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cherroy
post Sep 11 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Sep 11 2012, 10:14 AM)
Really? i thought mutual funds are generally lower risk as its more diversified etc.

hence i thought its more lower risk n can offer marginally better returns than FD..lol

Can taikor explain why its lacklustre now? wanna understand more..kamsiah!
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How can be mutual fund low risk?

Ask back a question.
Is stock market high risk?
Is buying listed company share out there is high risk?

So mutual fund takes your money and buy listed company share in the stock market, how come it suddenly can become low risk?

Just because funds generally are diversified, aka buying a couples or ten plus stocks in the fund, does it make a high risk (owning listed company share) become a low risk already?


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post Sep 11 2012, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Sep 11 2012, 02:54 PM)
Sorry what i meant was lower risk than stock market..i understand its quite volatile..my risk appetite is quite high but not stocks level yet..huhu

its just that mutual funds one unit is invested in more companies so in a way its already diversified as compared to stocks. aite? heheh
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Huh, lower risk than stock market?
Mutual fund is investing your money in the stock market. (equities fund)
So how can mutual fund risk is lower than stock market, when it is investing in stock market? biggrin.gif

You get the diversification through mutual fund.
But risk exposure to stock market is still the same, except your can have more diversification or spread out the risk to more stocks.

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post Sep 11 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Sep 11 2012, 03:51 PM)
Thats whats im getting at..spread out the risk thru diversification..hehe..neway cherroy boss do u recommend going for fund such as PIOF? many thanks
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Spread out the risk /= lower risk than stock market.

The stock market risk is still the same.

Sorry not appropriate to recommend whether which fund is good or not. smile.gif
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post Sep 13 2012, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Sep 12 2012, 11:26 PM)
Read more bro... To find reason why Unit Trust are lower risk...

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UT are lower risk? laugh.gif

Speak this to those invested in China related fund back 3-4 years ago. whistling.gif
Speak to those invested in global properties equities UT 3-4 years ago. whistling.gif

What equities UT holding in their portfolio?
Listed stock market shares or other lower risk asset?
Listed stock market shares is lower risk? whistling.gif
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post Sep 13 2012, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2012, 06:49 AM)
U guys laugh.gif

Pls understand the meaning of "risk"

Risk simply means, the magnitude and possibility of losses.

Lower risk simply means, when u lose, more likely than not u will lose little, similarly, when u profit, more likely than not u will profit little.

U buy 1-2 stocks on your own, if u get it right, its very rewarding. Similarly, if u picked laggards/big time losers, u will lose money even when the general market is goin up.

The more stocks u buy, the more likely ur returns will be similar to that of the index.
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Yes, but personally I do not dare to say UT is low risk investment.

More stocks means average out, while individual that has sufficient fund also can buy 10-15 stocks like fund managers do.


Added on September 13, 2012, 10:23 am
QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2012, 09:58 AM)
Cherroy, UT is a collection of individual stocks and the formula for the portfolio risk aka variance is (W1.R1+W2.R2+....Wn.Rn)^2. Where W is the weightage and R is the stock return.

When you expand the equation, the Std Dev is average of all the weighted components. This is to prevent one from picking the losers but also it prevent one from picking th winner. Hence, from a risk management point of view, this risk trade off with return is an acceptable gamble.

On one hand, the fund manager for Pub-Mut China esp PCSF fund should be dragged out to the courtyard, shot, hung, drawn and quartered (an English Idiom) for the cold blooded murder of their fund. How can one, when actively managing the fund, perform below the benchmanrk i.e. the baseline. Stupid fund manager.

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Yes, I understand, just I do not agree the term being put on UT as "lower risk". It can give wrong impression to newbie in investment.

UT has exposure to stock market, when stock market is viewed as high risk place, then UT also does, just return/loss of UT is averaged by total number of stocks holding instead of one or two stocks.

If UT is lower risk investment class, it shouldn't be having a performance of loss 30-40% after 4-5 years.


Added on September 13, 2012, 10:26 amI give a simple scenario.

I bought stock A - high risk
I bought stock A + B + C + D + E. Does it means now I am at low risk?

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