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post May 1 2007, 09:44 PM

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Wanted to know, what is the difference in Rams in term of those Buffered/Unbuffered, Registered, ECC and etc ? Are they usable on normal motherboards or they are just optimized for server?
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post May 2 2007, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(karom @ May 2 2007, 12:53 PM)
ECC is for Error Correction. You can check whether your ram have this function by navigate in memory tab on CPU-Z. It depends on whether you r mobo will able to use or not. Different mobo will have different spec and compatibility.
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Does this mean that server based ram can be used on desktop platform?I mean if i get those buffered, ECC, Registered etc, i will still be able to run them on normal desktop computer?
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post May 10 2007, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Charizard @ May 8 2007, 10:03 PM)
I'm noob to PC.. cry.gif  cry.gif There is something that I still don't understand. I checked my motherboad's characteristic online and it states that if I would want to add additional RAM (DDR), the preferable speed is PC2100, PC2700. However, what will happen if I couldn't get this type of RAM? Will the new RAM still work? And if it works, will it affect its  performance? I heard some people said if encounter problem like this, I can separate an empty slot between two RAMs, which means one old RAM, then one empty, then new RAM. Is it true?
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This really depends on your motherboard. In my oppinion, you can add other rams inside. IIRC, PC2100 and PC2700 should be DDR ram.Therefore, getting DDR ram would be able to function in your system. As in getting PC3200 to run together with the PC2700, it will but will run at a lower speed...
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post May 11 2007, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(karom @ May 10 2007, 10:12 PM)
Agree, by the default the frequency clock will follow the lower frequency clock.
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YEs, but of course, if you know how to overclock, you can always set it back to the higher speed one.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 12 2007, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 12 2007, 09:52 AM)
i asked around uncle akachester
ECC ram for servers are actually usable for desktop pc's
but they said it depends firstly on the motherboard
secondly, the manufacturer
u gotta ask the manufacturer for its compatibility

actually, i have been thinking of it ever since DDR memory was launched years back
but never thought of asking people...i mean ecc rams are expensive kan
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Wow..thanks for the info there. I never knew the difference between them. I always have a perception that server based ram are not compatible with desktop PC.Last time out when i was hoping to build a Xeon PC (just for fun), i always got to know that Xeon (server based) need to have a server mobo and rams. But when i got my Opteron (which is also server based), it does not need any of them..Which makes me wonder, what are the difference between those type of ram..Anyway, at least i understand about it now..lol..

P.S. I am no uncle..lol... cry.gif
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post May 13 2007, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(linkinpark @ May 12 2007, 03:39 PM)
I slot 4x512mb kingston(hynix chip) to my A8N-E mobo when i goto bios to check it run at DDR333 instead DDR400. When i pull out 2 of the ram and check again it run at DDR400. I want to ask wht is happening to the ram .
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Well, this might be a problem putting 2 pair of non identical ram to the system. Non identical means they might be of different revision, timing etc. Many factors are influencing it. Had this problem as well and i was trying different pair of rams last time. All you need to do is to OC the ram back to DDR400 and it should be working fine. Mine was also running at higher timing and lower Mhz last time when i was trying 2 different pair of ram..


QUOTE(viqq @ May 12 2007, 03:46 PM)
A buffered(a.k.a PARITY) RAM module is very similar to a registered module. Buffers re-drive the signals through the memory chips and allows for the module to be built with more chips. Buffered and unbuffered memory chips cannot be mixed. The design of the computer memory controller dictates whether memory must be buffered or unbuffered

Registered RAM modules contain a register chip that delays all information transferred to the module by 1 clock cycle. This type of memory is primarily used in servers and was designed for modules with 32 or more chips on them to help ensure that data is properly handled.

ECC (error checking and correcting) memory performs double bit detection and single bit correction. This means that if you have a single bit memory error, the chipset and memory will find and repair the error on the fly without you knowing that it happened. If you have a double bit memory error, it will detect and report it. Non-ECC, non-parity memory, on the other hand, has no error detection and correction capabilities.

Using ECC decreases your PC's performance by about 2%. Current technology DRAM is very stable and memory errors are rare, so unless you have a need for ECC, you are better served with non-ECC, non-parity memory

FB-DIMM (Fully Buffered DIMM) is a memory module technology targeted to servers developed recently created in order to increase the memory speed and the maximum memory capacity of a server. In this tutorial we will explain what are the main features of FB-DIMM modules and the difference between DIMM and FB-DIMM modules.

The main difference between FB-DIMM modules and regular DIMM modules is that on FB-DIMM the communication between the memory controller (chipset) and the module is serial, in the same way that occurs with PCI Express, while on standard DIMM modules this communication is parallel.

Using serial communication the number of wires needed to connect the chipset to the memory module is lower and also allows the creating of more memory channels, what increases memory performance. With FB-DIMM technology it is possible to have up to eight modules per channel and up to six memory channels. So this technology increases both memory capacity and speed.

Each extra memory channel that is added to the system increases the memory subsystem transfer rate. For example, if you use a single DDR2-533 channel, the memory transfer rate will be of 4,264 MB/s. If you use two DDR2-533 channels, as it happens on dual channel configuration available today, the memory transfer rate will be of 8,528 MB/s. With four channels, the memory transfer rate jumps to 17,056 MB/s, and so on.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/266

CAN I MIX AND MATCH?

BUFFERED AND UNBUFFERED
The buffered and unbuffered modules are not interchangeable and even use slightly different printed circuit boards (PCB's). If you try to install the wrong type, the first notch on the bottom of the module will be offset. You can determine if the module is buffered by looking at the leads next to the first notch. If the leads are evenly spaced, the module is buffered. If the leads are not evenly spaced (a larger PCB area next to the lead) the module is unbuffered.

ECC AND NON-ECC
Parity modules have an extra chip that detects if data was correctly read or written by the memory module, depending on the type of error. However, a parity module will not correct the error. ECC modules can detect double bit errors and correct single bit errors. Most motherboards that do not have an ECC function within the BIOS are still able to use a module with ECC, but the module will run in non-ECC mode. Keep in mind, there are some cases where the motherboard will not accept an ECC module, depending on the BIOS programming. The only sure-fire way to test this is to place the module in the motherboard and see if the BIOS will recognize the memory addition.

Source: http://www.datamemorysystems.com/faq.asp

HOW CAN IT WORK?
Highly dependant on the chipset of your motherboard and BIOS! If either one of them don't detect that you can use ECC RAM then you cannot use them. Or can use them but it the ECC function would be useless. ECC is much slower than the non-ECC. They are not as fast as the non-ECC ones but I think technology will cut or closer that gap in the near future.
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Wow..Nice info here.Thanks alot...
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post May 14 2007, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(kakkoii!! @ May 13 2007, 01:04 PM)
recently, DDR2 is substantially drop on its price..is this price are going to drop?until the DDR3 come out?

in my observation..all hardware price are dropping and never came up like processor, mamaboard,gc,etc..
but,RAM is fluctuate..regardless that it is ddr or ddr2,they will fluctuate for unknown reason..
as i know, ddr2 will rise when ddr3 is available and cheaper..just like ddr and sd previously..

i will upgrade my pc to AM2 set this august..can any1 answer my question?
is DDR2 is going down until the DDR3 conquer the market?
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Nobody would know how far the price of ram will drop and when will they rise again..Look at the price of DDR2, they just recently drop like crazy. Even DDR1 did not drop until like this when the DDR2 was released... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(joe_star @ May 15 2007, 12:31 PM)
Hi I'm building a system for my cousin with a core 2 duo e6320. Probably gonna oc it up to 2.4ghz or 2.6ghz. I need some recomendations on what ram to get? smile.gif My max budget is rm600. Thanks in advance smile.gif

EDIT: Heard that e6x20 series don't oc that well. Will I probably be able to hit the intended speeds?
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Plenty of choices at that budget range. If you intend to get high performance ram, i have seen plenty of Crucial Ballistix ram selling on bulk sale for below RM600 which is a 2Gb (1gb * 2) kit that does seem very worth..Infact, they are using D9 chipset as well which is great in OCing..
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QUOTE(joe_star @ May 15 2007, 02:16 PM)
Yeah I've seen them too and was thinking about em. So they can be considered worth the money huh?
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Below RM600 for 2GB kit and comes with D9 chipset..Of course..lol...But if you are not into OCing, of course saving some money by getting Value Ram is not bad either..
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QUOTE(joe_star @ May 15 2007, 04:47 PM)
Yea coz I think I'm not trying for that crazy an OC.....so would value ram do the trick? biggrin.gif
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If no OC, why not just get Value ram. Their performance is the same in the first place..lol..And for DDR2, you could easily get 1GB * 2 slightly above RM200 thumbup.gif ..
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post May 16 2007, 02:25 PM

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If you are not OCing, any value ram will do as long as it is DDR400 PC3200. There will be no noticeable difference..
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post May 18 2007, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(engineered @ May 18 2007, 04:29 PM)
wanna ask, is it any effect to ram perfomance for ram which using hynix chipset?like kingston.. coz i heard someone talked about it..
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Chipset will affect the OCing ability of a ram. If you are using a ram without any OCing, i guess all chipset should be the same...
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post May 19 2007, 05:41 PM

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Curious here..

Will there be any problem running single sided chipset against double sided one?
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post May 23 2007, 05:11 PM

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Try using CPU-Z :

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Go to the memory tab and you will have the info there..
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post May 25 2007, 09:38 AM

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Try entering bios and check it out from there.Not sure whether they have it or not though. Or other choice, give us your mobo details and name so we could check it for you...
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post May 25 2007, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(ckp212002 @ May 25 2007, 01:17 PM)
Akachester and Karom,

I have tried to check at BIOS, it does not show, i will try to get the mobo details, anyway i reli appreciate your help, i juz started working as a technical support, not much knowledge on these but thnk you very much!!!
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Then getting the mobo details would be great to identify the item.Can you check using PC Wizard?
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Getting this model of mobo can only lead us to see whats the best ram for you to use in the system. We are not able to really guess what rams you are using in the first place cause a mobo can use different ram. For example, if my mobo is stated to be able to run PC3200 DDR400 ram, that doesnt automatically mean i am running on that, cause i can also run something slower or faster like DDR333 or DDR550..

Therefore, by giving us the mobo details there, we can help you check out whats the best ram you could use and recommend you from there. Else, try checking at the ram itself.Give us a photo of it and if lucky, there might be a sticker attached that have the details needed..
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I think i remember seeing somewhere that they are saying Vista is compatible until 3GB only...NOt sure though..
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post Dec 13 2007, 09:42 AM

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Question here :

When i check out Asus website (or maybe any other motherboard brand in particular), they have a statement called DDR2 800Mhz Support and [B]Native DDR2 1066 support[/].

Now, whats the difference between the 2? This is because the same spec is listed for the same mobo using P35 chipset. Would having a DDR2 1066 ram would automatically be running at that speed if paired with the mobo?

Or it is like what DDR1 is..Listed to run at DDR500 but you will need to OC the ram into that speed. In this case, i needed to know a few situation :

- Would DDR2 1066 ram be running at the rated speed (1066) without any OCing in a mobo that was rated as "DDR2 1066 Native Support" or it will actually run at the max speed for DDR2 which is DDR2 800?

- I do not want to spend too much money in getting a DDR2 1066 ram which will not run at default speed when plug in. Thanks..
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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Dec 13 2007, 11:32 AM)
the speed can be setup at bios...
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Well, my point is, i do hope everything can be run at default and no changes or OC watsoever is needed. Anyway, i shall be getting the DDR2 800Mhz then..LOL..

One more thing, between the Normal Ballistix and Ballistix Tracer, is there any major temperature difference? People are saying the Tracer is hot but by how much when compared to the Ballistix?

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