chances or are we just not taking them? Is Walcott's end product good enough? Can he put in a good cross/pass? Will he be anti-possession football if he tends to run with the ball a lot instead of passing it? Will he be prolific for us?

I thought he only has 1 year left on his contract so wait 1 year for free transfer?
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All good points. But do we really need another forward to cross the ball ? We don't really have towering forwards but in any case we already have Johnson, Enrique and Sterling to cross. Gerrard can cross too if he drifts out wide. I just think maybe we need something a bit different. Someone with pace to run through the channels and make simple cute pass to either Suarez or Borini for easy tap ins. I admit tho he's a bit of a mixed bag, but i just can't forget that run he made against us in Champions League few seasons ago - cut through us like butter. Only 23, maybe BR can coach him better.

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