There are 4 funds that just closed investment to epf.
How would you compare the PRSF and PSSF for epf?
Just for discussion what you guys think
Public Mutual v4, Public/PB series funds
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Mar 6 2014, 11:32 AM
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Guys, whats your recommendation for the epf investment scheme?
There are 4 funds that just closed investment to epf. How would you compare the PRSF and PSSF for epf? Just for discussion what you guys think |
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Mar 6 2014, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(Lineage @ Mar 6 2014, 01:39 PM) PDSF is quite a good fund also. Is more of a dividend paying fund i guess, I do my cash investments in this fund where you can see more movement, but since EPF is like super long term, I would opt for something with overall higher returns and proven track record. PRSF is a long proven fund but I see the PSSF seems to be performing rather similarly but is at almost half the price per unit. But in the end of the day the returns on the PRSF looks slightly higher.@Xuzen Thanks! Do you think PRSF will still have alot of room to grow in terms of capital gains and unit price? PSSF is pretty low price fund and could have a huge potential for growth. Thoughs? |
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Mar 6 2014, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Lineage @ Mar 6 2014, 03:01 PM) Thanks for your information. Then I should suggest my agent to get PRSF for my next withdrawal. Is it a good way or I should get more unit for PDSF since my first withdrawal invest into it. You can always make investments into multiple funds if you're working with a large and consistent amount. At the end of the day, we are its all about making your EPF fund work for you after your retirement.I always tell people that at the end of the day, IF the EPF pays out a consistent 6% (for example) what ever extra you receive is considered a bonus weather it is 8% or 12 % or 50%. Anyway, don't sweat too much about it, every fund has their strengths and weaknesses and just go over to the PM website or read the brochure if you want to know more about your fund. Can always ask ur agent to advice and explain a little more in depth if you want to know more or you can ask all the sifus around here which have been investing for long time |
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Mar 9 2014, 09:26 AM
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Mar 9 2014, 09:31 AM
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@xuzen: thoughts on PFSF please thanks
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Mar 9 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Mar 9 2014, 10:31 AM) my question is which is the best way for me to invest in PM equity? 1. if you sell off all your bond funds and park into your pb account and DDI got 2 disadvantage.Either I :- 1. sold off all my bond and parked my cash back into my PB account & from there DDI to equity. Or; 2. switch certain amount monthly from bond to equity. Both ways will incurred sales charge fees, right? which is better method? 1 or 2? What's the reason for your choices? I need advice from experts here. thanks. - firstly you've already paid some sales charges when investing into bond fund. When you reinvest through DDI you are paying the sales charge again, hence you get charged twice on your initial investment. - secondly, why park your cash in your PB acount with that zero point something or 1 % interest and wait to invest the money back in. Why no just switch for RM25 plus whatever difference in % to load the fund and let your money work during that time. 2. Switching certain amoun monthly from bond to equity is probably the better choice but you will have to pay the switching fee per switch if not mistaken which will end up to alot more. The choice is yours but if it were me I would just switch it all to equity and pay the loading, your cost per switch per unit will be alot less. If we look at the pocket calculator, initial lump sump investments tend to pay off more then DDI in the same amount of time. Hope this helps |
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Mar 10 2014, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Mar 9 2014, 03:06 PM) If I follow ur advice and switch all to equity in 1 lump sum, what if that equity tanked??? u can switch your funds into multiple funds depending on the amount. for example say you have a 100k lump sum you can go for 25k each in 4 funds. you should be able to diversify your risk.Wouldn't it cost me to lose more? All investments come with risk. It's your decision to make on how much risk you're willing to take, there is no investment with a 100% guarantee return* correct me if i'm wrong. UT is meant to be a medium to long term investment. 3 to 5 years or more. What i meant is if you're earning say for example: if you're earning a 2.5% - 3.5% return with bonds over a period of 3 years as compared to a 8-12% return of an equity fund over the same period of time. At the end of the day you will have higher returns within the same period of time. Of course with higher returns there are also higher risk |
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Mar 10 2014, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Mar 10 2014, 10:53 AM) Nah, only 10k with ROI 7% (IRR 2.95%)... Already got 3 equities with PM (1 thru EPF), all closed fund but still able to DDI (not sure EPF fund can still top up or not)... If not mistaken you cant DDI into epf fund only can withdraw every 3 months Need to study 1st on how I can reduce the sales fee / switch fee if wanna buy equity funds... my agent did introduce PIDF, PITGF & PRSF for me previously PRSF is a good fund probably one of the top for PM. I've had good experience with it. Not too sure bout the ittikal growth havent really looked into it. But there are a number of pretty good funds with PM la |
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Mar 10 2014, 03:55 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 10 2014, 06:23 PM) I would suggest that you invest 70% of the $ lump sum and 10% every 3 months afterward. This would take advantage of better lump sum return but at the same time have sufficient fund to top up in case the fund going south. I would do this if I have lots of cash to invest. The return is better than DCA in most market condition. +1 |
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Mar 10 2014, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 10 2014, 04:04 PM) Forummer Xuzen is looking at his datasheets and PFSF did not even make into his shortlist. ahahahha! hrmm... I dont know but i kinda like this fund :S it's like those ladies that no one else sees special but really catches your eye @.@ Further digging, forummer Xuzen realised that PFSF perform almost on par with its benchmark which leads him to question why he need to pay 1.5% p.a. management fee to the fund manager who cannot beat the benchmark. Xuzen p/s: Answering in 3rd person can be some funneh! |
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Mar 11 2014, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 10 2014, 05:53 PM) Ah Kim ar... you realised that you are not diversifying at all hor. What is forumer Xuzen recomendation for overseas fund? What should we be eating other den nasi kandar?PDSF, PRSF, PISEF, Lee Sook Yee Why you no go oversea a bit? Everyday eat Nasi Kandar... no diversification, tak jemu ke? Xuzen |
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Mar 11 2014, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 11 2014, 09:37 AM) Forumer Xuzen looks at his datasheet and sees two foreign equities making into his short-list. They are Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund & Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund. The Public Far-East Property & Resort looks hot doesnt it. How did this fund make it into forumer Xuzen's shortlist. |
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Mar 11 2014, 05:09 PM
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Mar 11 2014, 05:10 PM
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Mar 17 2014, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(taying @ Mar 13 2014, 03:00 PM) try to scroll for suitable investment that i can do with 2k... what happened to your PRSF and PISEF? The reason we were discussing overseas funds before this is to diversify your investment. Why dont you look for an agent to service you at least u got someone to answer your questions and give you some peace of mind. but 114 pages so far saw "public far-east property and resorts fund" and "public islamic asia dividend fund"... highly recommend??? reallyyyy a new new new new birdie here for funds..... just walk in to the mutual then tell them what fund i want to invest? thats all???? If you're hardworking do alot of research and walk in and make ur investments online, you can save abit on the service charge. |
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Mar 18 2014, 08:41 AM
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I just want to correct what I said earlier about switching. Here's a chart I found on the switching fees for Public Mutual. Apologies as I got a little confused. This was what I found from a post backdated 2011.
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Mar 19 2014, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 18 2014, 08:03 PM) ... it's nothing new! This is new to me. We can withdraw epf into bond and mm fund? Is there selected funds that can be drawn into or all bond and mm funds can be used?I am, fortunately, able to withdraw more than I need in each new purchase; and it is a sizable amount to spread over more than 12 months. It saves the hassle of meeting my agent every 3 months or so. Yes, there is a cost and lost in EPF dividend in parking the excessive monies in a temporary bond/money market fund . But I put more weight on lesser meetings with my agent and getting my thumbs stained! I also do a bit of timing in making the switchings, so maybe (maybe as I have not really calculated the differences) I might have recovered that cost as well, or maybe more than breakeven. The bond funds are not doing so well recently. In the longer term of several years, maybe they will perform better than money market fund. But in the short term of several months (maybe up to 18-24 months), no. For example, they went negative in January. If you entered in December, it will take some time to catch up a money market fund. Usual gains per month: Bond 0.26-0.28%. MM 0.22-0.24% January lost: Bond -0.22% No. of months to catch up: -0.22 / (0.26-0.22) = 5.5 months. Then if maybe another negative set back in April or May... |
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Mar 21 2014, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Mar 20 2014, 04:06 PM) Anyone noticed that EPF withdrawal time frame is getting long in 2014? Last year, if I were to withdraw from EPF, the $ goes into my investment immediately. I'm an agent, I did withdrawal for 2 of my friends and myself at the same time. But both of their accounts reflect in my system already but mine still doesn't show. I think it's dependant on some accounts. Both of their withdrawals were pretty substantial amounts where mine was slightly less.I did however receive the sms from EPF that my withdrawal has been made though. |
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Jun 9 2014, 09:27 AM
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alright guys! I haven't been really keeping up to date lately for the past few months cause of my day job. I've got a little extra income now and am looking to do a monthly investment for a medium term return. What are your recommendations?
I was looking at PFEPRF and maybe PIOF. Any comments on these funds or recommended alternatives? |
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