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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V25, Drive Saga Like a Boss!

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davidke20
post Jul 14 2012, 05:10 PM

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400'C in the combustian chamber... blink.gif I just can't brain how 25W65 engine oil can stand those heat biggrin.gif regardless, I'm still changing oil every 5k laugh.gif my Ipoh mech uses Duckhams SAE40 changing it every 3k, and surprisingly his changed engine oil still transparent shocking.gif What's wrong with heavy oil in Malaysia? RM25/gallon, 2 months 3 bottle only RM75 bucks. Engine is clean and safe laugh.gif

By the way, any of those FSB TT attendee driving their GT500 GaGa to warmup their tyres? flex.gif again I'd like to mention, no effect on normal driving until your car going to lose control whilst cornering!
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post Jul 14 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jul 14 2012, 02:59 PM)
huhuhu. how you will know which mine?  biggrin.gif
no.plate belum taruk lagi  doh.gif
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hmm.gif comes to think of it, your SA also quite a xin ga lan wor, such a weird theory. However I think I'm another bigger XGL. Plain XGL, never have a 1st hand petrol leaking experience before, so if you choose to look see what I have in mind, read on.

If you know how is the high quality NGV being produced? Everyday millions of gallons of crude oil being transfer via pipeline from Alaska oil foundation back to the States. In between the transfer, evaporation occurred, part of the precious oil has become GAS. Oil company will suck out those gas halfway at the pipeline and further refine them for road vehicle use. So, our car also produce NGV everyday when the petrol in our tank evaporize, that is the air pressure being release "psssttt" everytime you open the fuel cap to fuel up.

Now, if you leave more space for the petrol to evaporize, do you think the air pressure will be less than if you pump full tank? yawn.gif on the otherhand, the fastener has a locking mechanism ON the fuel hose. Besides, the hose end joint also has a knot that will jam the hose from ejecting. If it leak, it leak; if it doesn't, it doesn't. Meaning that if it doesn't leak, it will last for a very long time until the hose start to hardened and crack. So far all my cars only my 1973 MAZDA RX-2 leak petrol before. Lately I just rechecked my fuel line of my Iswaga(1996) and those hose are still in working condition. No sign of hardened yet smile.gif

So, choose what you want to believe lar. My dad bought his Wiga, immediately full tank. My bro bought his BiBa, immediately full tank. My aunt bought her Elite, I also full tank it when we go take car together. What about other GaGa owner?
davidke20
post Jul 15 2012, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 14 2012, 08:27 PM)
2nd review of the FSB. I will start by disagreeing with David that you will only feel the difference when hard cornering tongue.gif

Well he is partially right, you won't feel much when going 50-60km/h on a relatively straight road, but going 60-70km/h on a moderately twisty road, I felt that the front end is more obedient, it is easier to stay in the lane without much steering adjustments.

What delighted me more is when I made a 60km/h corner, not very fast, but everytime I attack that corner at 60km/h I will cringe a little. But not today, I took it at 60km/h, I feel more confident that I can go even faster!

Maybe the bodyroll is reduced, maybe the steering has become vastly more responsive and precise. I don't care if I can't find words to justify that feeling, but like +newbie+ said, I'm in love with my Saga again  wub.gif

Anyway, just for discussion's sake: since FLX springs are stiffer, would it result in the chassis actually flexing more than the BLM/FL?  that's why a FSB/RSB reinforcement will be more noticable in an FLX than a BLM/FL? hmm.gif

Pictures to come soon  thumbup.gif
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Errr... frankly I dunno whether its affected by RSB. If you remember I did mentioned I put on RSB already damn happy with the effect, then only I install my FSB blink.gif So, it could be causing by too much RSB effect that blinded my FSB's effect. Don't forget what this man told you:

QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 19 2012, 10:42 PM)
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3MAX 3 point rear strut bar. Highly recommended. Sapu corners with the ass more in check... thumbup.gif
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Also, I have no such improvement on any other of my cars with FSB. My other cars felt absolutely normal even with the FSB blink.gif or may be I'm numb already. My original idea of getting FSB + RSB is to keep my car in shape even if I torture it. Am now hoping to fit a 3MAX bar on my Iswaga, which chassis already slightly compressed. Honestly, I already have a piece of 2 point bar for Iswaga that couldn't fit in.

Back to GaGa, the day I installed, front & rear wheels are all inflated 9 9. After do some reading, I reduce rear tyre pressure, the car now can take sharp cornering without moving the ass out ady.

May be its about time to go back to ULAR liao whistling.gif Some other upgrades that 3MAX don't wanto make for me.
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post Jul 15 2012, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 15 2012, 12:04 AM)
Not shooting you tongue.gif just sharing what I feel different from you, but like you said la you installed RSB first, so different situation.

BTW, like you, I also install the bars to keep the car in shape as well, not just for the handling. If budget permit, I *may* do the side lower bars.

Anyone with experience with fender bars?  hmm.gif
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My ex-colleague did it for Wiga 1.8, he claim increase horse power wor whistling.gif Set aside those jokes, I more concern in getting the room bar though. Plotong still owe us the side impact crash test video mad.gif Anyway, lately fall in love with front wheel drive drifting after my GaGa changed characteristic laugh.gif Most of the time I've been watching these stuff:



Or may be I should just go and do this laugh.gif


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post Jul 15 2012, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 15 2012, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jul 15 2012, 12:02 AM)

Lol,sorry,when i m working i am dat serious....btw,there is another bulk with v12 geh,since tis bugger is in penang enjoying his food,lols...if got 4 buyer then can ad...maybe 3 also good enuff ad,hehe,regarding the postage,i need to ask ex salesmen how they post it,i got no idea wei....to zerone,maybe u can organize a bulking since i pretty sure dat they will feel not syok on the rear part ad after installing fsb,hehe
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U knew this would happen, didn't you icon_question.gif
Oh sorry, I tot BLM SE is auto oni tongue.gif
What's wrong with that? whistling.gif

My best is 15.4km/l la, just short of your best tongue.gif
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Now you see what happen? He keep on asking me to put FSB first, but I insist to take the RSB and ciao because I'm in a hurry last week. Later after I tested the RSB, I cum back ask him faster pasang FSB, then only he said sked me later komplen FSB does nothing. Already knew its his marketing strategy ler shakehead.gif
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post Jul 16 2012, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jul 15 2012, 06:19 PM)
Fyi me using Denso Iridium 4abt 7k Km oledi.  tongue.gif
As Bro dares posted (pls see below), there's NO noticeable performance gain to driver...except mayb its longevity of use?

Added on July 15, 2012, 6:28 pmps. In such scenario, feel best 2hv new set Spark Plugs 4each 20k Km rather than the same ole set for 100k Km...tongue.gif
True?
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Err... sparkplug works BEST when it was in half working condition blink.gif Don't need to believe me, most your mech doesn't use the filler gauge to tune your sparkplug ignition clearance before they screw the holes. If you keep doing that, whilst getting near to 15k you start to feel the car save petrol(when the gap become wider), suddenly you changed to new plugs(tighter gap) and the car eat more petrol again laugh.gif

QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ Jul 15 2012, 10:30 PM)
wow, penjam celik thread already 33% capacity

btw davidke20 unker, i envy you, almost everyday something adventure happen with your Saga
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You wouldn't believe what happened to me yesterday as I didn't log in whole day, which normally not happen to me. Even my wedding day I'm still checking back regularly blink.gif Just mark my word, grab those FSB/RSB. It's not about budget anymore, its about what can it do during emergency.

QUOTE(dares @ Jul 15 2012, 11:48 PM)
There is a storm coming ph34r.gif


Added on July 15, 2012, 11:49 pm

Ooo..quite far eh  sweat.gif
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Unless Wednesday evening in Sri Petaling, rest of the stuff I can't attend. Sorry guys.
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post Jul 16 2012, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jul 16 2012, 10:03 AM)
no need to wash lar.. u c my car getting grey color already...wakakkaa
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Mine wash eberiday, but still become yellow blink.gif I go ask the workshop that paint ma kar in March why like that... They say ICI is like that de wor doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif should have maintain the original paint and polish it back instead of respray the car with ICI shakehead.gif
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post Jul 16 2012, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2012, 10:37 AM)
You wash car everyday  shocking.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Yes from 20/3/2012 up to end of May, when I find the car very yellow so I stop washing much liao sad.gif Which is also why you guys surveying around my car ask me whether it just got out from factory bcoz its even cleaner than a showroom car(that was my 1st TT with you guys at Sri Pelating) shakehead.gif now no heart ady. Wash it may be once aweek lar. Haiz
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Jul 16 2012, 01:09 PM)
I wondering what happen if install rsb  wub.gif
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When going through pot holes, instead of swaying the car will jump like a rally car

QUOTE(mieza @ Jul 16 2012, 02:27 PM)
dun make too many TT coz want to kumpul duit for rsb  unsure.gif
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Try to enjoy more with your FSB 1st, after RSB is on, you'll lose everything.... may be should use all the better improvement of FSB will be covered by the RSB!

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 16 2012, 02:28 PM)
No wonder my consumption's shot up recently
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Bear with it for awhile, after 2~3 times engine oil changed it will back to what you've previously expected. Next time don't simply change your sparkplug if there is nothings wrong with it. My case is different, already flooded with carbon, clocked 19k km.

QUOTE(r3apers @ Jul 16 2012, 02:43 PM)
tht day u said wan... after RSB u wan to put extra bar...

thn which wan u wan to install?

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All of them + room bar please. Expected installation, Thursday maybe. Can help me to hook up with those people?

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 16 2012, 03:14 PM)
I think your hypothesis sounds very logical. Softer springs = less force transmitted to chassis = less flex.

I tried paying more attention to the handling during my drive today to the UM exam hall and back. Perhaps it rides better over bumps (less wobble) but unlike the FLX owners I can't really feel much difference, especially the steering. I remember zukjka mentioning that the steering was heavier immediately after a short slalom run along the road laugh.gif Maybe I'm just not driving it hard enough hmm.gif

Unker David, if I ever get to meet you before I move back to Penang I'll let you have a go and you can then tell the difference between FSB only and FSB+RSB
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*NOT POISON* thank you for the offer, in return I let you try FSB+RSB. What day you're more free in the evening around 4~6pm? I stay Bandar Sri Damansara, RM1.60 x 2 toll I can still afford to pay you a visit.

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 16 2012, 03:29 PM)
Front end more solid hmm.gif Haven't had chance to do really hard cornering. Lemme test summore first. Did you say you wanna organise trip to Ulu Yam? icon_idea.gif
blink.gif And prolly burn my clutch too doh.gif
Yup like the others said, no difference while parking.
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1) Any bars installed in the car will only show difference when chassis load
2) Clutch is wear & tear, I will not push it like Kenjilew's ride
3) Any kind of strut bar/room bar/under bar/upper bar/roof bar/chocolate bar, parking no effect. Parking speed is only 10km/h or less(not include Marhaihai) Unless you weld your differential togather/change to 1 way LSD, it will take you 1/2 hour to do parallel parking.

QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 16 2012, 03:33 PM)
hmm ok 

any ppl installed full set of fsb, rsb, fender etc which having this issue?  hmm.gif
or only certain part of above will effect this issue?
sry i noob icon_question.gif
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Soon... stay tune

QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 16 2012, 03:34 PM)
i cannot brain about this question..

let say.. turbocharge manual.. usually when we change sure got blow off valve sound.. pssstt pssst oor whoosh whoosh..

same as well for 4AT .. once the gear change.. the blow off sure make noice..

but how about our cvt? does the blow off valve will activated. i didnt feel it change gear also..

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 16 2012, 03:42 PM)
so we still can install blow off valve but if we need the blow off sound.. we need to lift off the throttle?

but why i saw 1 exora BOT.. when the guy press only.. when the gear change.. the kepiss kepiss sound got?

i didnt see he lift off the throttle also ..

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Heard CFE with 4AT, ECU also control throttlebody to shut when change gear.

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 16 2012, 04:53 PM)
Uncle David wanna buy FLX manual anot?
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jul 16 2012, 10:35 PM)
ok, i got 1 extra flx se PU spoiler on hand wanna let go, item is new. special let go price for serious buyer. im leaving serdang quite soon so dun wan keep stuff around my current home. anyone interested can cod with me during TT (if the satey kajang TT is ongoing and the time is just nice).
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Tempting....
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post Jul 17 2012, 07:02 AM

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Moaning guys yawn.gif yesterday was crazily fast, very hard to catch up with your super speed posting
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post Jul 17 2012, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 17 2012, 07:42 AM)
Wadd?
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blink.gif heard it the otherday at convoy, my friend's friend said his perve already SQVed, when change gear that time got QING QING sound wor. He was saying those system cum with auto throttle cut off when change gear, to protect the gears from high torque wor. Is that what it means blink.gif I didn't pay much attention lar, just listen oni. After convoy the dugong he ride involved in a serious accident, didn't have chance to further understand from him.

P/s: eh, I think I myself got confused, pever is CVT mar, how to change gear blink.gif or does it really cum with 4AT?I'm confused blink.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Jul 17 2012, 10:14 AM)
Like biggrin.gif Normally what I do is, when behind car get close to me I will break more.. How to go fast when got car in front? Cucuk no point cannot go further.. Sometimes, people want to potong me, I will pecut more until he canot potong.. Like I said, how to go further when got car in front.. Semua org nk cpt bkn u sorang je..

If I'm in not a good mood, I will go to the left line, pecut and potong2..
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WTF shakehead.gif doh.gif next time if see tudong driber in FLX SE either dun go near or lap yau speed past shakehead.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 17 2012, 10:30 AM)
sometime will encounter this kind driber
i will neither play nor cucuk them
just shift 3rd gear and floor pedal to left lane, after overtake few car only go back to right lane

if not traffic jam of course  blush.gif
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shakehead.gif if that's your mentality, you're already lossing out your gentlemen style. I guess Mieza will do exactly the same, either she blocked your way/she ditch you big time/or you ram into her butt GaGa's bum.

My advise is, keep a safe distance to cucuk. When diong near ady, let go abit. If she trying to outrun, take your time to diong near again. Don't over take her smile.gif give her pressure lagi siok. You sure have that kinda experience when you think you're fast enuf to ditch someone, later the sohigh catch up on your butt again. Worst is when you give way, the bugger doesn't overtake continue follow you closely brows.gif

Next time if you see Iswaga on your tail that diong but doesn't overtake, just relax brows.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 17 2012, 04:05 PM)
If ppl diong me closely + highlighter me at behind, normally what i do is neither pickup or slow down or move lane, i will slightly touch the brake pedal, let say 5 times in 10s just to activate the brake light, then the sohigh behind will slow down and no dare to diong anymore... laugh.gif
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I diong quite far, so have not worry much for braking distance. HOWEBER, if you see an Iswaga with fake self painted defuser with lots of calar at rear bumper, you're advice not to follow close/diong smile.gif by the time you react on the brake light you'll probably be lossing your NCD ady laugh.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 17 2012, 07:11 PM)
Me too.
Me!
2-3 times means 20k-30k km. That's a long time more! sweat.gif

It's all part of the 40k km service. I think I've been using these all this while. How long do they normally last?
Not really free this week. Will let you know smile.gif
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There is no hardcore proof of how long sparkplug can last, also depending on driving style, petrol quality, compression quality, air quality. Basically if sparkplug gao dim ady, you'll have the hutan bakar thing like ma kar. But hor, lu men rush into kongkusen say the spakplak KO liao, 1st check the air filter loh. If the air filter too laa sarm ady also will hutan bakar geh. If everything check but the car still jerk and blow smoke, then only check your spakplak lar. If the sifu geng enuf he will calibrate your copper/platinum to an efficient gap. Dun ask me what's the gap, I'm not that geng yet. If I ever change plug, I'll be expecting the plugs being run in within 15000km.

The back of ma kar got a huge plaster after injured by other motorist, if u see me give me a honk!
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post Jul 17 2012, 11:33 PM

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As long as the viscosity above/matches engine designated lubrication will do liao lar blink.gif not meh?
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post Jul 18 2012, 06:14 AM

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QUOTE(WinDu @ Jul 18 2012, 12:43 AM)
hi, has anyone faced problem of the clock of saga flx always become slower? eg. when i set the clock 5 min earlier but eventually it become the correct time then eventually it becomes 5 min late? any solutions?
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Send back to SC ask them change the clock or repair it blink.gif or you can....

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post Jul 18 2012, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 18 2012, 04:10 AM)
Wanna compare notes with those who just installed the FSB, especially zukjka and Mieza.

Do you guys feel any different when driving on a relatively straight road such as MRR2 / Kesas? The best I can describe is that the steering feels more sensitive than before, like a slight movement would cause the car to pull to one side. I knew FSB would increase steering response, but I didn't expect this on a straight, wide road. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I have to pay more attention until I am used to it  hmm.gif Seriously need to get used to the altered handling characteristics before plonking in the RSB.

I have not done a lot of driving this few days, let alone hard driving. But I can confirm that cornering definitely feels much more syok  thumbup.gif Honestly didn't expect it to have such noticable improvement, especially the reduced bodyroll  blink.gif  blink.gif

Tenkiu +newbie+ for poisoning me  wub.gif
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Waiting for Mieza & Zukjka confirmation. But I can confirm WITH RSB the car can drift laugh.gif until you reduce rear tayar pressure.

Luke is not free this week, but next week is the last week of July liao sad.gif not sure whether still got chance to trash a BLM SE with FSB sad.gif
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QUOTE(mieza @ Jul 18 2012, 09:17 AM)
Hi.. Almost 2 week my journey to go and back from work take about 90km every working day.. Before this I feel nothing special about driving on road.. But now after 3 working days, my journey seems very enjoyable and I drive in safe condition but unsafe act.. Talking about straight wide road, now I realise that I like to  turning to right line, and then go to left line after that go to right line again (it was so enjoyable cool2.gif ) because sometime left line faster than right line.. I already get to used to RSB just for 3 days huhu.. Yes, slight movement would cause the car to pull to one side.. It could be good thing but at the same time need to be careful.. Sometimes when front car make emergency break, I also make emergency break, it feel like steering turn slightly left, right, left and right.. It is true cornering feel more syok, sometimes I hate front car break break  doh.gif

Yesterday I was wondering false feeling could be very dangerous.. When I do cornering, I feel confident with my car but at the same time I wonder did the tires really cengkam the road..? How to know..? Recently raining makes road more wet and I kinda afraid do hard cornering..
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shocking.gif so fast sendiri go pasang RSB ady didn't let us know ka

That's NOT the false feedback, bcoz without FSB we've been influenced by chassis flex too much. The actual function of tayar traction is relatively hai. If tak cengkam, you'll feel the car sliding away(lateral force). As long as your tayar still cengkam, your radial force and fore force should be the only 2 things you feel(up/down/front/back movement). Lateral force is the left right shaking/sliding feeling.

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