not taking sides here but your argument on how it impact the environment is invalid(as both source has its pro & cons)

startin from the 1st point, vegetation requires land AND it depletes the fertility of the land over each reaping.

2nd point, contamination? go to ANY farm that is not organic, they are spraying pesticides etc etc (insert whatever brand u want) on your f***ing vege like its water so that you get that BEAUTIFUL leaf on your vege to consume.

cardio that one idk lah, but all i know, living 2 years in the temple, ive seen enough obese vegetarian to know that if you dont work your ass off what you have eaten, you will also grow fat.

and SINCE you STRESSED on the links you provided, let me notify you the keywords you missed out that simply bites you back in your vege arse which was gotten from the exact link itself.

http://www.vegan-nutritionista.com/vegan-protein.html

comparatively, the amount of resources pooled to EXTRACT ALL of these proteins just to replace a simple meat protein alone, how is that COST EFFECTIVE from your point of view?

ive got all day, pls give me a constructive answer and not post links for me to read. even if you want to copy paste, give me the keyword and link, im very interested to hear your views on the 1st point, 2nd point and finally the last, we'll start with the 1st point

happy4ever is merely questioning your initial answers rather indirectly, if you cant answer them, that means you dont even understand the links you've posted fully to even share it, you deemed it as YOUR "research", yet when questioned you do not have a solid answer, that is not research anymore, thats merely linking ppl to something you have no idea about.

you couldnt even answer my previous post and ignored it when i questioned your "research". theories are NOT practical. its funnier that you share a theory without proper understanding and calculation. there is so many blind ppl like you that are slaves to media propaganda that organizations like PETA and shits pull you by your noses, putting proper vegetarians in a bad spotlight.

just saying bro, if you have your own believes, so be it, BUT only share it AFTER there is results, you can share your PROCESS of your vegetarian bodybuilding at the "Member Workout Journals" section: http://forum.lowyat.net/MemberWorkoutJournals , if you are still keen in making a comparison between both methods of body building, take down all the details needed to support your discussion and comparisons, not to mention doing PROPER research to back up your claims and be ready to answer questions when questioned.

you cant claim something is the way to go when you havent FULLY experience it. its like MLM companies saying if you follow my investment plan you sure get rich, mana boleh caya ni?!

Go do your thing, post your journal, when you have done it only come talk kok with PROOFS to back your muscles. No proof talk kok ur kok sure give ppl cut la

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Added on August 16, 2012, 11:46 ami dont recall calling him a retard, but even if i did, it doesnt matter, coz he sure posted like one at times, eitherway why should i apologize when its my opinion of someone? your boss sometimes think you are an idiot too, ask him apologize? those 3 points mention are hardly valid based on HIS context, if UN, Oprah or whatever are researching based on his context, then yes, they are a bunch of retards too. UN is infamously retarded on alot of occasions anyways, so this being one of their moments of retardness doesnt seems to faze me at all. May i remind you, this is a comparison between bodybuilding methods + cost effectiveness + the effect of it on the enviroment+health risks. try not to separate those 4 elements, instead rationalize and think over those elements together, and do the bloody math. It aint no rocket science to figure it out if you are experienced in most of these fields before, unless you are off course...havent been experienced in those field before, reading it all on the net.

This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Aug 16 2012, 11:52 AM

lesse, lets slowly dissect your wall of trash rage.

I am quite interested how you came out with the fact i don't read for knowledge, if i dont read to study the basics of agriculture, or heck even english, i wouldnt be posting here now am i? this is abit funny lol.

so you saying:"I can't be experiencing everything but that doesn't mean I'm wrong just cos I don't have that experience". Does that mean you are correct when you are ALREADY inexperienced compared to someone EXPERIENCED with ON HANDS field work on agriculture works for couple of years?

you said:"two different people doing the same thing may experience different results. After all, you cannot be two different person, since you're only you". so you mean us ppl that are in the argriculture field are consist of one body of thought alone when we plant and source for several farms with a decade plus history track records of supplying vegetation to the mass?

you said:"those 4 elements can and have been done, proven time and again by many vegetarians and vegans all over the world, including 2 personal friends of mine who are body builders. Sure, it may not work for everyone". So you are suggesting that something that MIGHT NOT work for everyone is a trustable source of diet plan for the public? compared to something that is a CONFIRMED proven methology? actually i dont think you even read and understand how the 4 elements work anyways LOL! ill list em here again for u to figure that one out and EXPLAIN FURTHER how your 2 friends achieve:
1.comparison between bodybuilding methods
2.cost effectiveness between both methods
3.the effect of it on the enviroment
4.health risks
i will await your answer on this 4 elements on how your 2 pals achieve those, i dont need "stories" i need solid proof.

you said:"shows the level of research you have done yourself. Raising animals for human consumption require way more land than vegetation for human consumption and no, pesticides do not help you get beautiful leaves...it just keeps the pests away and sometimes, they even fail in that too". The only method without using pesticides to get "nice" vegetables are Hydroponics, which isint popular and not adapatable for MASSIVE production for MASS HUMAN CONSUMPTION due to the obvious. Pesticides and fetilization(which saves over 90% of harvest) over each harvest for GROUND based vegetation is still needed to maintain that AMOUNT of harvest for mass consumption, geddit? so one might say:OOOHH WE FEED ANIMALS VEGE TOO THEY EATING OUT VEGE! which is WRONG FOOL! Different types of livestock consumes different types of FODDER! what is FODDER? they are excess materials of harvest that is used to feed livestocks, other types of feed for particalar types of livestock are still harvested to feed, BUT they are far more easy to maintain AND reproduce due to the types of plant they are, for instance hay. try planting a field without pesticides AND proper nettings/human interference, you will get shitty harvest, that is why ORGANIC vegetables are so expensive and produce lesser harvest as the effort to produce them is at least FIVE fold or more compared to normal vegetation production. so compare a protien worth pound of meat, how much vegetable sourced protien is required to meet up to it? with the amount of resources and time to produce both, simple math, go figure.

the 2nd last paragraph which i didnt rly bother to dissect since its the essense of your entire trash rage post sums up how bitter you are towards the rejection your recieved from Darklight at Facebook, he didnt need to ask us to "bully" this thread, if he wanted to bully someone, he alone would had raped the butthole off the dude he wanted to bully np without my help. What im really posting here for is, im a strict vegetarian for 5 years plus, and am still semi vegetarian even now. what ive read is a FARCE here, some vegetarians are a disgrace to share links which they have no bloody idea what it is, you want research? i gave you MY OWN bloody research thru experience, experimentation AND i dont even need someone elses research to link to you. pls dont tell me i dont read, thats some shit a 3 year old tells his friend as a retort.

you said:"he even welcome a discussion of pros and cons". IF he REALLY did welcome discussion, he would had replied my 1st post with proper answers and "his research", not ignoring it, answering "sexual" questions from happy4ever instead.

Anything else you want to say to make yourself a fool?

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Added on August 16, 2012, 2:29 pmthx for pushing this fact obviously for those without logical thinking

some vegetarians ALWAYS forgot to take that part into consideration

the natural resources, extracts and process to produce the supplements/shakes itself consumes far more energy to be cost effective comparitively.

hence on my 1st post ive already stated, 2 protien source comparitively, meat will STILL be the more cost effective one if they know the entire process to produce both.

This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Aug 16 2012, 02:29 PM

please do open a journal.

look son, not trying to discourage you for taking this path, it works, but if you want to post something in that context, be sure to put more info since you ARE comparing both methology. you have my support on your journey thou. as for the other dude, im too lazy & busy to argue with brainless nutheads anymore

good luck mate

you have a point but then again this thread's context involved all of the above as an argument and comparison.

1.comparison between bodybuilding methods
2.cost effectiveness between both methods
3.the effect of it on the enviroment
4.health risks

thats why this thread is a cluster fark

anyways, he kinda gets the point i think, just let him do it his way and make his journal lor, this thread doesnt do justice to anything at all