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 No qualified ppl even fresh grad RM100k pa., Investment banking is so hard to hire

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fino_abama
post Jun 16 2012, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(IBank BeanBag @ Jun 15 2012, 07:57 PM)
Good degree from ranked foreign university, specialising in economics, accounting, business administration, finance and engineering.

In-depth knowledge of accounting and finance; CFA candidates who have passed at least the CFA level 1 examination are preferred.

Analytical, self-driven, a team player and able to excel under pressure.

Diligent and meticulous. Willing to work up to 70-100 hours / week during peak period.

Excellent interpersonal, communication and writing skills.

Highly proficient in Microsoft Office (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) applications.


Added on June 15, 2012, 7:57 pmranked uni just give u free entry ticket only.... not ranked den bulldoze, gate crash, pitch through
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Is it so hard to find someone to do ECM?
fino_abama
post Aug 27 2012, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Aug 27 2012, 07:22 PM)
Are you kidding me? 70-100 hour / week is like 14-20hours per day if it is common 5 days work. Make me scare to for interview with an investment bank next week. rclxub.gif
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You're just going to interview for a web developer post, not CF or ECM. You don't have to think about 100 hours every week.
fino_abama
post Dec 14 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Dec 14 2012, 02:55 PM)
Eh, many years ago I apply to CIMB, they also reject my application.

Who say nobody want to apply?

But if you ask me now, I don't want..old oledi.


Added on December 14, 2012, 2:57 pm

Last time I apply to CIMB, they oso don't want me.

Who say got nobody want?

But you ask me now, I dont want lah, I too old and tired to take up this job.
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They are just being selective in hiring.
fino_abama
post Feb 11 2013, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 11 2013, 12:17 PM)
Can't believe the same job is still available after 8 months ... is it really that hard to find good candidate ?  lol

may I ask what's your opinion on the prospects of doing market/treasury risk in CB/IB?
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Market risk? Bright prospect with good pay as you gain experience but lower bonus as compared with IB, CF, ECM (random order).
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post Feb 11 2013, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 11 2013, 10:12 PM)
i wonder how the local bank works in term of their risk mgmt structure?  Would the market risk team deal with treasury (FX, IR) risk as well? I know some (CIMB) have separate risk analytic and modeling team ... that does sound really interesting but a few linkedin profiles I checked... people in that team are all phds from no less than ivy leagues or oxbridges...  =(
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At the bank I'm working at, the market risk setup is small (market risk monitoring & compliance section and market risk management section). They monitor the FX, IR, Bonds, Swaps, etc.

Are you from a Quant background? For risk modeling, banks would look for those with tertiary education in Math, Statistics, Financial Engineering, Quantitative Finance, etc., packed with programming knowledge like C++, Java, VBA.
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post Feb 12 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 12 2013, 01:49 AM)
Yep .. have a maths degree with comp science minor (so i can do Java, VBA, matlab and SAS)  and done some  masters course-works in financial engineering .. working towards CFA too .. but now it seems less relevant to me if I don't do ECM/CF .. almost all of level 2 are valuations related ... not the kind of arcane maths I'm looking for. haha.

i'm actually working in bank too... but it's at the consumer division doing mostly risk modeling .. still, it is more statistical than mathematical to my liking due to the volume consumer businesses are dealing with.

i wonder if msian banks do derivative products origination ? or that's the big boys' game ?
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That's good. It doesn't always have to be in ECM/CF, there's still DCM, Fixed Income Analysis. Everything is about valuation in CFA, the math level is not very high (no stochastic calculus or Ito's Lemma, PDEs) but the practical side of things is incorporated into the syllabus. If you want to have a chance to apply what you have learn about FE, best place is SG or HK.

Are you in consumer credit risk? Credit scorecard modeling?
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post Feb 12 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 12 2013, 10:47 AM)
yeah man. Spent countless excruciating hours studying stochastic and some more did my numerical differential methods programming and I have no chance to use them.. quite a waste. Yea... been thinking of trying my luck in SG/HK or even London ... but the market is really tight now.. i wonder when will the recovery truly comes.

yeap consumer portfolio credit. Dealing more with portfolio-wide stress testing, ICAAP and some BASEL modeling ... nowadays start doing on scorecard and decision tree modeling too. It is honestly not that boring too but the pay could have been better.. haha.

how about you ? Are you in market risk ?
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I'm in Non-Traded Market Risk (Interest Rate Risk & Liquidity Risk Management, ICAAP, Basel III LCR & NSFR, Stress Testing, Scenario Analysis). If you've been there for a few years, apply for internal transfer to market or operational risk (if this practice is allowed). You're still young (I suppose) so move around and get more exposure. As you get more experience, your salary will move up, don't worry.

SG, HK, London markets are always hiring for Quants (though not on a wide scale) but you must remember, there are many FE grads out there (in SG alone, you have NUS, NTU, SMU), not to mention on the other side of the world, you have CMU, Baruch, Columbia, etc churning out Financial Engineers every year. I don' t know where you studied yours, so no offense intended.




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post Feb 12 2013, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 12 2013, 12:02 PM)
I'm from NUS  sweat.gif    ... Did not have a first class - it was cut throat in SG market anyway... so I came back msia to look for promised land when the recruiter call me up. hahaha. like you said.. i'm waiting for the opportunity to do internal transfer back to SG/HK while I prove myself in msia. 1.5 years into the job already and still waiting ...

yours sound fun - my bank has a separate balance sheet mgmt team to deal with liquidity risk... but you seem to sapu everything under non-traded except price risk... sounds like lots of good learning opportunities there. Any thoughts on FRM or PRM ?
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FRM and PRM are good risk management qualifications IMO. FRM is more on the practical side (always up-to-date) while PRM is more math-based (but not hardcore level). I've done both, so that's telling from my experience. My current employer doesn't really recognize it (but my next one does brows.gif). The knowledge helps, though, that's how I'm able to move up so fast.

1.5 years is still okay, banks in SG pay high as well for people with credit risk experience. Don't give up, keep on applying.

My unit doesn't handle price risk (that's for the Traded Market Risk unit) and because of our lean structure, 1 person will be doing 4 people's work (Per hour pay still higher than McD's). Learning curve is steep but I enjoy it.
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post Feb 12 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Feb 12 2013, 09:13 AM)
Is cfa important to climb ladder?
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For equity research ladder, yes. For Private Equity, like I have told you before, a top school MBA gives you a better standing. It's expensive, I know, so for the mean time, you can do the CFA program or fully focus on gaining experience and performing in your job.
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post Feb 12 2013, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(IBank BeanBag @ Feb 12 2013, 05:24 AM)
We hired three juniors but now still expanding the team. Yes! Eventually, we sell, with facts and figure.
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Ah Bean,

If you still can't find any suitable candidates, I know a pool of people who are CFA Level 1, 2, and 3 exam candidates and those who have completed all the exams as well. If you are interested, I will put you through to my contact (not headhunter, just an education provider). FYI, I'm not earning any commission from this. Just helping out.
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post Feb 12 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:06 PM)
Wow, I see alot of risk people here.
Anyone doing credit risk?
Should share some exp here
I'm a credit risk analyst for large corp in a well known bank in SG.
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Corporate credit risk is also an interesting area. You do internal ratings modeling/CreditVAR/KMV? I'm planning to explore into Credit risk in a few years' time.
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post Feb 12 2013, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Feb 12 2013, 05:22 PM)
70 - 100 hours ? might as well sell ur body & soul to the bank for RM70k per year -.-
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1) 70 - 100 hours is only for the earlier years, doing all the grunt work. Once you move up, hours lessen.

2) The package wont stay constant at rm70k per year.
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post Feb 13 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(atlantiz0 @ Feb 13 2013, 10:58 AM)
thinking of taking up PRM after my CFA is done ... but not entirely sure if Risk is where I wanna do for the rest of my career tho - since I have the chance to rotate to other front offices as part of my MT program if I choose to .. what do you think ? Have you tried functions other than risk ?

But it's really incredible that you did both frm and prm in a short span of time - where to find discipline for that ? haha . I've heard somewhere that there are only a handful of PRM qualified candidates in Msia and most of the employers do not even know this qualification ... is that true?

like your comparison of McD salary. I think I'm underpaid with the hours I'm putting in .. hahaha .
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Advisable, cos upon passing level 3, you get exemptions from Paper 1 & 2 of the PRM program (Sadly I found out abt this later). If possible, rotate around, maybe you'll find something that you really like to do. I've been in risk when I joined and have never been in other functions. At this moment, want to expand my knowledge within market, credit and operational risk. It's been my goal to be a Chief Risk Officer. Of course would like to go into Treasury if possible (for a short stint).

There are, but not many employers who are actually aware of the existence of FRM and PRM. Not sure about your bank.


 

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