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TSKampung2005
post Jul 29 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:24 PM)
you know, this is just talk cock on paper.

execution / implementation is the toughest part
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Sunway BRT and federal highway BRT will among to be the first.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:23 PM)
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Congestion, congestion.

Not sure if one would be sane to spend two hours on road stuck in congestion. It is already happening in LDP and Sprint.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:33 PM

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To support the fact that working adults formed the highest percentage of commuters, here is the age distribution of Malaysian population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia

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Age Structure^:
0–14 years: 29.6% (male 4,118,086/female 3,884,403)
15–64 years: 65.4% (male 7,838,166/female 7,785,833)
65 years and over: 5% (male 526,967/female 667,831) (2011 est.)
Net migration rate: -0.37 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2012 est.)


This shows, we can at the very least, you have more than 50% of Malaysians are within working age.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:33 PM)
Nothing personal, are you a public transport user?
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I am public transport user. I also have driving licence, I do drive too.
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:39 PM)
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PT is sustainable.

London, Zurich, Shanghai, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Melbourne, New York.

Where is KL? laugh.gif
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post Jul 29 2012, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:44 PM)
Like I said nothing personal, BUT I am more concern to who is really benefiting from this project? Can they be transparent in the costing of the project?

I am a public transport user too but I think public transport service here is not efficient. Projects will be completed as to whether public like it or not cause some people already got richer but where is the efficiency?

All I want is to travel on time, without a burn in my pocket, and reach safely even in the wee hours in the day.
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It is too early to comment on cost when the full brief is not even being mentioned yet.

However, it is evident many buses travelling on congested Federal Highway had its average speed being reduced due to congestion.

Fair to argue about effectiveness, but to argue on cost is premature, because we don't even know the cost yet.

The first BRT won't be in federal highway, but in Bdr Sunway.

Its effectiveness will serve as test bed for BRT for the rest of Klang Valley.

BRT is unique in the sense of bus designated as BRT buses can use and operate on the line. Enforcement can be done real time as there is central command centre, just like LRT line.

In the case of Sunway BRT (6 km long), there would be 15 buses just to serve one line.
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(thienzieyung @ Jul 30 2012, 01:10 PM)
And also, how to make sure other drivers stay away from the bus lane?
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If it is run as BRT, then the enforcement will be a lot stricter, as there will be a central command centre just like LRT line.

An example in Transmilenio BRT system in Colombia.

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Secondly, stone barrier. As in Transjakarta.

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BRT is operationally different from a normal bus lane, because:

A) Only BRT buses allowed to operate on line, not regular bus, so this is just like a rail line

B) Stations are same as LRT, as in air-conditioned

C) Ticketing system is pre-paid before you board, just like LRT

D) BRT line has command centre, for better enforcement, just like LRT line too

Jakarta has even worse traffic mentality, yet they have been running BRT for many years wink.gif

Many people still do not know the concept of BRT (bus rapid transit), which is completely different from a normal bus lane. smile.gif

In Nigeria, even army officers had been fined for misusing the lane.

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 30 2012, 01:39 PM)
This BRT will affect users of LDP big time!
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LDP users will have the option of taking LRT extension, which mostly parallels LDP alignment.

At the same time, the BRT network of KL will be very extensive.

At least 12 BRT lines, coupled with 3 MRT lines and proposed third LRT line, with extra buses, will certainly make public transport a more viable option.

Besides, if you have BRT line, you speed up buses which has higher carrying capacity, making buses more reliable and frequent plus buses no longer have to occupy all lanes of the highway.

Mind set has to change.
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 01:40 PM)
I somewhat doubt they will have a solid plan to implement this.

Even if they do, with the idiotic way malaysia plans their construction, they will cause the federal highway to jam for 3 years while the construction of the BRT is on the way.

The stupid new proposed LRT already causing roads to change from 3 lane to 2 lanes.
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By the end, you will get LRT that will cater 500,000 people.

Inside USJ, there will be elevated BRT too.

Maybe they could have done road expansion earlier, but I doubt it can be done in USJ, where there is lack of space for that.

Elevated work shall end by next year. Then the rest should be track laying.

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post Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 30 2012, 01:47 PM)
BRT can only be implemented after LRT is ready right? They can't do it now as it will stop everything!
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Depends on which area.

The first BRT line will be introduced is Sunway BRT. From KTM Setia Jaya to Kelana Jaya line extension station no.8 in USJ.

The second BRT line would be Federal Highway.

Initially, there was a plan to introduce MRT line from KL to Klang, but this was rule out due to cost.

Right now, the plan for KL-Klang corridor would be:

- Federal Highway BRT

- KTM Metro
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM)
What I meant is, they should have more of an overall solution planned rather than 1 project at a time.

If the construction is already on the way, wouldnt it make sense to expand the number of lanes on our highways as well ?

Look at the bigger picture rather than just the LRT.

No doubt, the LRT will help congestion and the BRT as well, but it wouldnt hurt to fix up the roads and highways as well ?

Its more of a lifestyle choice rather than being forced into it.

Singapore is literally a douche bag with its excessive COE tax to even buy a car.

It is indeed sometimes a better option to take a car rather than the lrt, and it even applies in Singapore which has an excellent public transportation system in place.
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Any road expansion must cater transit lane, because in reality, even if you add another lane, the congestion will remain the same for two reasons:

- Klang Valley vehicle sales is very high

- In just few years, congestion will remain the same or even worse

A case study is in Bandar Utama. The overhead bridge on top of highway near Damansara Toll Plaza. It was 2 lanes, then upgraded to 3 lanes. Yet congestion is still chronic. A 2 km section may take 20 minutes just to clear the path which means even lane expansion will not cater traffic growth as well as solving congestion smile.gif

Government road planning is not known, though from what I gather, they are more interested in building bypass highways such as Damansara-Shah Alam Expresswawy, Kuala Lumpur Outer Ring Road, SKVE and so on.

On Federal Highway, some have suggested to build brand new Federal Highway on top of existing one, which I oppose.

I do suggest road improvement, but it must be planned to cater 20 years down the road, not just expand and end up clogged up in just 2 to 3 years, like what happened to most road projects in Malaysia, save for DUKE which is under-utilised smile.gif

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 30 2012, 02:00 PM)
will kampung be the 1st to board the BRT bus when intro in Sunway?
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Hope so in 2014.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 02:01 PM)
What I meant was more of a 2 way expansion.

LRT / BRT will reduce congestion. (It may lower the number of cars on the road)

Expansion / New highways will increase the capacity of the roads.

Both are options to reduce traffic congestion, and I believe that it will actually work without the need for COE tax like Singapore.

Its more of the government actually putting this kind of forethought into their planning rather than looking at having small wins to win the heart of the people for election. smile.gif
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At the end of the day, I believe best practices from cities which are well known for transport planning must be followed. This includes whether the solution can cater future traffic growth say 30 years down the road.

Just want to warn that lane expansion will not be able to cater traffic up to 10 years down the road if the propensity of driving car remains unabated. A clear data already suggests 3 million cars entering/exiting KL daily. Lane expansion on one highway won't cater extra 100,000 cars. However, even a simple monorail which occupies less space can easily accommodate 120,000 people (on 4 car KL Monorail).

So I believe we can follow Shanghai and Singapore. Both cities, while doing piecemeal upgrades on road, their investment on public transport is much higher and paramount.

Ironically, Penang future plan may include a combination of public transit improvement as well as highway improvement. But highway improvement will be piecemeal while greater emphasis to be planned on transit.

So I believe, whoever wins, most likely they will choose the more efficient method.
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:14 PM)
1. no Public transport near house..complain..
2. got one near house.. oso complaint.
3. implement 30 billion project songlap
4. implement low cost project like.. stupid.. ahahhahahahaha

there are few suggestion like to do elevated BRT lane at federal.. but cost is too high.. else it  replicate KTM komuter route...

they try to take stadium shah alam parking space as a park and ride.. huge parking space under utilize.
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KTM can be further improved biggrin.gif

Many of the stations has 3 or 4 tracks.

Petaling has 3 platforms.
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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
In federal highway, will they take one lane from the current three or will they build another lane for BRT?
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Actual layout for federal highway BRT is not known (not yet released).

However, in The Star saturday news, SPAD said got people opposed to it.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
but malaysian mentality is to always hog and drive on a bus lane. first important is enforcement
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This is BRT, different from normal bus lane biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:26 PM)
that means the road is separate from cars biggrin.gif  drool.gif  ??
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:33 PM)
1 car 1 passenger..
1 motor 1 passenger
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1 bus got 50 to 60 passengers thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:39 PM)
What about upgrade motorlane at FederalHw, to BRT. Add elevated motorlane (MCRT), ontop of BRT?
lower cost? compared to elevated BRT.

motorbikers get nice view like a bawse, with elevated MCRT. Accident, also fly like a bawse.
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Hard to comment anything unless I can see the federal highway BRT plan smile.gif
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:42 PM)
anything elevated will add tremendous cost
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If elevated, the price advantage of BRT diminished and might as well get LRT.

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