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Kanan Jarrus
post Feb 24 2016, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(airiholic @ Jan 18 2016, 10:20 AM)
あの男性はボブです。That guy is Bob.

There's no rule to when you should use kanji. You can write in full hiragana and it's still fine. Certain well known kanjis are written in kanji. Since pretty much the entire japanese population can read 男性, it is written that way instead of だんせい

Greetings are usually written in hiragana instead of kanji。こんにちは instead of 今日は
expressive terms like かわいい/カワイイ are written in kana to express how cute it is wub.gif . 可愛い seems more serious
some companies use katakana for their name; トヨタinstead of 豊田. Some use kanji; 三菱 (mitsubishi)

The more you familiarize yourself with japanese, the more you'll discover the small nuances of the language. It's something you'll learn faster when you discover it for yourself
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btw 1st thing; congratz on winning a study trip 2 nihon! biggrin.gif oh, i just curious, are you gonna study degree/masters PhD there? unsure.gif

i admire your ability to able to know when to use hiragana, katakana & kanji at different times, but how long you think a person need to practice 2 be able know the meaning of hiragana?? unsure.gif

that's because i can memorise & write some hiragana, but don't know the meaning, unlike kanji where at least I can guess it's meaning because i got formal primary Chinese education..

thanks in advance icon_rolleyes.gif
Kanan Jarrus
post Nov 22 2016, 08:56 PM

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err guys, can anyone help in guiding me in some particles in hiragana. My main concern is regarding the は(ha) particle. Because sometimes it's pronounced as (ha) and sometimes or frequently it'll be pronounced as (wa) when it's used as a topic marker particle right?? unsure.gif

Okay, for eg;

おかあさんはなすきです。(Mother likes flower)

1)In the above case, the is not pronounced as ha, but (wa) because it acts as a marker for the topic おかあさん, rite?? But, what if a person's name is, say, for eg; Hayako(はやこ), then if it's written like that then wouldn't it be read as "Wayako" instead?? unsure.gif When should it be read as "ha" and "wa" for ?

2) Based on the sentence above, is it okay if i were to simply write any sentence based on the model above, which is Subject-Object-Verb?? Like, if in English, it's He reads book, but in japanese it is "He book reads".. Is it alright??

3) Also, I've got a slightly long term route in self studying and learning Japanese, but I'd wanna know what is the best possible route since for now, I only know how to read hiragana, but don't understand it. Should I:

A) learn Katakana -> learn Kanji -> learn vocabulary -> learn how to form sentence
B) learn vocabulary of Hiragana-> learn Katakana -> Kanji -> forming complete sentence
C) learn vocabulary and also forming sentence in Hiragana -> Katakana -> Kanji

Which would be the best possible route so I'm able to quickly learn Japanese as a beginner? I'm at a loss lol sweat.gif


Kanan Jarrus
post Nov 27 2016, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 26 2016, 04:26 PM)
おかあさんははながすきです。

particle が must be used when expressing the idea of liking smtg.
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が, but why not を?? isn't を is used as object marking particles, especially when in this case the object is はな, regardless of whether it's an act of liking or not?

btw, can you tell me where/which website that you gain access to in order to learn japanese?? i wanna learn japanese as my long term activity
Kanan Jarrus
post Nov 29 2016, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(CallOfLegend @ Nov 27 2016, 11:58 PM)
Hope this helps. I also want to learn but i can't really concentrate. innocent.gif

http://jgrammar.life.coocan.jp/grammar/jgr_pcas.htm
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thank you soo much 4 the links, really appreciate it notworthy.gif

QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 28 2016, 05:54 AM)
I recommend using books, either Genki series or Minna no nihongo series. There are e-books you can download online.

'like' is a verb in English but in Japanese, it's an (な) adjective. So it doesn't take an object.
すしをたべる。I eat sushi.
きみが好きだ。 I like you.
はながきれいだ。flower is beautiful.
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got e-book version also meh???? shocking.gif walauweh I'm so late into the game

btw how did you learn for kanji ? most online resources point towards WaniKani being a reliable kanji online website for learning kanji, have you tried it before?
Kanan Jarrus
post Dec 5 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 30 2016, 07:18 PM)
I've never used that wanikanji.... just use the kanji exercise at the end of the Genki book. As with most foreigners, as long as can type and read, it's ok. As for writing, just know how to write the basic.

I only practise writing using the first two Genki books. When advancing to intermediate, no longer practise writing kanji. tongue.gif
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wah, so pro notworthy.gif

QUOTE(CallOfLegend @ Nov 30 2016, 09:43 PM)
Kanan Jarrus Tagaini Jisho is a windows app that has kanji stroke animated.

http://www.tagaini.net/
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thanks for the link, insightful indeed nod.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 30 2016, 10:03 PM)
Eh Katakana is the easiest, just remember how the symbols are pronounced. They're only used for you to identify borrowed words, that's all.

You can learn katakana along with hiragana.

kanji is part of learning vocabulary anyway, for example cat is when you read ねこ while in kanji form it is 猫, and it's also ok to use ネコ (katakana form) as well.

As for learning my problem now is I know hiragana but when combined - wth do they mean? It means ........ .I'm lacking in vocabulary so I pick them up as I learn.

Lastly sentence structure - learn along the way too, I try to read / listen as often as I can and attempt to understand / pickup.

Some books or even videos are very good at explaining sentence structures.
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lol, i'm the oppossite, hiragana is the easiest for me, and one of the reason i despise katakana is due to the huge similarities between katakana word so(ソ) and n(ン), and shi(シ) and tsu(ツ), well, actually i already got no issue with ツ and シ but ソ and ン really ticks me off lol. oh yeah and thanks for giving me tips on how to progressively learn basics sentence structures

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P/S: guys, i wanna ask you 3 this question(since you all know more than me about delving into japanese language studies), but the thing is, how you able to consistently study over a long period of time? in other words, what motivates you to keep on learning japanese language? unsure.gif

my concurrent problem is that i reckon i lack tangible rewards/motivations/goals to be able to keep me pushing my japanese language in the long run.. i never have a japanese friends, i do watch a little bit of J-drama but i think i need more than that in order to push me to learn japanese language, i never been to japan before etc... i realise that if i lack concrete aims or goals to motivate me in learning japanese, i will lack motivation to keep my drive going lol, so yeah it'd be great if any of you can shed some info revolving this matter sweat.gif
Kanan Jarrus
post Dec 10 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(airiholic @ Dec 10 2016, 08:39 AM)
Basically your 3 excuses (not problems) are

1. How to stay motivated
2. No friends, resources etc

Answer

1. What is your BIG WHY? Why do you want to learn japanese? Is it to impress chicks, to study in japan, being able to watch dorama without subtitles? Is it just a want, or a burning desire? Once you answer this. you'll find ways to motivate yourself

and you just answered yourself with the 3rd bolded text
2. this is 2016. We have the internet. we have skype, we have facebook.
go to facebook, look for malaysia-japan related groups, make friends. skype

and there are plenty of language exchange and language learning sites. google them
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thanks for the advice

i think learning Japanese for me is something like a soul-searching journey... haven't had any single concrete answer to it, it just clicked. it started off as a mild hobby and now with significant time and effort invested into it, I'd like to see how far can i go in the long run..

speaking of language learning sites, is taking JLPT test worth it? those who've taken it sometimes say that since it's mostly textbook-based, it's ways of getting people to study Japanese seemed too "dry" and mundane...

 

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