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lizardjeremy
post May 11 2015, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ May 11 2015, 01:54 PM)
Just came across another good article from MarketWatch... "6 ways Vanguard has changed the way people invest."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-ways-va...15-05-09?page=1

1. FYI, Vanguard is a fund company in USA, with very low fees.

2. 3 of the points is on why people choose to invest with Vanguard:
"Costs matter" - it gives the best value to its customers.
"Avoid complacency" - it constantly improves its method of doing business.
"It’s best to ignore trends, fads and..." - its sales is not market driven, but based on sound investment ideas.

3. The other 3 points is how its customers grew rich with Vanguard:
"Starting small leads to finishing big" - it is never too early to start saving.
"You must invest regularly" - Saves and invests as you earns.
"Patience matters, too" - never wavered from fundamental belief that doing the right things pays off in time.

Cheers. Keep investing... regularly.
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1 if the fund is actively managed be it vanguard or any other mutual fund giants or minnows-the cost wont be low.
2 in addition one has to subscribe to a financial theory that no one can beat the market except outliers like warren buffet and his mentor benjamin graham whose investment prowess proves that the market is not efficient afterall
3 a 1000 usd invested in buffet hathaway berkshire fund in 1965 is worth 278 million in 2004.the cagr was 21.9% compared to the average return of 10.9% for the same period.yes indeed start early and revered at the marvellous gain in just 30years.

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post May 11 2015, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 4 2015, 01:04 PM)
Do's and Don'ts of Choosing a Unit Trust Fund

Do
•Decide which type of unit trust fund meets your saving needs.
•Shop around for a reliable unit trust company.
•Check whether investment limits and frequency of income payments are suitable.
•Check past performance records.

Don't
Don't choose any unit trust fund just because its performance was good. Instead, make sure the fund meets your risk appetite and financial goals.
•Don't pay too much attention to short term performance as good consistent performance over all periods is the best lead.
•Don't decide on a unit trust fund simply because it has low charges. Strong management of the fund is far more important.
•Don't borrow to invest in unit trust unless you are absolutely aware of the risks involved.

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/Resources/U...ustLessons.aspx
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i disagree to rule 3 of the donts in mf investing
expense ratio/turnover rate/capital gains plays a crucial role in the cost of your investment and can significantly impact you return over the long term. assuming that the cost of this instrument is 3-4% of the total fund annually -this literally means the fund managers bettter deliver a MINIMAL consistent cagr gains of 3-4 % above the benchmark index to justify their not inexpensive fees
historical evidence suggest that most fund managers underperformed the benchmark index over the long run
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post May 11 2015, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 07:43 PM)
noted...
just up to individual the believes what he wants to believes.
just like some believes that "historical evidence suggest that most fund managers underperformed the benchmark index over the long run" does not applies to some local funds.
because they believes some local funds are hitting their benchmarks frequently.
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well its not a hearsay or voodoo science -its a fact that actively managed funds fails and fails miserably over the long term to beat the benchmark index is simply becos of the exorbitant mutual fund fees.
well what 'frequently' means in your assayed or assessment of mutual funds?
you mean local funds are not in for the marathon ? implying that they are all for short term bets ?anyway whats the time horizon of those 'coveted'funds?

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post May 11 2015, 09:07 PM

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post May 11 2015, 09:16 PM

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well i would be immensely impressed with mutual funds that can deliver a consistent return of 10% annually provided the benchmark is much lower than 10%.if it only tracks the index perhaps indexing will provide a much better return instead


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post May 11 2015, 09:20 PM

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in investment the returns and risks can be quantified- its not a personal issue or believe.facts that can be accounted for are not to be slighted
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post May 11 2015, 09:21 PM

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well what is ROI on funds?this is really an eye opener defense i hv ever encounter.do you actually kmnow how fund returns are measured?

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post May 11 2015, 09:29 PM

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well presumably you are the financial adviser if not pls check with the financial planners -they can provide you with a synopsis of return vs risk metrics . i m here to participate in a discourse on fund investing not educating the masses
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post May 11 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:23 PM)
but these quantified risk are managed and monitored by the fund manager....the some would just believes in seeing consistent impressive annualized ROI records.
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if the investor does not even know about the risk reward characteristic of the fund,he should refrain from investing in the instrument.its not good to talk only about return-the average investor must also know the amount of risk he is undertaking for this expected rate of return




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post May 11 2015, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:37 PM)
as i believes these "return vs risk metrics" or any "technical terms used by the other some.....should be handled by the fund manager as they have the financial adviser and planner and BIG computers....
then i believes some would just be happy if the fund can give an annalised returns of > 10% for the past 10 years.

i believes if you want to participate in the discourse on fund investing....particularly your post in 2931.....then it is best to talk to the originator of that article....the website and contacts are there too......and not educating the masses here.
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risk vs rewards are simple mathematical formula-readily available in most prospectus or annual report -the average investor needs only to peruse the performance against the benchmark index thats it full stop
i wont even bother to go into the intricate details

do you understand the english word -discourse

wellfyi it means debate
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post May 11 2015, 09:48 PM

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well perhaps we should conduct all discussions with this i believe stuff , relegate and consigned all scientific or financial theories to some inconsequential rubbish bin.nobel price winners like sharpe,markowitz who have contributed to modern day investment be denigrated as mere silly fellows as i believe is of lesser intelligence to i believe investors
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post May 11 2015, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 11 2015, 09:47 PM)
there are always 2 sides of a coin....
there are always 2 views on a half glass of water....

if want to debate about the point 3......you know where to get the contact of the originator of that article.

like you just mentioned.....why educating the masses here by debating?
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sad.gif you are really brilliant mr i believe.thanks for the amusing evening


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