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Geek Goblin 123
post Aug 15 2018, 02:03 PM

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If you have the time, stay awhile and read my post…

I am one of those members who was so badly brainwashed by Mc-Ocean that I became their pawn for 2 years. I even achieve the status of KP, and then I quit because I finally wake up and see that everything was a COMPLETE LIE.

When you reached a higher rank like CKP and then KP, only then many things start to surface out. Then you realised that YOU GOT SCAMMED, BADLY! But it is too late to escape now with so many active downlines under you and when you are a fulltimer (you need your downline to make money to survive).

Some lies that you will not be told about Mc Ocean during the “3 Stages of Filtration Process”:

1. The interview (1st stage) is a complete BS! – 100 ppl who goes there, 100 of them are invited to the office to see the Marketing Plan. Why? Because the Uplines are always desperate for income, I mean seriously DESPERATE. Many KPs and PPs never make money for months straight.

2. KPs make RM 20k – 100k every month, while PPs make RM 100k and above – This is the WORST lie I am forced to tell my downlines and others! In our Mc-Ocean monthly Income statements, our income was faked with a RM 20k boost. If I make RM 1k that month it will appear as RM 21k instead in my statement to "prove" that I made RM 20k EVERY MONTH.

In truth, many KPs makes less than RM 20k every YEAR. Why? Read No. 5.

3. If No.2 is correct, why so many KPs and PPs are driving BMW and Mercedes? BECAUSE THOSE CARS ARE NOT THEIRS, BUT A RENTAL. They just renew their rental every year.

During KP meetings, KPs are constantly pressured by the Princes (No name mentioned, just know 1 is an Indian man and the other 1 is a arrogant Chinese, both names start with “S”) to rent a fancy car to make yourself look “RICH & SUCCESSFUL”, so SPs will aspire to recruit more downlines and then you can increase your Sales.

4. A lot of KPs and CKPs and even PPs got to this position by buying SPs. Yes, I was 1 of them being conned by my upline to buy SPs to hit quota and get promoted. He told me that I should be KP fast by taking more Bank Loans and said that I can afford to pay them back with my RM 20k – 100k monthly income. In truth, your upline KP is even poorer than you, with hundred thousand to million ringgits of debts.

(Do not be deceived by the recent 2 PP that he is rich, both of them took out heavy loans to buy their KPs so they can be PPs)

5. Hidden cost in this biz – This is very technical and only those who are SP and above will understand what I am saying. In short, for those that haven’t join this scam and planned to, DON’T, JUST DON’T.

If you have attended the final session of the 3rd stage (aka MNU), which is called Y33. They will show you a “Financial Planning” which show how by just recruiting 1 person every month you can make 5 Figure Income as a SP. Let me just be frank, this is a complete lie because:

a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:

RM 3400 – RM 1900 + RM 532 (a little rebate from your SP’s 33% rebate) = RM 2032 only

Logically, can you survive with this income every month as a fulltimer?

b) You can EITHER make money from your RECRUITMENT OR SPGB, not BOTH. This is the biggest lie that your upline KP will NEVER tell you unless it happened, and you question them.

Yes, this is true. Yes, let’s say you recruited 1 friend as SP and your friend recruited 2 friends as SP:

What Mc-Ocean KP will tell you in MNU:

Your income = RM 4000 (from your recruitment) + 2x RM 1700 (from your friend’s 2 friend) = RM 7,400

What actually you make:

Since RM 4000 > 2x RM 1700.

Mc- Ocean will ONLY give you RM 4000.

So far from the RM 10k, 20k & even 50k that they portray to you.


c) SP Generation can only last for 5 generations, NOT 10 as what was presented – You can only earn from your 6th to 10th Generation’s income when you recruited your 6th SP. What the upline KPs always say is you only need to recruit 5 person and you can make “Passive Income” for the rest of your life is just nonsense. If so, why the KPs now are so desperately recruiting for themselves? No money mah…


6. This is your own business, you can do it anytime, how you like as you please... ... MY ASS!

The truth is, KPs and above all have KPIs they have to meet every year, including 1 of them, having to suck up to their upline PP. If the PP dislike you then that is it, your KP/ PP position is at risk to be terminated due to not recommended to stay.

That is why the KPs are all obedient lap dogs of their upline PP, licking their balls wherever he goes. How different is Mc-Ocean to employment world, where you have a boss on top of you that boss you around?

Here is worse, because these upline PPs will make you do tell lies, cover up truths, destroy a certain member's network etc. And you cannot say NO, if you do then you are next in line to be terminated.



I see the forum is only talking about victims of RM 2k or losing their RM 35k. This can talk down new people from joining Mc- Ocean but it cannot convince many existing SPs to stop what their doing. I hope this insight can share a new light to the darker places of Mc-Ocean. All these lies are always not told to you or even your friend who introduced this biz to you.

When you start questioning your uplines, only then that KP will reluctantly “REVEAL” these revelation to you…

I was one of those being lied to again and again by my upline KP, who used my Trust, my Hopes and Dreams as a weapon against to make me run this business and make them richer.

Because of Mc-Ocean, I am drowned in RM 100,000 worth of debts and I have lost so many of my friend's and family trust towards me… I hope this can help to convince you, say NO to Mc-Ocean!

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post Aug 15 2018, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.World Weary @ Aug 15 2018, 03:27 PM)
Now this is really CRYSTAL CLEAR, about the hidden truth of mcocean's ugly mlm business practices.

Geek Goblin 123 by far you are the only ex KP revealing so much insights here. Can you advise us is there any valid proof / obvious business misconduct of mcocean and Steady Dynasty that you can find during your tenure there? 

I know it's hard to have because all these business practices or scam is done by "Word-of-Mouth", thus very challenging to proceed to next level. I'm asking just in case there are some keyboard warriors simply accuse ppl making up stories or nonsensical statements here.
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I am afraid I do not have, sorry.

That is why all Mc-Ocean Upline KPs and PPs are trained to scam through word of mouth.

I am sure many SPs are not aware of this until it happens to them, only then your KP be like "uh, ah, actually hor... " That was what actually happened to me when I questioned my upline KP. And I am expected to lie the same lie I am lied to to my downlines.

If you have any SP friend still in Mc-ocean, you can ask them are they aware of these things? I am sure a lot of them will say NO.



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post Aug 15 2018, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.World Weary @ Aug 15 2018, 04:26 PM)
Understood. Thanks, it's so damn true, SPs who are aware of this would have quit to reduce further damage, the rest are just pity zombies trapped in this petty mlm world, know nothing about real business but just pitching the same stupid script hoping to lure new SP.  puke.gif

Do you have any insight about the loan sourcing?
You may refer this post by McoceanSatishCon in page 44:  https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=88464741
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My upline gave me a contact of this "Runner"/ "Banker" called Ramesh (His contact Number is: 010-2124251).

As per what @Mcoceansatishcon said, the following day, right after MNU. We are told by PP and Upline KP to do sourcing with those positive prospect immediately (they are now in a drugged stage of excitement, which the "fire" will die in 48 hours).

We will 1st go BNM to print the prospect's CCRIS then we will snap a photo to be sent to Ramesh. Then he will advise on what can be done, need or don't need to do adjust the CCRIS Score.

If needed to be done, we will bring the prospect to a Hong Leong Mach or RHB Bank (both are in Klang Area) whereby Ramesh and his gang will adjust the prospect's CCRIS score to get a maximum amount of loan from HL Mach, the balance his peers at RHB will loan. So in total they will make the prospect loan (RM 36,000 + 6% which is around RM 2160) = RM 38,160.

HL & RHB approved loan will take less than 1 hour to bank into the prospect's account. Once prospect get the loan approval SMS, KPs will ask prospect to withdraw RM 2160 to be given to Ramesh as commission.

Then the "Runner' job is done, the balance will bring prospect go to nearby bank to make Bank Drafts and then immediately buy products to "Seal the Deal".

At night will send you for training at SD Office to give you "confidence" to run the business.

A few things that PP and Upline KPs will teach you to do:

1. Be "nice" to new SPs for 6 months so they will not withdraw.
2. All SP must buy the water filter and must install as soon as possible. So if they withdraw they cannot return the water filter. Reduce the refund needed to return by uplines when a SP withdraw.
3. SPs are our "money making machines", so no matter what must make them pay up RM 35k to become a SP.

That is how Mc-Ocean Practices the brainwash. Keeping you high in excitement so you blindly do as the KPs say, without knowing that you are already in a scam.


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post Aug 15 2018, 10:01 PM

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MNU, the last event was a brainwash session, where upbeat musics are played, alot cheering and dancing by the so-called millionaires, testimonies after testimonies by KPs to psycho you to believe everyone can do this business and dropping RM 35k to their pockets is no big deal, you can easily earn it back within 6 months time.

The entire event is setup just like a motivational speech seminars, the speech, the way the members are taught to cheer, the music, the flow are all to make you believe you can do anything (I would call this being HIGH, not POSITIVE as they put it).




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post Aug 16 2018, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(blueterry626 @ Aug 16 2018, 12:50 AM)
I went to viva home last week,met my ex upline.
He warned me don't disturb his team party and ask me get lost from oldtown lol...
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Mc-Ocean's Theme is "We Care, We Share"...

I guess we can see how much of a hypocrite your upline is.

In any case, he has no right to ask you to leave. If he dares to, feel free to complain to the Old Town White Coffee Branch Manager that these people are hogging the seats and chasing you, a customer from entering their store.

That was pretty much how Mc-Ocean members are being chased off from one Old Town White Coffee & Paparich to another.
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post Aug 16 2018, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.World Weary @ Aug 16 2018, 10:03 AM)
Awesome sharing, wow they are so "powerful and magical" to adjust the CCRIS. Wondering which magician banker they "cooperate/pakat" with.
Let's try question those lawyers in mcocean about this? brows.gif

How about loan for those fulltime KP and PP if they need it (obviously is to buy more SPs and renting luxury cars as revealed earlier)? Logically it will be harder for them to get more loan, since they are not salary-based and some even have more debt as u mentioned.
I know and remember that they have their own "financial planning" and can only share to you when u reach "KP' ranking. What is that?
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@Mr.World Weary, KPs get to take loans because they are not using their own credentials to get it (use individual CCRIS score), rather using their "company's credential" (Mc- Ocean Account) to apply for BUSINESS LOANS. Business loans have longer & more flexible payment terms and lower interest rate, so I am told.

As long as they present 6 months of consistent high income with their Mc- Ocean Account, to the runner, the runner can apply his magic to apply business loans from 1 or several banks (not limited to HL and RHB only).

KPs who apply this are usually those who wanna get the deposit to rent their BMW/ Mercedes, or about to challenge to be PP. If they do not have consistent high income for 6 months, what will happen is they will get PP to pump in money to the KP, then the KP use the money to buy loads of products, so the purchase rebates will appear as their income for the following month. Then when it is closed to 6 months, they will abuse the 6 months return policy, withdraw all the products back to Mc-Ocean, return back the money to the PP.

With that, their business financial statement will appear every beautiful for them to apply for more loans.

That was how the Indian PP S. pumped one of his leg, CKP J. to become KP J., same tactic used by the Chinese PP S. pumped KP A. & KP MK..

(if you do not know what am I talking about, it is OK. I am referring to how the 2 latest PPs got their position by pumping their downlines.)





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post Aug 16 2018, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(joshuain9 @ Aug 16 2018, 12:05 PM)
Thank you for reveal all the darkness, especially the point 5(b) is the terrible fact i never heard before. And i haven't hear my introduce upline complaint about it yet, maybe their change the rule& regulation, i not sure? If now this rule still existing i believe it will be strongest point to let those existing member quit the fxking dirty game.

Because the truth that revealed here, i realized that losing RM30k is not the worse thing, it's NOT WORTH to let yourself from victim turns to accomplice, to sell your soul and heart to cheat you beloved friend and family, and let them getting to deeper hole and you getting to more deeper hole by bearing scary debt.

Now i finally make a decision and make withdraw, and i prepared i can't get back my money in the end.
And a little add on to tell:-
When i go to do withdrawal and asked the Mcocean manager when i can get back my money, he said it will return the 32% that Mcocean take after 30 working days, the remaining balance will ONLY return to me when all of my uplines got sales, they directly deduce from it and pass back to me
Then i asked if the worst case happen, my upline have not sales to let you guys deduce, what will happen that time, may i ask Mcocean return the remaing part to me? He said, oh~ it's none of Mcocean business anymore, from beginning joined the black&white clearly stated Mcocean only take 32%, 68% go to distributor. So if the worst case happened, the thing only can do it's just give a letter to request their return money, of course i still may personal go to ask those bunch of upline refund directly  rclxub.gif  mad.gif .
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@joshuain9, let me firstly say I admired your courage to withdraw. I really wished I had that courage in the beginning 6 months in this Scam. I had the intention to do so back then but I did not because no one told me I am in a trap.

The point 5 (b) is still happening as of now, its just that very few SPs voiced up about it only when they saw 4k in their account or when their KPs talked them down. When I found out about it, I was not happy that I did not get the income that I expected. But it took me awhile to connect the dots... That this means that Y33 is a BULLSH*T!!! Then now that you know, do spread this out to your SP friends to be aware of this.

Yea man, you can only get back the 32%, minus the RM5.5k rebate and GST some more, it becomes a petty number. The rest you have to demand your uplines to pay you back.

But nevertheless, you still get something to minimize your monthly installment, in my time alot of my network left the business, having to suffer payment of RM 1k+ every month because they left Mc-ocean late. Turn away as soon as possible, you are in a legalised scam business.

Just an advise, if your fear that you cannot afford to pay RM 1k every month for the next 5 years, do not be ashamed to seek help from AKPK. They can help you lessen your installment burden without you declaring bankruptcy/ blacklisted. That was what my downline told me when we met again after quiting Mc-Ocean.









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post Aug 16 2018, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.World Weary @ Aug 16 2018, 12:27 PM)
Same feeling bro.  innocent.gif 

Good add on, see this is how it works. When they recruited you (usually prospects are emotionally distracted due to certain soft points), and when this situation arise, Mcocean will claim that this is NONE of Mcocean's business, how ridiculous is that?  Because the founder or whoever related has designed this procedures in this "smart" way, which these are all related to legally approved and audited business operation matter. In bigger picture, it might seems unfair but quite undebatable, a.k.a loopholes.

Is there any possible way for you to get the "black&white" to be posted here? or maybe directly question the manager to provide it.
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It is all written in the GP Form that you signed during the 2nd stage. You can get it from mc-ocean counter bro.
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post Aug 16 2018, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dinasaur33 @ Aug 16 2018, 03:45 PM)
Just for your info.
They no longer TP at Viva Home.
It might be just the coffee session / private lesson after event.

New TP is Tuesday (Wisma Scope - Paparich & Starbucks) and Friday (Sunway Geo - Flower Girl)

Wednesday board game seems like very seldom go Jungle City in Kepong. Now more on Rendezvous in SS15.

Saturday 1pm till late is AR session at Publika.

Friday 11pm - 1am and Sunday 10am - 2pm / 1pm - 4pm, sports at Sunway Extreme park
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U mean Saturday 1pm till late is VR session at Publika?


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post Aug 18 2018, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 17 2018, 10:07 PM)
Do u mean the kp use their own name to loan and give it to the SP?
Which mean sp will get the 34k product without forking out a single cent since the loan is on the kp name?
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Usually when a KP buy an SP, that SP is someone close to he/ she, that just act as a dummy SP (i.e: will not be active in the business).

For example, the indian PP S back then when he only a SP, he has 4 SP under him, so he short of 1 SP to become a CKP, what he did was that he loan RM 34k and register his own mother as his 5th SP. Then used his mother's account to buy RM 34k products. Then his mother is now an SP and S got 5 SP under him to be elevated to CKP, which he will rely on the 4 SP's network to push him up to become KP.


He is the 1st to practice this, then comes a series of KPs and CKPs all follow his practice:

Chinese PP S 5th SP was his wife, other KPs are their brother/ sisters, parents or their BF/ GF.

Technically this is not illegal to Mc-ocean because they only see the RM 34K sales they make. But the practice of making a member to loan another RM 35k when he is still paying off his RM 35K, is despicable and heartless! Not like those A**HOLE KPs will help the CKP to pay off the RM 70K debts after 6 months, and even after 6 months, that new RM 35K he will not get the full amount refunded too!

So when this backfires, the CKP not only unable to become a KP, but ended up with now drowned in RM 50K at least worth of debts!




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post Aug 18 2018, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 18 2018, 05:14 PM)
Seems to me that the KPI is just a hoodwink and eye wash to make the KP's and new recruits think that their performance for sales is being measured but in actual fact it is not since everybody needs to take loans and spend a specific amount to buy their products, before disposing of them by conning the people closest to you into buying them.
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Not just Sales Target, they have to be trainers and speakers for those brainwashing talks, and lastly being recommended by their PP.

In other words, you have to be PP's obedience DOG. Anything he orders you to do, you must do. If 2 consecutive years a KP did not meet his KPI, he will lose his KP position.

So much for FINANCIAL FREEDOM, PASSIVE INCOME and BUSINESS OWNERSHIP that they always promise new members ... All bull sh*t.

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QUOTE(Dinasaur33 @ Aug 19 2018, 01:50 PM)
I very agree with @GeekGoblin123 that KP don't really earn so much as they claim to be.
Maybe some of them yes.

I found those so called "millionaire", they are very particular on food price.
They even can order "soup noodle kosong" amd said it is very cheap to eat this for RM5, as the soup taste the same. Well, the normal seafood noodle is just only RM 13 per bowl......

Sometimes after event or training, they will go cafe or restaurant for sharing session (or whatever brainwashed session), the KPs can order one food, and two people share it.
Well, last minute they just claim they are very hungry, suddenly cannot eat so much? Even keep curi food from richer KP.
I don't think a set of food cause RM 15 is expensive, especially for those earning RM 20k people.

And there is also a KP, keep mentioning the partner just change phone to P20 pro, WITHOUT THINKING! Keep saying that KP is earning so much, so can affort to buy the phone. Bla bla bla...
I don't think RM 3.5k is expensive for people making RM 20k per month. So, you don't need to keep mentioning that.
I am not earning RM 20k per month. But, if not because of this business cause me lost so much money, I also can buy iPhone X without doubt. (I am bearing the loan RM 35k, and don't know when can I clear it. Sad.)
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@Dinosaur33, you are right, their behaviour is what made me very sure that they do not RM 20k - 100k per month as they brag. I know of a KP that steals money from other KPs purses or eat other member's meal during gatherings. Everytime say "We are family", "Bros must share share", "He's very economical" etc...

As for the products:

1. Enertri = Rice
2. Enerfiber = Fruits and Vegetable
3. Ener369 = Mangosteen
4. Enerbest = Barley

Yeah of course it works, AREN'T WE EATING THESE EVERYDAY OF OUR LIVES? WHY DO I NEED TO SPEND AN ARM AND A LEG TO BUY THEIR SH*T?

NOTHING beats natural stuff, if want to be healthy, just buy FRESH from the market and exercise. Way way better effect that those overpriced processed crap they sell!

Back then I have been fighting to lose weight. I tried the Enerbest. I drank so many tins to replace my meals and my weight just cannot drop. Because of consuming only these products, my body do not have the sufficient nutrient and I always get sick easily.

Now I am eating regular meals and exercising daily. I have not been sick for a very long time and my body has toned up.

Who needs their sh*tty products to be healthy?








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QUOTE(Vinsmoke Reiju @ Aug 19 2018, 06:38 PM)
thanks u for the input.. really2 appreciate it..very valuable info.. very hard to find kp or ckp reveal the truth.. and i have few queations if u dont mind i asking..

1) lets say this month, august, only 1 SP  register under a KP network.. how much that KP can get?? (with no KP under him/her)
2) same scenario for 1 SP, how much that KP will get for KPGB (provided has 1 KP under him/her)
3) based on ur point, there are times where the KP cant even earn 3k per month??
4) for LTT training?? what do they do..? they all said doing stuffs we didnt like so we will immune to negativity..??

hope u can clarify these stuffs. i know some SP will lurk here to see lies behind these so called false promises.. if they read, they themselves will quit and remind their partners too...
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Hi @Vinsmoke Reiju,

Here is what you should know:

1) Like i said, you can ONLY profit from either OVERRIDING or Generation Bonus. So if there is 1 SP, the KP will only get either 3% Overriding or (SPGB + Contribution Bonus of 2%)(Whichever is higher, but not both).

i.e: 3% of RM 35k = RM 1k

SP lets say is the 1st Gen, then RM35k * (5+2)% = RM 2450 (this will be the income of the KP)

U can see, the Contribution Bonus is rigged as such that KP can only earn from the Generation Bonus, which means he must pay Maintainence (1800BV). Mc-ocean always must profit from a KP EVERY MONTH.


2) KPGB is like SPGB, but only 7% distributed for 5 Gen only, i.e: 3%, 2%, 1%, 0.5%, 0.5%.

If the SP is the 6th Gen of yours, your SPGB = 0 (If you have 5 SP Downline, can only capture 5 Gen of SPGB.)

And this SP is the direct of your KP, i.e: 1st Gen KPGB, therefore RM 35k * 3% = RM 1000

Note: KPGB got its own maintenance amount. I do not know the amount as it was hidden from me and I have no KP under me before I left.


3) Yes, true. Lesser after deducting the Maintanence.

You can calculate by yourself in your Group Chat, how many people signed up as SPs. To make RM 20K do you know you need approximately 10- 20 people to signed up as SP (this value varies as it depends on which Gen also).

If a KP show you that he made RM 20k ++ income from his Mc-Ocean Account. DO NOT BELIEVE IT AT ALL. The income was PUMPED UP (+ a RM 20k fake boost to make it looks so) .

Just another revelation to all, when you become a KP, you have to attend a "Angkat Sumpah" ceremony. Suffice to say, it is to make you swear to keep adhere with all the dirty tricks OR risk being blacklisted and losing your KP position and Mc- Ocean membership. That is why so many KP just keep doing it because of fear...


[They have all become full timers, left employment for too long, and piled with debts. They are pretty much Stuck with Mc-Ocean until it collapse.]

4) In LTT, the PP and KPs involved will give you the ultimate brainwash session to become numb completely from the truth and blindly follow whatever direction Mc-Ocean is heading.

- For 3D2N you will be constantly screamed at and yelled at by the PPs and KPs as "Stupid, Selfish, Idiots, all the vulgar words you can find in Google will be used on you". Everything you do in every activity is wrong and you get yelled at for everything.

- The 2 nights you will be 100% deprived of Sleep. They say you need to use that time to do your Group Chear and Color your Team Flag. In reality this is to weaken your Mind Barrier. Your ability to reason and differentiate right and wrong is greatly reduced, which makes it easier for them to brainwash. You will be turned into someone who would do whatever it takes to achieve your dreams, even if it means stepping on other people's dreams, backstabbing, using other people. After all, you feel that there is NO RIGHT & WRONG in this world.

- And like 3D, they will psycho you to believe Mc-ocean is your saviour. You must protect it at all cost from negativities and must follow it wherever it goes. You will feel as if you cannot live without Mc-ocean and want to give your life to protect it.

Sounds very much like a Agama Sesat right?

The 3 days was a torture for me when I would not give in to whatever the PP yelled and forced me to do. Although they are just acting, what the true motives behind their activities made me even more in conflict inside.

Will I be willing go to that far, lying to my downlines, giving them false hopes just so they will trust me and dumped in RM 35k just so I can make a good income to buy whatever I desire? Even do that to my closest friends and families?



I hope this helps. I would appreciate that you share this out to your SP friends. Believe me when I say, that your Upline KP will wait until LAST MINUTE, when it happens to you (like maintenance) , only then will they reveal it to you. If you do not question them, they will keep it hidden from you until forever.


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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 19 2018, 09:32 PM)
If that the case then they need to find 20 sp to get earning 20k per month

35k * 3% = 1k

How much is the SP and KP monthly maintenance?
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a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:


@Mnet it is written in my explanation.


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QUOTE(Vinsmoke Reiju @ Aug 19 2018, 11:32 PM)
for billboard KP, my guess is KP that HAVE results?? and if billboard, still possible that less than 10K?

but somehow is quite strange that my KP is listed before, but her upline KP is not...
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The Billboard itself is just for show only.

There were times when the Sales of Mc-ocean was so low that those that only have gotten 1 SP in their network can be in billboard.

Also, additional info, if the KP got a new CKP under him/ her. HE/ SHE WILL DEFINITELY be in Billboard. Doesn't matter his/ her sales.

Back then, 1 of the Chinese Woman KP took advantage of this to hit billboard every month. Every month, She persuade one of her downlines with 4 SPs to buy their 5th SP by taking another RM 33k Loan. So of course when the SPs did so, they become CKP, which in turn made her to hit billboard consecutively ever month. That is why is her network she has very few KPs under her but dozens of dead CKPs.

In truth, she only have 1 SP worth of Sales.

FUN FACT: Did you know that hitting Billboard is also 1 of the KPI of a KP? All the more motivation to convince SP to buy SPs.


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QUOTE(Vinsmoke Reiju @ Aug 19 2018, 11:21 PM)
I see... thanks again for the input.. btw, does even among KPs' dont sit down and discuss about this issue? or is it consider as taboo??
no wonder they claim there are OVER 800 KP in malaysia but the truth is what i can see there are so little KP that currently active.. those few that currently available and doing training.

even in jb network, ONLY less than 5 KP are there to manage. in group chat, sometimes there are NO new SP register during that month..

btw, what ,specifically activities will do at LTT? if any SP ask, they all just tee up tee up say 600 but worth more than RM 6k training.. for goodness sake.. that 600 worth to do a lot of things..even holiday plane ticket..
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@Vinsmoke Reiju, when you are at CKP/ KP level and you have attended LTT. That was when your upline KP and PP will reveal their true colors to you. Unlike back in SP days when your KP and PP always smile in front of you and sweet talk you, they will be rude and harsh to you as if you are trash.

They will openly scold you and threaten you with losing your KP Position when you fail to do what they want. They suddenly become disrespectful and rude, sometimes even attack you in the Whatsapp group chat to pressure you to do something.

That was one of the reason why I woke up, so all the things we experience during SP time is just a Drama, all fake acting only.

At KP level, you will find lesser and lesser "team support" exist. You cannot trust your upline/ sideline KP because they will report whatever concerns you shared to them to the PP and then the PP will get you into private talks to psycho you. They will label you as a negative person just because you have doubts or speak up against what they did wrong.

So yeah, its quite a POLITICAL DRAMA up at the top, not as sweet as during SP & GP... 180 degrees OPPOSITE!



As for your LTT question, its been years ago so I will just share the activities back then:

- All the PP doesn't smile at all, all looks angry.
- PP will make you write all the title you have in your life (KP, Occupation, Level etc), and then order you the tear the paper and throw into the dustbin.
- No more "Apa Khabar Semua" cheer, all prohibited throughout the 3 days, no more PP and KP calling, all trainers are known as TUAN/ PUAN.
- Have to practice Group Cheers, paint your poster to advertise your group and Flag. But you got no time to do it except after 11pm.

Day 2
- Early morning need to present your cheer, advertisement and flag. Then all team get scolded badly for doing a lousy job. Some hardwork are being destroyed by trainers before your eyes.
- Then 1 by 1 those members/ team that was caught going back into the Hotel Rooms to sleep are being scolded. Saying their lazy thats why created such terrible results! Their expectation is that all members must stay awake till morning to finish up the painting work. We are ordered to rework everything on the 2nd night. Any group caught sleeping will be punished.
- Activity #1: Trainer will physically push you down to the corner, rudely shout at you with harsh words like "you're useless, you don't amount to anything etc". All you can reply is "buang!" (Throw away) to resist all the "negativities".

- Activity #2: Build your dream Mc-Ocean Office... and then get stepped on by the Trainers. Trainers will destroy your effort right before your eyes so members will start rioting to protect their work.

- Activity #3: Find your team mate - 2 of your teammates are hidden somewhere in the hotel, you have to look for them AFTER dinner. But when some teams went for dinner, they were yelled at for eating without the entire team present. Then the trainers will make you feel bad for abandoning your teammates and eating by yourselves. Calling your team a bunch of SELFISH LOSERS.

- Activity #4: Bankruptcy game - All the points in ALL teams will be drained to ZERO. And then the Team Leader is forced to call out 2 people in the team to be sent home & considered that he or she did not complete LTT. Then the chosen 2 will be put on stage to be publicly humiliated as SELFISH & COWARDS who chose to run away, the Team Leader will be shamed for making poor decision to choose those members.

[In truth I was more than happy to get out of this stupid camp, wasted my time and I am really sick and exhausted. But instead of sending us back, the trainers just shuffle us into different groups... F*ck.]

-Activity #5: Complete the puzzle: Each members are given a set of puzzle, but you will realised your puzzle can NEVER be completed. Only way you can complete it is by breaking the rules and work with your teammates by exchanging puzzle pieces. You get shouted at by Trainers but you have to keep on breaking the rules.

[Members are also given the option to give up the puzzle and just go back to their respective tables, only later to get scolded (as expected) for giving up.]

- At 11 pm, all member stayed back at Hotel Lobby to complete the Flags and Posters and Team Costumes. Not allowed to sleep until the next morning.


Day 3
- Activity #5: Auction House - With the points you earned you have to bid against other teams to win a certain assets. If you have not enough points you can borrow from the bank.

In the end, everyone wanted to outbit each other, all teams will be in SUPER HEAVY DEBTS to the bank. So in order to win, ALL TEAMS MUST GIVE UP their fighting and competing and unite as 1 team SD.

- Then seeing this the trainers start to smile back and they start saying how hard it is to act angry la and apologize for all the rude things they say la, etc... BOOHOO! dry.gif

- By end of Day 3 your upline KP & PP will be there, to console you and then further brainwash you into believing in the Mc- Ocean Culture & Team, as if it is a Paradise for the hopeless.
- It was late at night after Day 3 of LTT, so a group of 4 of us ended up have to rent a Hotel Room and dropped asleep right after shower, slept until noon and then check out and leave Johor back to KL.




So there you have it. Most of the activities of LTT I could recall. I missed a couple of things, but mostly that is it.

My suggestion is, don't even bother to go LTT. Its just another 3D but worse. EVERYTHING is about psychoing you to BLINDLY BELIEVE IN MC- OCEAN and give your upline KP and PP and free pass to scold you and disrespect you in future.

[You will notice the way the KP treats people that attended LTT and those that did not VERY DIFFERENTLY.]

The only reason your upline KP persuade you to attend LTT, OR ANY CAMPS IN FACT, is because they have committed a certain amount of attendance expected in their networks and paid for it beforehand.

If they committed 10 people, they have paid RM 600 x 10 tickets = RM 6,000 to the PP.

So they are finding people to fill up only. Of course they get upset and start to become Hard Selling to you when you are expected by them to be going for LTT but you decided not to go... Then comes all the Tee up crap, keep bringing people to talk you into going.

Hope this helps to clarify things for you Sir.











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QUOTE(blueterry626 @ Aug 21 2018, 10:29 AM)
in 3 months of this business,
I had brought 3SP and 1 GP into this mcocean.

at early stage,1 sp tell me this is a lie, and I tell her she is wrong. We had a big debate session and end up she quitted.

1 SP do not come to office frequently, not sure she still doing or not

1 SP is about to challenge CKP this month if she managed to find 1 more SP ( I knew this because he find me yumcha last night)

1 GP used all the products and jumped to Amway ad

I myself ad paralyzed with MLM, now plan to take some cooking class and focus on culinary arts.

the money I loss on the member fees, bank interests, laser tag, those "acting luxury" yumcha session will be a painful lesson for me...there is no shortcut to be rich, earn experience slowly and you will worth that money
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@blueterry626, better that you warn your SP friend not to buy his 5th SP in order to challenge... Alot of my peers did not make it doing so.

Did not managed to complete as KP, network crashed and now drowned in RM 70K debts. They have to suffer paying RM 2k + every month to the Bank for 5 years, no thanks to Mc-Ocean.
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[QUOTE]@Devilwearsprada22, as a trainer of LTT & 3D you do not get paid at all. Like in all events, the CKP and KP in charged (PICs) have to fork out their own money for EVERY expenses. Only stuffs for the events are claimable but always they ended up OVER BUDGET and they will ask you to consider it as a donation. I have so many bills that I could not claimed back since I was a CKP...

Funny how stingy they are when they are making RM 20k - 100k as they brag, but cannot even give me back a RM 100+ claim, isn't it?

Its like this, when you are good at a certain thing during an event, the PP will choose you to be the PIC of that thing forever. And he will choose you and set the date when you are the PIC without your consent. Talk about slavery...

As for major events like CNY, Hari Raya & Deepavali, all the product gifts are from our own. PP will force all KP and CKP to donate their products to become gifts to the public.

And then, the event flow never change and always THERE WILL BE ONE KP THAT HAVE TO DRESS AS THE BAPUK/ DRAG QUEEN to be emcee and he have to make himself very Slutty like a whore in front of hundreds of people. So shameful and debasing themselves like dogs trying to win the master's attention.

All the while when the PICs are running around to ensure everything goes smoothly, the PP will just sit back at the "Guest of Honor" table chating and laughing his head off.

Click the link below to check out the DRAG QUEEN KP (His name is Yu Jin) sell himself like a whore during the recent Hari Raya Event:

https://www.facebook.com/yujin02/videos/vb....2274573/?type=3
SHAME!


The Drag Queen, "KP" Yu Jin took down his FB video of himself... biggrin.gif

https://www.facebook.com/yujin02/videos/vb....2274573/?type=3

Too ashamed to show the WHOLE Malaysia what you are willing to do to make money in Mc-Ocean? icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif



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QUOTE(blueterry626 @ Aug 21 2018, 02:17 PM)
for me, I now enjoy my new job in bank
but still, some colleague who joined MLM trying to ask me to join
seem they duno they are making the boss of MLM company richer instead of themselves

one of my GP, who ad quitted, try to expose the scam tactics used by mcocean in Facebook and instagram
and now she is warned and threatened by those mcocean KP
those KP said will make police report and accuse her for sharing the false info

come on, y u mcocean ppl so scare people discuss u on internet? only those who had done something dirty scare to be exposed under the sun
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@blueterry626, wow your friend had a very bad experience in Mc-ocean.

Nevertheless, she did the right thing. The KPs are just afraid that her exposure will ended up to the right channels like KPDNKK.

If they have nothing to hide, why are they so afraid of being exposed, right?

Hmmm...
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QUOTE(luzdeexpo @ Aug 21 2018, 06:10 PM)
Yup, that's the way McOcean operates  doh.gif

Events, Ppl talking cock (making a lot of money)

Fancy nonsense term (network franchising, indirect sale)

These CKPs and KPs are trained very well to :-

- sow doubt into your mind
- break down your ability to think critically
(of course working world is not easy,
but they fail to highlight all the shortcomings with McOcean (Overpriced product, Maintenance, Events you have to pay for)

With all the people inside interacting with you during the events and at every stage;
they create a fake environment into fooling you that you can trust this people.

There will be a lot of fake promises,
like they will all be there for you and make sure you will be able to make back your RM35k.

Truth is...after you put down your money, you are screwed.
The first month they will try their best to help you so that you can bring in more people.

If you don't bring in people after 2 months,
they will deem you useless;
they will then use you (make you pay for events like MNU, become adviser for Round Garden, ABP and sharer for Team Party)

For those of you who just signed up as Star Premier,
Get out as soon as you can.
You will be able to get back some of your hard earned money.

If you choose to stay, thinking that this is the way to go,
Sad to say, you are wrong......I am speaking from personal experience as a ex-CKP.

Going down this path, you will have to :-
- cheat and con your friends/family members
- lose some of your close friends
- sacrifice your precious time with your true friends and family
- endure late nights which take a toll on your health

There is no such thing that
you will reach a point where you no longer need to do anything and money will just keep coming in.
If there is no recruitment in your network, your income is 0.

That is why a lot of KPs and CKPs go missing.
The business is not sustainable.

The KPs and PPs will go all out to have all kind of events and training,
Network Meetings, to spread "positivity" , "motivation";
which is all just bullshit.

They just want you to go and recruit more people;
so that they can continue making money using you.
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Well said, @luzdeexpo! Totally agree with you! thumbup.gif

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