QUOTE(smsbusiness2u @ Nov 20 2013, 09:45 AM)
if u cannot take a bit of sarcasm then too badPublic Mutual v4, Public/PB series funds
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Nov 20 2013, 09:46 AM
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Nov 20 2013, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:23 AM) OK, this explanation very the kinderjoy level, I understang very gooding. when NAV drops ur units will go upBut hor, now I want planning to do the switch funds wohh. As you said hor, when financial year end that time, NAV will dropping mahh. So I switching lohh when the NAV is very the low...means I making big moneh lahh is it like that? Kindygarden stuff again 3 bini (pun INTENDED 6 bini x RM3 = ALSO RM18 i.e. u use RM18 buy RM6 u get 3 bini worth RM6 each u use RM18 buy RM3 u get 6 binis at the end ur value is STILL RM18 This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 20 2013, 10:29 AM |
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Nov 20 2013, 10:32 AM
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and getting more units doesn't mean that your money will "grow faster", it's just a denominator.
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Nov 20 2013, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:33 AM) Ohh thanks for explains to me using the tabika level theories. don't need get yourself too deep into the technicalsBut hor, how come when NAV low then units will up wan? I thought units is directly the proportional with NAV wan, not??? Cuz hor, every time I see my PMO hor, when NAV low my units count will low also wohh. Aiyoohh, so difficult to understank wan. understand up to a basic level ok liao if u wanna know moar, Unker Google that way |
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Nov 20 2013, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:45 AM) I got find Brother Gugel before...but hor, all the websites that got the explain the unit trust wan all also full of financial jargons which I found it very the hard and difficult to undershank. Read FAQ No. 2 here:Boss, can you please answer me this very the simple questions ahh? (Simple by your standards for sure!) 1. Me now holding on to Fund A. 2. Fund A very the high NAV. 3. I want switching to Fund B, which haz low NAV cuz Fund B baru saja financial end year. 4. Profit? Thanks a lot boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -edit- I am assume Fund B will increase lohh. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3011236 It answers your question straight to the point with an example to dispel your misunderstanding about how UTs work |
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Nov 20 2013, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 20 2013, 11:01 AM) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't take historical trend as a reliable indicator of future performance.I love you mang!!!!!! So you meaning this way to making big moneh will works lahh is it??? Please see my previous post for a better idea of what I wanting to do... Here: Index MAY work that way, but not with a UT fund. Cos index always has the same stocks, won't change much. But underlying holdings of a UT can change overnight. |
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Nov 20 2013, 11:10 AM
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Nov 20 2013, 11:15 AM
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Let's say u give me RM10mil to invest today. I have full freedom on how to invest it. I buy a office building, a warehouse and a bungalow with that money. 2 years later I tell u, your investment is worth RM9mil only. Can u say that your investments is now "cheap"? U wanna top up? NO. The office building have already depreciated in value by RM3mil, and I've already sold it off. With the money I got, I bought another bungalow during pre-launch. The bungalow is at a prime area, and have shoot up in value A LOT. That value spike have reduced the valuation loss on the office building. The warehouse and other bungalow have been consistent in valuation. Don't expect it to go up in value anytime soon. So, u still think your investment is "cheap" now? If u STILL dun understand, I cannot help u already. I already spoon fed u a lot. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 20 2013, 11:19 AM |
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 20 2013, 12:00 PM) Let me take a shot at explaining this. Face value is STILL pointless for UT/mutual fund, the main issue to take note is the UNDERLYING HOLDINGS.First you need to understand that different fund has different unit face value. Example Fund A is RM1, fund B is 25sen and fund C is 50sen. If you do not understand what is face value, Google face value. At value of RM1 = 1 unit Fund A, 4 unit Fund B and 2 unit Fund C. So, you cannot compare NAV of fund A to Fund B to Fund C because they have different face value. But if NAV for Fund A is RM1 and NAV for Fund B is also RM1, then Fund B is very expensive because the value has gone up 4x from initial price of 25sen to now RM1. But of course the manager would not allow Fund B to become so expensive, they will try to bring the value back down to 25sen again by "dividend redistribution", in this case, divide the 1 unit into 4 unit and bring down price to 25sen. 1 unit x RM1 = 4 unit x 25sen. Now to your question. You may not make extra money if Fund A has high NAV by switching it to lower NAV Fund B but lost switching fee instead. Example. Fund A face value is RM1 and NAV is now RM1.50. Let say you have 1000 unit. Fund B face value is RM0.50 and NAV is now RM0.60 When you switch from Fund A to Fund B, you sell Fund A for RM1500 and buy Fund B at RM0.60 and get 2500 unit of Fund B. RM1 x 1000 unit = RM0.60 x 2500 units. In fact you might get less than 2500 units if you need to pay switching fee. What will make you more money is how fast NAV will go up. If Fund A value is going up at 20% a year and Fund B value is going up at 10% a year, you will make less money by switching from Fund A to Fund B. I hope it is clearer to you on your plan to switch. So what if Fund A has gone up 4 times? The underlying holdings may have changed. Saying that Fund A is "expensive" now is like saying if the manager of Fund A managed to quadruple it's value previously, he/she cannot continue to do well in the future. Let's say Fund B launched at RM1.000, it's NAV price is RM0.8000, can u say that it's "cheap" now? NO! U have to see what it is holding! Saying that Fund B is "cheap" now is like assuming that the fund manager has lost unitholders 20% in the past, he cannot continue his stupidity oops I mean lacklusre performance in the future. I repeat AGAIN, UNDERLYING HOLDINGS is what matters. NAV price means NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to timing your entry. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 20 2013, 01:46 PM |
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 20 2013, 12:17 PM) Wow! Thanks for another kindergaten explaining for me!!! don't PM me, write here.The core issue here is that u do not understand what is a MUTUAL FUND. A fund can have 20, 30 or 40 stocks. And it can buy/sell any/all of the stocks anytime. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 20 2013, 01:41 PM |
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Nov 21 2013, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 21 2013, 08:32 AM) Aiyah Pink, I know lah but since he don't understand so many being written, I just want to make sure he is not comparing funds of different par value and thought it is cheap. Apparently he knows that thru his RON example. Engineers know RON, accountants know NAV, itik tak boleh komunikasi dgn ayam situasi here |
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 6 2014, 06:52 AM) Your friend's agent is his mistress or wife? +100Dont allow to sell off all units? rich joke. Can a bank teller or even a bank "dont allow to take out all YOUR money?" Answer: Yes U can sell off everything PM When PM charge mgt fees? Daily - into the NAV No way U can escape from mgt fees. Good try but they've an army of paid brains... eh U the same chap on the Hong Leong Income Builder? Stop trying to outsmart these folks lar - try to understand what the heck U are getting into in the first place. "Dont buy a tractor when U need a car". btw, that person is a "she"...try dig her previous posts and threads don't mean to be sexist but...typical irrational women - "I want it my way and I don't care about the rules!!!" |
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QUOTE(yingwey @ Oct 17 2014, 05:22 PM) thank you j.passing.by for your feedback, shall re-adjust my table. U may also take a look at mine:2 more question which i'm not too sure 1. Distribution Units - since im new investor - i don't need to take this into consideration yet right? Because i dont get it yet 2. Annualized the profit/loss % - not too sure how to work on this formula.. https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3363202 |
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Another disgruntled UT investor making baseless claims
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Wednesday 4D 1st price is no. XXXX
Should have bought it with RM100 Should have... If u can know, u are God liao! |
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85% 1 year? I pawn my car and house, borrow maximum amount from loan sharks, max out my credit cards lor
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