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TSchchyong89
post Aug 1 2012, 11:42 PM, updated 11y ago

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Finally, a much higher end DAC released, with much lower price and much smaller size! Have no time to post the detail of it until today due to busy working hours. The design goals were built by optimizing the layout to maximize the performance of the DAC while maintaining tiniest possible size.

The selling price was squeezed to lowest possible by introducing lowest possible parts count of SMDs and avoided the use of unnecessary expensive and meaningless electrolytic capacitors, either in signal or power paths. With the integration of negative charge pump in the DAC, there are no capacitors throughout the signal paths that will colorize the sound characteristics to retain purest possible audio signals transmission. Throw away the need of high or low frequency filtering stage on signals path ensuring full signals transmitting. Shortest signals travelling, reducing EMI throughout the DAC. And finally, introducing with direct connectivity to your USB slot without additional USB cable greatly reduced the messiness of cables on your tables.

The premium point is that the DAC is using ESS sabre ES9023, which can outperform most of the commercial DACs at a certain value. My words on this product is, don't judge the performance of this DAC base on the size and the selling price that will biasing your final conclusions. laugh.gif


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I have named this as UD100 as the first product under my newly registered trading company. And I have added a logo on my PCB to protect myself from the same incident happen again.

A simple review from my friend, click

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post Aug 2 2012, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Aug 2 2012, 02:22 AM)
Wow, what a simple design. Never know you can directly mount ES9023 onto USB.
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double surface mounting. USB receiver is on the back side. laugh.gif


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 2 2012, 02:31 AM)
questions!

- what incident?

- possible for adding a sealed tight cover(water/dust proof etc)? maybe acrylic too if you wanna maintain it to be able to "show off" the internals?

- for those who don't need portability/size requirement, would you have a "desktop version" that comes equipped with much higher current feed? (eg: power adapters/sockets from direct power source of wall socket etc)
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-the old kakis on this forum know this wub.gif

-molding a case will increase the selling price a lot.

-There will no desktop size DAC until 2015 in the planned road map. By the way, you don't need large current output unless you are using it to drive your headphone directly, or you are connecting to a super low input impedance amplifier. blush.gif

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post Aug 2 2012, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Aug 2 2012, 10:54 AM)
sounds tempting!

how low is low?
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Very low brows.gif



QUOTE(kenjixx @ Aug 2 2012, 10:59 AM)
looks like something that is within reachable for amature user
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you will change your opinion after you audit it. tongue.gif



QUOTE(TOROBO @ Aug 2 2012, 11:34 AM)
can it be designed so that it will not disturb other USB ports?
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At left USB mounting, the jack is facing to front, while on the right side, the jack will facing backwards, I think this is good enough for arranging cables on the table laugh.gif


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post Aug 2 2012, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Aug 2 2012, 07:46 PM)
perhaps a loaner program will convince people much more, currently i have 3 dac sets with me, hoho if this can test then i have 4 for a elaborative test, haha
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Its good to hear that you have 3 DACs ready at the moment to carry out comparisons! Let me know if you can drop by at pj after 830pm, I can borrow you a sample. biggrin.gif

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post Aug 4 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(JonSpark @ Aug 3 2012, 09:40 PM)
how is this compared to t-muso ? hmm.gif
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The gap is too big to compare blush.gif
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post Aug 7 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(dennisyeoh @ Aug 4 2012, 07:31 PM)
too big as in better??  drool.gif  drool.gif
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QUOTE(cougar richard @ Aug 6 2012, 08:30 PM)
Bro chyong,

    Off topic but i was just so curious to know what was your final year project in your Uni life? Audio stuff related also?
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haha, yeap. I did a stupid FYP btw doh.gif


QUOTE(Dreamworks @ Aug 7 2012, 12:32 AM)
Any new users joining the club? Received my unit today rclxm9.gif
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I knew it was small, but I seriously did not expect it to be this SMALL... In fact, the standard PosLaju envelope seemed overkill laugh.gif But size (looks) can be deceiving, because it sure packs some BIG sound.

Haven't had much time to really listen for now but initial impressions, absolutely brilliant! Even my non-music centric Logitech Z-2300 sounded so good, bass goes low and deep with a powerful controlled punch. Highs are crystal clear, mids not too sure (Z-2300 is horrible with mids, cannot judge tongue.gif ) Gonna test it with my IEMs next to get a better "feel".

Bought it to replace my onboard audio (Realtek's flagship ALC898) but seems like it can replace my modded X-Fi XtremeMusic as well xD
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Great skill in photo capturing! thumbup.gif

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post Aug 7 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 7 2012, 08:15 PM)
Can plug headphone/IEM directly to this DAC without any amp?


Added on August 7, 2012, 8:16 pmDIY casing use short USB extension cable...
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It work, but it's not recommended due to limited output current and the output impedance is not low enough.
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post Aug 12 2012, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(JonSpark @ Aug 12 2012, 04:53 AM)
Can't control the volume from the computer? hmm.gif

sorry techie noob here
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Hi, its possible but you are decreasing the bit resolution of
your song. It's recommended to control on your amplifier/preamp.
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post Aug 12 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(dennisyeoh @ Aug 12 2012, 04:05 PM)
when you say decreasing the bit resolution is increasing the volume decreasing the bit or lowering the volume
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The default state is at 0dB (maximum loudness), when u lower down 6dB, you are reducing 1 bit.
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:17 PM

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This is another picture comparing the ODAC to the UD100. smile.gif

Photos by my japanese customer.

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Onkyo GS-1

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post Sep 4 2012, 10:18 PM

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Heat shrink laugh.gif

^A very very good solution to dress up the UD100.
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post Sep 8 2012, 09:39 PM

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More photos from oversea buyer :

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post Sep 9 2012, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(penmarker @ Sep 9 2012, 04:26 AM)

Haha. But paired with the DAC it sounds phenomenal even without amping. In fact, I think no amping is needed, right now I'm even playing on 1/3rd or 2/5th of volume. 50% volume is max for my ears.

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Glad that you love it laugh.gif But loudness is another thing, once you get an proper amp you will shocking.gif


Moaaarrr photos:

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From the bottom, FA1242A×4, TDA1543×4, DX100, UD100.

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Camera connection Kit → Ballanced FET Headphone Amp → Balanced PRO900

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post Sep 9 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Sep 9 2012, 02:30 PM)
Many thanks to ClieOS for his kind words


QUOTE(penmarker @ Sep 9 2012, 04:12 PM)
No please stop poisoning my wallet. sad.gif Apologize to my wallet nao!

Lol.
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post Sep 13 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Sep 13 2012, 02:04 PM)
do i need to pair with an amp to use this DAC ? brows.gif
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If you are driving IEM/earphone/headphone, sure biggrin.gif
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post Sep 14 2012, 04:24 AM

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QUOTE(bankrobber @ Sep 14 2012, 01:07 AM)
a simple portable rig

sgs3 > UD100 > ath-ck100

volume level is sufficient, no amp required.  rclxms.gif
will the battery drain off fast with the UD100? rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 4 2012, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(runemastertan @ Oct 4 2012, 05:27 PM)
I am asking this because if he plans to release a new asynchronous 24 bit "naked" DAC, the I might as well wait for that hehehe
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laugh.gif I will leak some rumour when I am ready to launch the new dac. But not that soon.
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post Oct 6 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(JonSpark @ Oct 5 2012, 11:54 PM)
Just for testing the purpose.....

usually i crank up the volume of my HCS2330 to 40 (75%) can hear loud distortion coming from the satellites

with the UD100 i crank all the way to 55 (93%) and hear only slightly distortion

Amazing indeed.
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The distortion level of the 2VRMS(max) signal should be very very low, that should be not noticeable on human ears, unless you are using the dac to drive any load. The thing that distorted the HCS2330's satellites should be the integrated amplifier inside your sub, try lower down the volume on the edifier. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(JonSpark @ Oct 6 2012, 02:01 PM)
Something better than UD100?

must.....buy.......
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I will squeeze everything I know into the next DAC, however, still a lonnnnnnnnnng story from now. blush.gif

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post Oct 28 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(dennisyeoh @ Oct 28 2012, 03:19 AM)
lol in my case my old dac just die on me. just order one today but i think is a upgrade also since my old one is running on pcm2704 chip
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It's definitely an upgrade. laugh.gif

Btw, anyone who tested the UD100 on IPAD, will the volume control function-able? I don't have an IPAD to try now. blush.gif
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post Nov 23 2012, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Nov 22 2012, 08:01 PM)
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Thank you very much for this info. I learn something new today. So due to that fact, I decided to remove iPod and iPhone from my list of preferable device and going to choose my Hippo Gumstick for the task. I am expecting that won't longer be a problem right?

I also wondering, what is the name (or size?) of the connecting wire from Hippo Gumstick to UD100? hmm.gif
/Yes, n00bie here.
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No you can't blush.gif

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