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 No qualified ppl even fresh grad RM100k pa., Investment banking is so hard to hire

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fletcherwind
post Jun 23 2012, 10:06 PM

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This is the first time I hear CF jobs paying OT... meal allowance yes but official OT?


Added on June 23, 2012, 10:17 pm
QUOTE(IBank BeanBag @ Jun 23 2012, 04:14 PM)
I guess there are two ways to go. Good and bad.

I can offer u 6k with no bonus, but every night during peak period u work till 12am or 2am without OT if u cant finish ur work.

And I fire u the moment I feel ur performance is not up to mark bcos i canot adjust ur bonus. and if crisis come, u will appear first in the retrenchment list in our department.

I can sort that out with HR if that is what u want.

IB always build in 35% to 50% of total package is factual. Increment is crazily high is also factual.

good ppl get 30% to 40% for first few years. Normal one get 15%. real lousy 1 get 3% to 4%.

By end of year 3 increment / promotion, a lot ppl making close to 8k on basic already. so building in your average 50k bonus, it becomes almost 150k per year.


Added on June 23, 2012, 4:15 pmden u move to cimb and they top u another  1500 and give u a 12 months bonus. congrats... u r making 200+k by den.

4th year of u working
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IB bean bag.... The salary you talk about here doesn't seem to reflect the true market price. Although I hope I'm wrong too. You're talking about non-Tier 1 local CF.... end of third year, 8k basic sounds like it's on the high side. You mentioned "a lot of ppl making close to 8k on basic" so I have to be skeptical about this, star performers maybe. Most CF jobs reward employees from bonuses which can go up to more than 2 years but their basic salary should be lower than that based on local Tier 2 or Tier 3 levels.

Also, if you're making 8k per month basic, it wouldn't make much sense for you to move to CIMB for an extra 1500. Bonus is not guaranteed, unless they offer you a sign on bonus.



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fletcherwind
post Jun 23 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(IBank BeanBag @ Jun 23 2012, 10:43 PM)
On OT, u think they pay u RM10 meal allowance ah? From our side, the meal allowance is crazily high 1. It can exceed RM100 on some days. The only reason I can think of is by calling it meal allowance, it is not taxable. Your tax normally is 20+% at top tier, so u can see that giving u sumthing not taxable is how wonderful ya?
a lot of people means not one or two, means it is not rare. I do not know everyone's salary. I am talking about tier-1 local CF because I am tier-1 local ECM. And the people who I know their salaries, they were tier-1 CF at some point of their life (not CIMB).

If u will get into the ECM position in my bank, u r ready to be star performer. Because the whole department only has star performers. It is in our culture. It is up or out, that is why I am cautious about who to get because I do not want u to be jobless.

I am projecting 3,500 for the 1st year and apply 30% increment for the next 3 years. Your wage growth get slow down only if u hit 7,000 and even slower after u hit 12,000.

If you are damn good and I dun give u increment, other bank will poach u with 40% increment. The art of managing talent vs cost is I make it difficult for people to build a 20% premium on you.

End of first year = RM4,550 (if add 20% premium = RM5,460)
End of second year = RM5,915 (if add 20% premium = RM7,098)
End of third year = RM7,689 (if add 20% premium = RM9,227)

Your downside in absolute amount in each year is around 10% from the aforementioned figures as follows:

End of first year = RM4,095 (if add 20% premium = RM4,914)
End of second year = RM5,323 (if add 20% premium = RM6,388)
End of third year = RM6,920 (if add 20% premium = RM8,304)

The figures with 20% jump ship premium looks like what CIMB would pay if they really want you.

On your 2 years bonus, only CIMB does that. Not getting double digit from CIMB is a very unfortunate event for many ppl, bcos it means u r getting laid off if a retrenchment takes place. It is not guaranteed, but it is almost like given kinda thing.


Added on June 23, 2012, 10:52 pm

That is why you need to do ECM, but the ratio of ECM vs CF is so low in tier-1 local IB. Not every year we hire ppl for entry level.

Whole town only 50 ECM ppl i guess, good 1 only 20 at most.

ECM doesn't need to photostat that much because we don't do submission and best thing is we dun do submission to SC and Bursa.

Once you are good, you dun need to check line, check spacing, check spelling.

Only ppl who's english is not clean need to check line check spelling. That is why we hire ppl who have good english.

So that we both no need to check.
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I hope you're genuinely looking for people because many fresh grads here are looking for an IB related job. But, the things you say .... I can't help but to take it with quite a pinch of salt. For e.g. your company's variable >RM100 a day meal allowance...
fletcherwind
post Jun 23 2012, 11:42 PM

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No, I don't work for those.

Allowance and reimbursement is different. But anyway, good luck in looking for someone credible.
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post Jun 26 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Jun 26 2012, 08:30 AM)
Then that is their perception on an asean level. For all intent purposes, the outfits are deemed investment banks albeit for local coverage. Foreign banks ib outfits are ill placed to compete against the local banks... lacking the balance sheet and what I possibly guess support from bnm. I understand where you are coming from though , although it does sound condecending. Put it this way - its not uncommon for us in the local scene to approach the sg banks for really simple back to back products.
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Very very true. Within Msia, the foreign CF outfits are very small. Most of them assume advisory roles. They might have better skills but local deals are mostly going to the domestic houses. But having said that, if you could get into a foreign house, you should. 1) exposure is better, 2) brand name is better.

For equities research, the foreign houses are doing well because they could offer regional views better. The local banks are playing catchup on this. But CIMB, Maybank and some other smaller players are respected for their closer to ground coverage on individual companeis.

For treasury, fixed income and FX, foreign houses own a decent market share here.

For asset management, foreign houses dominate the regional and global mandates. Local houses are still favored for domestic mandates because they are closer to market.
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post Dec 12 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(yellowflashdude @ Dec 12 2012, 06:33 PM)
Hey, to anybody whom it may concern. Would you consider curtin. University as 'top'?I am doing foundation  with pathways leading to an engineering undergrad.

Also is there any chance I could do an internship seeing as I am in Miri, is there even an opportunity to do so?
Thank you.
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QUOTE(yellowflashdude @ Dec 12 2012, 08:16 PM)
Oh ok, that is some quality answer right there, lol.

Should I consider transferring to another uni, then?
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Re:Internship
Are you looking for an internship in investment banking or just any internships? If your intention is to join IB, then my next question would be why? If you're thinking only about the pay, then I can tell you that many other industries pay better now (job security taken into account).

RE:miri
I don't think there's any proper investment banking work in Miri. You might have sales people selling investment banking products but the front office functions will not be there.

Re:Uni ranking
You can find a lot of information about Universities online, including ranking tables. Usually, the more selective Universities are the better ones, i.e. higher entrance requirement. Graduating from a highly ranked university does open more doors when you are looking for jobs but it doesn't guarantee subsequent success. Just try your best to get into the best University you can afford.


fletcherwind
post Dec 13 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(M_century @ Dec 13 2012, 12:42 AM)
Your problem is not your uni choice. You don't really need to concern too much on Uni ranking. Just do well in your studies.

No. Miri has no IB. Unless Shin Yang corp open one there.
When you free. You can help put out open fire in Senadin. Go enjoy some good food in Lutong cafe.

Seriously, since you in engineering. Engineering degree useful to O&G I think can earn much more and easier to get job due to booming demand for such candidates. IB too crowded imo.
I'm not from Curtin but many of my friend graduate there now work with Shell, Petronas, Exxon Mobil with high pay.
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IB is getting very competitive now. Realistically speaking, Curtin isn't a name that is competitive enough to join the bigger names to be honest. Chances will be slim even if you apply with good grades. Rumors have painted too bright a picture for the industry.

I think O&G is a less crowded sector and people there do make good money - could be on par with IB's total salary package.
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post Aug 22 2013, 02:19 PM

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I must say that IB recruitment is getting really competitive these days. You'll be seeing CVs that you'll never see in the past in KL. The demand for jobs far exceed supply.

There are too many good graduates out there. At the same time, SG and HK are not hiring like how they used to in the past. So even if you do hold a degree from a top uni in the world, don't assume that a KL IB job is almost a guarantee. 2-3 years ago, that was still the case.
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post Jun 30 2015, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(carrer @ Jun 27 2015, 11:29 AM)
Dear beanbag ibank,

I am in no position to ask you to clarify things, but I would like to humbly ask you about certain things.

These are what I understood about investment banking (IB).
1. In an IB, there are technical analyses traders who trade varieties of securities.
2. In an IB, there are fundamental traders/value-investing traders who make analyses on securities/companies, etc.
3. In an IB, there are research analysts who work on mergers and acquisitions (which I believe it's called corporate finance).

Am I correct here?
The reason why I am asking is because I am a trader who does the number 1 and 2.

And which kind of people you are looking for?
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IB does a lot of things. prop trader? sell side/buy side research analyst? corp finance/dcm/ecm? A lot more roles within IB.

It's quite clear that beanbag is looking for corp fin related people.

I'm just surprised by how you do 1 and 2 in an IB. You either do 1 or you do 2.

Does treasury dept. still run prop equity book these days?

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