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post Nov 30 2005, 08:45 PM

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yo, promoting japanese is the way to go in anime-shrine thumbup.gif
to speak japanese, get "Pimsleur's Comprehensive Japanese (Ogg)(complete)" from piratebay. better fast, coz only left 4 seeders.

and if you think you're "yabai" enough, get "Remembering the kanji" from piratebay to learn kanji.
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post Dec 1 2005, 04:46 PM

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wow! jhcj, did you study japanese before? thumbup.gif
what does An stands for? like you use for:
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Hajimemashite. An Jenkinsu desu. Dőzo yoroshiku
Kochira wa An Jenkinsu-san desu

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post Dec 1 2005, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Dec 1 2005, 05:09 PM)
He self-studies Japanese,like any other otaku would tongue.gif

Anyways I think the "An" is refering to Anne,Jap way of saying it smile.gif
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so desu ka? now look it over and just realise it. blush.gif
i also now learning nihongo smile.gif
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post Dec 2 2005, 01:27 PM

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your link for 2nd and 3rd lesson didn't work correctly. you should put at such:
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=224407&view=findpost&p=
the last part you should put the post number. example 2nd lesson = 5406900
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post Dec 3 2005, 07:29 AM

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from jhcj lesson4, asking name is "O-namae wa?". japanese has a tendency to not use the word "anata" or "watashi" and expect the listener to understand it. so in this case the"O" already represent as "anata"

watashi wa nihongo ga mada jo_te ja_arimasen. notworthy.gif
ja_mata.

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post Dec 3 2005, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Zeten @ Dec 3 2005, 02:27 PM)
watashi wa nihongo ga mada jo_te ja_arimasen. 

xxboxx.. it should be ' jyou zu ' not jyo te.. smile.gif
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i don't know the romanji for it, just shoot only tongue.gif
btw, i got it from online dictionary, it's either jo_shu, jo_te, jo_zu.
and seem jo_te sounds at most similiar. but it didn't got "jyou zu" like you said?

English>Romanji>English Dictionary
very good for beginner to find some words. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 3 2005, 10:06 PM

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hey, i think it would be much fun, and easier to memorize if there's some test for each lesson. so everyone that learning it could test if they remember it or not.

here's some test from lesson 3 that i make up:

1. how to greets good morning politely?
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2. what is "ja mata ne"?
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3. what do you say when someone say "Dőzo yorosh(i)ku" to you?
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4. how do you say " no, i'm sorry"?
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5. you thought the girl standing there is your friend, reiko. how do you ask her?
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6. continuing from no.5, how does reiko respond to you?
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some sifu's here who already good with nihongo could also put some test for us to try out. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 3 2005, 11:48 PM

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haha, well i'm quickly get bored if only reading the same thing over and over again. by trying to answer question makes it more interesting. and the spoiler tag is really a cool function for question-answer type. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2005, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Dec 4 2005, 07:22 AM)
I will try, but no guarantees wink.gif
besides, there are many ways to read unknown kanji on a PC
http://www.rikai.com is one of them.

my advice to those aspiring to learn a decent amount of japanese:
LOSE THE ROMAJI ASAP.... they don't give you a real feel for the words and there's too much ambiguity when it is used, as firstly, many japanese words already sound the same, and secondly, romanizing the words makes it worse: e.g.,  when you type "genin", do you really mean げにん「下人」(low-ranked person) ?or げんいん「原因」?(cause/source)?
Furthermore, everyone here seems to be using different romanization systems, which further adds to the confusion: e.g., jo and jyo are actually the same thing. jou and jő and jo- (conventions for writing long sound) also add to the confusion.

If you take formal classes, most teachers expect you to lose the romaji within the first 2-3 weeks anyway...

Besides, has anyone here tried to sing japanese karaoke using romaji? I can tell you it's a real b*tch to keep up with the words, and your phrasing will go out of sync  sweat.gif
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it's already challenging to learn the word, but to know the kanji letter as well? sweat.gif
how many letter are there to learn kanji/kana? beside, to know the letter you should also know how to write them. and tutorial how to write is not easy, you should know which line to draw first, and etc.
i think better follow how a child was taught. first parents teach how to speak, then later on only learn how to write when entering kindergarten.

QUOTE(jhcj @ Dec 4 2005, 09:50 AM)

8. You are out with Reiko, and you bump into another friend. How do you introduce Reiko to your friend? (This person is Reiko)
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i fail on the no.8 test. blush.gif need to memorize better tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2005, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Dec 4 2005, 04:13 PM)
tell me about. I'm still facing the same problem too. A common weakness of the malaysian style of japanese instruction is an over reliance on students' prior knowledge of written mandarin. This puts people like me (I don't know mandarin) at a significant disadvantage. it just means we have to work harder.
not just you, me too.

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kana: 50 x 2 IINM.
kanji: up to 2000 if you are aiming for lvl 1 (pre-university level)

correction: passing level 1 of the nouryoku shiken means having a proficiency equivalent to a high school graduate
so for kana total is 100 letter? that's still not too bad i guess. would learning kana be sufficient?

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unlike children, we already know our ABCs and how to write english/bahasa. there is a tendency to use that as a reference in learning japanese. unfortunately it too easily becomes a crutch that is debilitating to one's further progress. that is why teachers of the language eschew the usage of romaji.
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yup, because we have been accustomed to ABC thats why we tend to rely on it for learning japanese. but i think japanese, like any other language for that matter, are better to learn with hearing and spoken. even if you memorize the romanji, but when you say it if the sound doesn't sound like how it was supposed to, also not good. but romanji are still good for extra learning process. so keep on watching those anime to learn how the words was pronounced laugh.gif

btw, anyone can recommend me anime that's good to watch for learning nihongo? anime which has simple words and slowly spoken would be nice.
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post Dec 5 2005, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(ryosuke @ Dec 5 2005, 06:05 PM)
yaya i think is '' doumo ''  sweat.gif  sorry nvr learn jap b4 but very interested in jap..hehe  tongue.gif

the situation is like a man inside a room, then his friend went in, and this man said '' doumo'' .. blush.gif  so any senpai can help me ah??  notworthy.gif
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if not mistaken it can be used for greetings, instead of saying ohaiyo-gozaimasu or konichiwa you can say informally doumo. i think lar, correct me if i'm wrong.

QUOTE(320cbr @ Dec 5 2005, 06:39 PM)
btw, I personally think listening to dorama works better than anime
anime voice acting sounds over-acted at times sweat.gif
plus in dorama u can listen how they converse in real life
u'll notice the difference compared to anime
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ya, dorama they talk more naturally, with the politeness and all. if anime they tend to talk very fast. sweat.gif
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post Dec 6 2005, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Dec 6 2005, 12:03 AM)
Literally speaking, in Malay we use, "Silakan" for the meaning of domo. So, when someone comes in, we usually use "Sila masuk (or anything with Sila)" for formal way. Although we usually use, "Ha! Apahal?". laugh.gif
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it's not only for when someone walks in the room/house right? if meeting a friend anywhere also can use domo?
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post Dec 11 2005, 04:38 AM

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desu = am, is, are
but unlike english which "am, is, are" are put in the middle of sentence , nihongo put it at the end of sentence, thats why you feel you keep hearing it.

another common usage of word for ending is ne/nae (not sure the spelling), which is "don't you agree?"
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post Dec 17 2005, 12:09 AM

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i got a question for lesson 5:
"nan (sometimes nani) = what?"
is this the same as when saying "nanika=something"?

another question:
"watashi no(?) tokoro de" = at my house
is "no" the correct word for the romanji?

watashi mo(?) = me too
is it "mo" or "mok"?
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(jhcj @ Dec 17 2005, 09:48 PM)
Nan means what in English, so I'm assuming that if you combine that with the question word ka, you'll end up with Nani ka which means What is it?.
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"nan/nani = what", since "what" is already a question, can we still put "ka"?

according to my learning guide, "nanika = something"
it is used for such as: "nanika tabemas = i want/going to eat something"
"nanika tabemasen ka? = won't you eat something?"

so it seem nanika is not nan/nani since it got different meaning, or is it?
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post Mar 19 2006, 10:20 PM

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so jhcj, are your nihongo at acceptable level already? i stop it halfway tongue.gif but i'm still continuing on Pimsleur's smile.gif

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how do you spell "good game" in romanji?

thanks.

 

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