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 I want to buy a decent acoustic guitar, Martin or taylor?

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post Jul 11 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 11 2012, 05:25 PM)
Oh, they have Martin? I thought I saw Martin in guitar collection.. Guess I'll have to shop around...
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Sorry, not sure about martin though,, I think they have Ibanez,,

What about epiphone j200,, looks like gibson sj200,, My friend got it and the design for me is pretty,,
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:10 PM

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Considered a Maton?
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 11 2012, 02:13 AM)
Hi guys, I've played guitar for more than a decade now and I've been using cheapo acoustic guitar all these while. The most expensive acoustic guitar I own was rm400. I've finally decided to buy a decent acoustic guitar for myself. But I have no idea which to choose. My budget is below rm3000.

Ok, I know this is what I want

1. Grand auditorium
2. preferably solid top, if not full solid.
3. With pickup
4. Standard size, no baby or travel size

My list of choices would be

1. Martin 000x1AE - solid top, laminated mahogany side and back - rm2999
2. Taylor 114ce - laminated top, side and back (if not mistaken) - around rm3000

Or I'll go for not so famous brands but full solid

3. Farida R-52e - solid spruce top, solid mahogany side and back - the non electric version is priced at rm2080 so I assume the electric version would be around rm2800
4. L.luthier - solid spruce top, solid mahogany side and back - rm2800

My question is, is brand really that important? Should I go for a branded entry level or a not so branded but with high specs...
Any suggestion would be much appreciated. Thanks
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Uh Taylor guitars do not use laminated tops. They're all solid tops as far as I can remember. The 114ce should have a solid spruce top with laminated sides.

If you want that extra bass in your strumming, then Martins are the way to go.
Taylors are traditionally known for their bright, fingerpicked sound.

That being said, I own an OM-1 (Solid top, solid sapele sides/back) and my god the mids are crazy clear. Absolutely a match for the Taylors.
I got it for around RM2000 brand new on eBay. Best deal I've done in my life. thumbup.gif

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post Jul 11 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jul 11 2012, 10:58 PM)
Uh Taylor guitars do not use laminated tops. They're all solid tops as far as I can remember. The 114ce should have a solid spruce top with laminated sides.

If you want that extra bass in your strumming, then Martins are the way to go.
Taylors are traditionally known for their bright, fingerpicked sound.

That being said, I own an OM-1 (Solid top, solid sapele sides/back) and my god the mids are crazy clear. Absolutely a match for the Taylors.
I got it for around RM2000 brand new on eBay. Best deal I've done in my life.  thumbup.gif
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thats super cheap bro, very good deal

and to ts, if u don't mind a slightly lower resale value , u can try MATON or FARIDA. These both are good acoustic brand as well just that its not really popular in Malaysia and many ppl dunno bout these brand. I tried Farida D62E before. One of the best acoustic i ever tested compared to Taylor 214CE. I tested only these 2 high end guitar myself and i loves the neck feel on the FARIDA and the warm tone rather than Taylor bright tone (could be string differences), if u r worried bout resale value then u better get TAYLOR

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post Jul 11 2012, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(intel_centrino @ Jul 11 2012, 11:43 PM)
thats super cheap bro, very good deal

and to ts, if u don't mind a slightly lower resale value , u can try MATON or FARIDA. These both are good acoustic brand as well just that its not really popular in Malaysia and many ppl dunno bout these brand. I tried Farida D62E before. One of the best acoustic i ever tested compared to Taylor 214CE. I tested only these 2 high end guitar myself and i loves the neck feel on the FARIDA and the warm tone rather than Taylor bright tone (could be string differences), if u r worried bout resale value then u better get TAYLOR
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I've heard rave reviews for Farida guitars, but i'm still not buying them xP

Matons are crazy good guitars, too bad they're damn expensive, even in Australia. I stay less than 20km from their factory but their prices are still hiked up to match the Martins and Taylors. vmad.gif
I REALLY REALLY like the Maton EM325C, but it's too expensive for its specs IMO.

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post Jul 12 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jul 11 2012, 11:50 PM)
I've heard rave reviews for Farida guitars, but i'm still not buying them xP

Matons are crazy good guitars, too bad they're damn expensive, even in Australia. I stay less than 20km from their factory but their prices are still hiked up to match the Martins and Taylors.  vmad.gif
I REALLY REALLY like the Maton EM325C, but it's too expensive for its specs IMO.
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MATONs are not really well known in Malaysia, ppl scare to buy MATONs here. In Malaysia, preferable brand are more towards Taylor. Many church players that i know said TAYLOR is the best, They never heard of MARTIN also. Even in forum, 2nd Taylor is easier for sales due to the famous brand.
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post Jul 12 2012, 01:55 AM

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Where Can I get maton in Malaysia? Never heard of them. Oh so Taylor is bright sounding and Martin is more bassy? I'm looking for bright tone actually.

But looking at it again, I think Taylor is way too expensive. Coz Martin's price is only rm2999 (retail) solid top and 114ce is rm3300 (discounted) solid top also.

Brand wise, I like Martin more than Taylor.

I've narrow down my choice to Martin 000x1ae and l.luthier bayou. I'll check out farida and Yamaha as well.


Added on July 12, 2012, 1:58 am
QUOTE(joyyy @ Jul 11 2012, 10:58 PM)
Uh Taylor guitars do not use laminated tops. They're all solid tops as far as I can remember. The 114ce should have a solid spruce top with laminated sides.

If you want that extra bass in your strumming, then Martins are the way to go.
Taylors are traditionally known for their bright, fingerpicked sound.

That being said, I own an OM-1 (Solid top, solid sapele sides/back) and my god the mids are crazy clear. Absolutely a match for the Taylors.
I got it for around RM2000 brand new on eBay. Best deal I've done in my life.  thumbup.gif
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Since u own a full solid guitar, do u mind telling me the difference in solid top and full solid guitars? Are there any big differences? Thanks


Added on July 12, 2012, 2:03 amSorry guys, one more question. Which part of the guitar determine the tone of a guitar? Top or back and sides? I notice most guitars uses spruce top but various side n back. The well known ones are mahogany, rosewood, sapele, and maple. Anyone knows the tone of those woods?

This post has been edited by hey_there: Jul 12 2012, 02:03 AM
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post Jul 12 2012, 10:14 AM

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basically, the whole part of the guitar determine the tone for it. Normally ppl will said Mahogany sounds warm, Maple sounds bright
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didnt know bentley carries martin.
also, taylor is solid top


Added on July 12, 2012, 11:15 amJee, search Taylor. I remmber they had a very comprehensive pdf file that compares all the body shapes and explains quite well. Also comparison for wood type (for each part) and how it affects tone. Sure its generic but enough for you to compare pro and cons of body shapes and wood used if diff places. applicable for any guitar.

am at work so cant access my home computer for that file.

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post Jul 12 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jul 12 2012, 10:58 AM)
didnt know bentley carries martin.
also, taylor is solid top


Added on July 12, 2012, 11:15 amJee, search Taylor. I remmber they had a very comprehensive pdf file that compares all the body shapes and explains quite well. Also comparison for wood type (for each part) and how it affects tone. Sure its generic but enough for you to compare pro and cons of body shapes and wood used if diff places. applicable for any guitar.

am at work so cant access my home computer for that file.
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Thanks will do
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post Jul 13 2012, 03:38 PM

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Feel free to try out Cort guitars too,
tested one AS-M4 that day, damn they
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post Jul 13 2012, 04:20 PM

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Hi OP, if you are curious about woods, this article might be useful...

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Feat...wood-0401-2011/

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post Jul 13 2012, 05:10 PM

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I just noticed that the Martin 000x1ae uses richlite for fretboard. Hmm....it's not wood.
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post Jul 14 2012, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 12 2012, 01:55 AM)
Where Can I get maton in Malaysia? Never heard of them. Oh so Taylor is bright sounding and Martin is more bassy? I'm looking for bright tone actually.

But looking at it again, I think Taylor is way too expensive. Coz Martin's price is only rm2999 (retail) solid top and 114ce is rm3300 (discounted) solid top also.

Brand wise, I like Martin more than Taylor.

I've narrow down my choice to Martin 000x1ae and l.luthier bayou. I'll check out farida and Yamaha as well.


Added on July 12, 2012, 1:58 am

Since u own a full solid guitar, do u mind telling me the difference in solid top and full solid guitars? Are there any big differences? Thanks


Added on July 12, 2012, 2:03 amSorry guys, one more question. Which part of the guitar determine the tone of a guitar? Top or back and sides? I notice most guitars uses spruce top but various side n back. The well known ones are mahogany, rosewood, sapele, and maple. Anyone knows the tone of those woods?
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I cant really tell you the exact difference as I only own one full solid top guitar in my Martin and my other solid top is a Cort so it's not really fair to compare.
But I'll tell you the difference my two guitars have.

My Martin like I've mentioned before is bright and has very sweet mids. Before playing an OM sized guitar I never really knew why fingerpickers preferred OM bodies, but now that I have, it's clear to see (or hear) why. The mids and highs are just not as muddled as dreadnoughts. As an example, I've a friend with a Martin DCX1E dreadnought. While it's a great guitar to strum, even he agrees that for fingerpicking my guitar wins.

My Cort doesnt have such clear mids and highs, but it has that extra bass that I always enjoy after playing on my Martin for a long time. I wont be getting rid of my Cort anytime soon though, it's my first guitar and will always have a place in my heart xD


Added on July 14, 2012, 6:20 am
QUOTE(hey_there @ Jul 13 2012, 05:10 PM)
I just noticed that the Martin 000x1ae uses richlite for fretboard. Hmm....it's not wood.
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Dont worry too much about that, it still sounds great. Unless you're a die hard wood-or-nothing person

This post has been edited by joyyy: Jul 14 2012, 06:20 AM
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post Jul 15 2012, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jul 14 2012, 06:18 AM)
I cant really tell you the exact difference as I only own one full solid top guitar in my Martin and my other solid top is a Cort so it's not really fair to compare.
But I'll tell you the difference my two guitars have.

My Martin like I've mentioned before is bright and has very sweet mids. Before playing an OM sized guitar I never really knew why fingerpickers preferred OM bodies, but now that I have, it's clear to see (or hear) why. The mids and highs are just not as muddled as dreadnoughts. As an example, I've a friend with a Martin DCX1E dreadnought. While it's a great guitar to strum, even he agrees that for fingerpicking my guitar wins.

My Cort doesnt have such clear mids and highs, but it has that extra bass that I always enjoy after playing on my Martin for a long time. I wont be getting rid of my Cort anytime soon though, it's my first guitar and will always have a place in my heart xD


Added on July 14, 2012, 6:20 am

Dont worry too much about that, it still sounds great. Unless you're a die hard wood-or-nothing person
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Thanks for sharing. Guess I have to go test it out.


Added on July 15, 2012, 11:06 pmI just came back from Bentley and guitar collection

I tried the Mexico made Taylor 210ce priced at rm4100. Feel wise, it's nice and comfy. The guitar sounded very sharp and nothing impressive. The sound is not much different with rm700 guitars I've tried.

So I went on to try the US made 416ce priced rm7890. It sound much like an expensive guitar. I can hear the mid and bass clearly. Kinda like it.

Then I go to guitar collection, try out a US made Martin om-1 priced rm4600. The sales person said it is a full solid. And it's much warmer compare to 416. Both with their own unique sound.

I prefer the om-1 due to its warm and natural sound. Not too bright and 'twank' sounding. The pickup version is priced at rm5580 which is rm2300 difference compare to Taylor 416ce.

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post Jul 16 2012, 02:21 AM

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good research, it shows that u really know what u wan already, to me, its easy to find a bright full sounding guitar but its never easy to find a warm but not muddy sounding guitar
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post Jul 16 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(intel_centrino @ Jul 16 2012, 02:21 AM)
good research, it shows that u really know what u wan already, to me, its easy to find a bright full sounding guitar but its never easy to find a warm but not muddy sounding guitar
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I agree.
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:21 PM

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Wish i can own a martin guitar wub.gif i heard tat they have no competitors in US, the only competitors is their own vintage guitars sweat.gif

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id say, Taylor is a lot more high-end than martin.

anyway, strings play important role too.

so not much diff in terms of sound from either two guitars,

u shud use Elixir strings.
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QUOTE(noonies_naruto @ Jul 18 2012, 10:38 PM)
id say, Taylor is a lot more high-end than martin.

anyway, strings play important role too.

so not much diff in terms of sound from either two guitars,

u shud use Elixir strings.
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bro, i second ur statement that taylor is a lot more high-end than martin, they both are around the same level but taylor is more widely sponsored or used by celebrity. And there are very big diff in terms of sound from that both guitar. I've been hearing bad review from a lot of ppl regarding the tone sucXing from the elixir...heheehe

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