From darklight79 on Facebook: "First off, I'm not the ones who mentioned guns in the first place. And then you make a laughing stock of yourself on my wall by acting childish and talking about fights and all till everyone is asking who's this clown. You're married already, with kids, you need to grow up. Focus on teaching those twins of yours to eat brussel sprouts and leave the manliness to others."

No, darklight...you started with the guns (check back). You said I'm a laughing stock, but yet banned me on Facebook and then send the above private message to me not allowing me to reply. You're behaving just like Utusan Malaysia. Seriously, I don't care to make any impression with your group of friends who call people "retards" and whom you tagged for support here in this Forum. But I'm sure you know how you look like in the eyes of your other friends who viewed those posts, and you banned me cos you couldn't take it. Nice of you to show your manliness that way!

You used to be a nice guy in high school, darklight and I've had fun times with you. Too bad you've changed. Take your own advice, grow up and stop calling people "retards" for going veg and sharing the benefits of it. No one is forcing you to do it.

happy4ever, I'm sorry but I don't know how to use the quote thing, but in reply to your question, I am a good friend of his cousin which is how I met darklight.

If you happen to be Sherman/Fawkes (I dont really bother which), I don't fancy being friends with someone who calls other retards just cos they have a difference of opinion.

Aren't you guys going to apologize to yan99033 for calling him a "retard" on Facebook based on the 3 points he mentioned? After all, I have confirmed his 3 points with references. You may have a different opinion but those 3 points with my reference are still valid, like it or not and shows that he is definitely not a retard. You got to admit, you didn't do your research before calling him a retard. Unless you think the United Nations, Oprah, Michael Pollan...etc are all retards too...

With all those muscles, are you man enough to apologize? C'mon, show your manliness!

By the way, you wrote this:
"tell me, why dont carnivores die from cancer?"

Can you verify that carnivores don't die from cancer? Show me if this is true.

And hey, did you know lions are "semi-vegetarians"? And before you laugh and reply so quickly, I would say you better do your research before you answer...

Let's see who's the retard...

Oh okay, now I know how the quote thing works...

That's funny. I don't see why I need to verify something I didn't say, claim or imply. But then, you are implying that they don't die of cancer. So again, I ask, are you able to verify this? If you're not, then you're just posting based on assumptions and as yan99033 said, you don't do your research before posting.

"lions being semi vege is irrelevant."

A lot of what you wrote in reply to yan99033 is irrelevant, but yet you wrote it anyway. So, you don't disagree with me that lions are "semi-vegs"?

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Bee,

"unless you are off course...havent been experienced in those field before, reading it all on the net."

You mean you don't read for knowledge? There are lots of things I know and would like to know, some which I experienced myself, some through other's experiences and some through reading. Unfortunately, due to lack of time having only 24 hours, 7 days a week, I can't be experiencing everything but that doesn't mean I'm wrong just cos I don't have that experience. But if you're the type who claims to know only what you have experienced, then I guess you don't know a lot. And in case you didn't know (sorry, but you suddenly seem stupid to me), two different people doing the same thing may experience different results. You know that, right? After all, you cannot be two different person, since you're only you.

May i remind you that those 4 elements can and have been done, proven time and again by many vegetarians and vegans all over the world (including 2 personal friends of mine who are body builders). So, for you to say that they don't work isn't valid. Sure, it may not work for everyone, and it may not work for you but again, yan isn't forcing it on anyone. He's merely suggesting that people could try it as he himself has experienced benefits from it and would like to share it. I don't see how that can justify calling him a retard. In fact, for you to criticize yan's research when you yourself gives statements like "vegetation requires land AND it depletes the fertility of the land over each reaping" and implied that you get BEAUTIFUL leaf because of pesticides, shows the level of research you have done yourself. Do the bloody math, raising animals for human consumption require way more land than vegetation for human consumption and no, pesticides do not help you get beautiful leaves...it just keeps the pests away and sometimes, they even fail in that too. Makes you wonder who really are the retards here.

What really disgusts me, and not seen by yan or the readers here is that you guys came in not for a healthy debate/discussion but more as bullies, with darklight79 tagging you guys on Facebook for support here (very manly indeed), calling yan a retard and the two of you making stupid points or asking stupid sex questions.

In fact, in yan's first posts, he even welcome a discussion of pros and cons, and when he said, "hehe, but if you are looking for serious gain, it can be done with vegan diet too.", he didn't say it can only be done with a vegan diet but you guys came into this thread as if your mummy took away all the meat from your dinner table.

Disgusting...

This post has been edited by littlelucky: Aug 16 2012, 01:16 PM

Hi mikehuan, thanks for the reminder. I'm also aware the the b&b section falls under the category of fitness and health too, and which health is one of the points discussed as well.

There are vegetarians/vegans who have excelled in their field. Here are a few:

Fauja Singh
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/16/f..._n_1014670.html

Patrik Baboumian
http://www.armenian-viking.com/
http://mfablog.org/2011/08/vegetarian-crow...ongest-man.html

There's more, but these are the ones on my mind now. In fact, one of the two popular tennis player sisters (I can't recall their names now), just recently went veg.

With or without supplements, will depend on that individual and his belief/research. A body builder friend of mine (not vegetarian/vegan, he eats meat) had cancer and he told me his doctor blamed it on his supplements.

This post has been edited by littlelucky: Aug 16 2012, 02:18 PM

Bee, let me make my stand perfectly clear, which I already did so on FB but somehow, it isn't getting into your heads.

I do not care if you become a meat eater/vegan and it's your choice to eat what you want to eat. Clear enough?

My point is, in this thread, yan posted about applying a vegan diet for body building and environment and he's offering here a new alternative information. I have no qualms about anyone eating meat or vegan. Neither is a wrong approach as it is your choice. But instantly dismissing an alternative choice and especially calling a person retard for the valid points that he posted is uncalled for.

It was a pure display of close mindedness to yan's offering. Subsequently, I don't see any constructive questions or a thirst for information by politely asking for more information on this path, but instead I see idiotic sex questions to poke fun at his choice.

That is my stand.

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You're not keeping up the news about farming. Go visit our beautiful Malaysian jungle and you can see strong and beautiful vegetations that don't need any chemical helping. A plant grown on a eco balance habitat has natural insect repellents and the plant itself is healthy and leafy. If you see insect and worm surrounding it mean the plant is dying and these insects are here to clean up to make way for healthier plants.

A true organic farming can follow this path as well.

http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/fst30years

Our vegetables are laced with pesticide and grown with artificial fertilizers, yes, and so are the meats, they are laced with antibiotics, unnatural growth hormones, and hormones that increase breasts size to produce more milk (notice the modern Americans have monster breast size?) and worst, they are fed with GMO plants. Which is of the lesser evil? I'll let you do your own research on that.

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mikehuang, first off, I dont see a point in this question as I am not against any meat eaters or vegan, and whether they are using supplements or not.

But the answer is yes, you can, there are plenty of protein in plants. Let's not forget that many of the largest and strongest land animals are plant eaters? Elephants, rhinos, hippos, horse...etc.

Not only they are strong, they have better endurance and stamina too compare to carnivores, which many are also strong but their energy are all in short burst.

There is a nutrition element, only available in plants, that helps in this, the same element that helps badminton players to win the rubber set match.

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In reference to my comment about lions being semi-veg...

There are carnivores and there are carnivores, some are meat-meat eater and others like the lion are meat-vege eaters.

Lions, tigers, cheetah etc know and they eat only plant eating animals, like zebra and wilderbeast etc.

When they kill, the first thing they eat is the stomach where the half digested vegetation are, borrowing the digestion of the plant eating animals which the lion's shorter intestine are not geared for. Yes, they kill hyenas and other meat eating animals too, but that's for territorial reasons and they don't eat them unless food is scarce.

You may notice that meat-vege eating lions and tigers have beautiful furs and skin. Wherelse the meat-meat carnivores like hyenas have ugly pigmentations and furs?

Interesting, isn't it? There's a lot more to this but it's gonna fall on deaf ears, so why bother...

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And ditto, Bee, I'm not interested to debate any longer with one who has already close his mind to new information.

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Others who are the least bit curious to find out more, I highly recommend this book -

"The Food Revolution" by author John Robbins

He is the son of one of the two founders of the ice cream company, Baskin Robbins. He decided to give up the ice cream business, went on a plant based diet and share with the world on why he did it and how you can do it. His book is filled with references to all the points he make where you can use it to do your research.